Low-phosphorus cat food

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Now Purina does make special for urinary tract, which I rarely see in
supermarkets:
Friskies Special Diet Ocean Whitefish and Tuna Dinner, 5.5 ounces, 31
kcal/oz. Special for urinary tract. 176.1 kcalories, note this is for
the 5.5 ounces, not the 3 ounce cans above. Urinary, low magnesium and
low pH, phosphorus is 0.61 DMB, 0.17% phosphorus? In previous
formulation Ocean Whitefish was superhigh phosphorus. Have to be
careful. This phosphorus is 0.61% which is nice and low, so perhaps
look for this but be careful. Many of the names sound the same, use the
same words, but are NOT the same.

I have been unable to find the above-mentioned "Friskies Special Diet
Ocean Whitefish and Tuna Dinner" on the Friskies website, or on Google
for that matter. They do list a "Friskies Special Diet Ocean Whitefish
Diet" for urinary tract. Is it possible that they have discontinued the
formulation with tuna? Do you have any information on the Special Diet
formulation without tuna?

Raff

"Steve Crane" wrote in message
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This may help - from Nestle Purina Veterinary Product Guide Fall 2005
All DMB values
Fancy Feast Fish & Shrimp Calcium 1.91% phos 1.56%
Fancy Feast Turkey & Giblet Feast Ca 1.74%, phos 1.53%
Fancy Feast Savory Salmon Feast Ca 1.45% phos 1.45%
Fancy Feast Ocean Whitefish & Tuna Feast Ca 1.68%, phos 1.64%
Friskies Prime Filets Turkey Dinner Ca 1.79%, phos 1.23%
Friskies Turkey & Cheese Dinner Ca 1.32%, phos 1.01%
Friskies Salmon Dinner Ca 1.28%, phos 1.28%
Friskies Sliced Chicken Dinner Ca 1.53%, phos 1.15%

Why did you only post the Fancy Feast and Friskies diets with the highest
phosphorus content? Some FF & Friskies diets are as low and even *lower* in
phosphorus than some Science Diets.


Fancy Feast Marinated Chicken Feast:.................0.09% (AF) - 0.40%
(DMB)
Fancy Feast Marinated Salmon Feast:..................0.13% (AF) - 0.59%
(DMB)
Fancy Feast Seafood Filets Tuna & Oceanfish in Aspic: 0.16% (AF) - 0.72%
(DMB)
Fancy Feast Minced Beef Feast:..........................0.17% (AF) - 0.77%
(DMB)
Fancy Feast Sliced Beef Feast:...........................0.17% (AF) - 0.77%
(DMB)
Fancy Feast Marinated Beef Feast:.....................0.18% (AF) - 0.81%
(DMB)
Fancy Feast Grilled Chicken Feast:.....................0.18% (AF) - 0.81%
(DMB)
Fancy Feast Grilled Tuna Feast:..........................0.18% (AF) - 0.81%
(DMB)
Fancy Feast Sliced Beef & Giblets Feast:......... .0.18% (AF) - 0.81% (DMB)
Fancy Feast Grilled Turkey Feast:......................0.21% (AF) - 0.95%
(DMB)
Fancy Feast Sliced Chicken Hearts & Liver Feast: 0.21% (AF) - 0.95% (DMB)

Friskies Fine Cuts With Real Chicken in
Gravy...............................0.15% (AF)-0.68% (DMB)
Friskies Fine Cuts With Real Fish With Ocean Whitefish & Tuna....0.19%
(AF)-0.86% (DMB)
Friskies Fine Cuts With Tuna In
Sauce...........................................0. 19% (AF))-0.86% (DMB)
Friskies Prime Filets With Chicken In
Gravy...................................0.17% (AF)- 0.77% (DMB)
Friskies Seared Filets With
Salmon............................................ ....0.19% (AF))-0.86%
(DMB)
Friskies Seared Filets With Turkey &
Giblets..................................0.15% (AF))-0.68% (DMB)
Friskies Shredded Chicken & Salmon Dinner in Gravy....................0.18%
(AF) - 0.81% (DMB)
Friskies Sliced Gourmet
Grill............................................. .............0.18% (AF) -
0.81% (DMB)
Friskies Special Diet Sliced Chicken In
Gravy................................0.17% (AF)- 0.77% (DMB)

"Raff" wrote in message
...
In article . com,

I have been unable to find the above-mentioned "Friskies Special Diet
Ocean Whitefish and Tuna Dinner" on the Friskies website, or on Google
for that matter. They do list a "Friskies Special Diet Ocean Whitefish
Diet" for urinary tract.

Friskies Special Diet Ocean Whitefish Diet 0.26% (AF) 1.18% DMB)


Do you have any information on the Special Diet
formulation without tuna?

This is the only Special Diet with Ocean Whitefish that N/P lists in their
nutritional profiles.

Phil

Phil asked-

Why did you only post the Fancy Feast
and Friskies diets with the highest
phosphorus content?

Because he is trying to promote Science Diet!


---MIKE---
In the White Mountains of New Hampshire
(44° 15' N - Elevation 1580')

Phil P. wrote:
"Steve Crane" wrote in message
oups.com...

This may help - from Nestle Purina Veterinary Product Guide Fall 2005
All DMB values
Fancy Feast Fish & Shrimp Calcium 1.91% phos 1.56%
Fancy Feast Turkey & Giblet Feast Ca 1.74%, phos 1.53%
Fancy Feast Savory Salmon Feast Ca 1.45% phos 1.45%
Fancy Feast Ocean Whitefish & Tuna Feast Ca 1.68%, phos 1.64%
Friskies Prime Filets Turkey Dinner Ca 1.79%, phos 1.23%
Friskies Turkey & Cheese Dinner Ca 1.32%, phos 1.01%
Friskies Salmon Dinner Ca 1.28%, phos 1.28%
Friskies Sliced Chicken Dinner Ca 1.53%, phos 1.15%

Why did you only post the Fancy Feast and Friskies diets with the highest
phosphorus content? Some FF & Friskies diets are as low and even *lower* in
phosphorus than some Science Diets.


Because those are the only ones Purina lists in the veterinary product
guide - you'd have to ask them why they only put those products in the
guide. I did not pick and choose but listed every one of the foods that
Purina puts in the veterinary product guide book.

Phil P. wrote:
"Raff" wrote in message
...
In article . com,

I have been unable to find the above-mentioned "Friskies Special Diet
Ocean Whitefish and Tuna Dinner" on the Friskies website, or on Google
for that matter. They do list a "Friskies Special Diet Ocean Whitefish
Diet" for urinary tract.

Friskies Special Diet Ocean Whitefish Diet 0.26% (AF) 1.18% DMB)


Do you have any information on the Special Diet
formulation without tuna?

This is the only Special Diet with Ocean Whitefish that N/P lists in their
nutritional profiles.

Phil

Thanks for the update. I got that info I posted from them. Apparently
it's now way off base. I actually saw that item once and purchased it.

(I put both lists in ascending values)

Phil P. wrote:
This may help - from Nestle Purina Veterinary Product Guide Fall 2005
All DMB values
Fancy Feast Marinated Chicken Feast:.................0.09% (AF) -
0.40%(DMB)
Fancy Feast Marinated Salmon Feast:..................0.13% (AF) -
0.59%(DMB)
Fancy Feast Seafood Filets Tuna & Oceanfish in Aspic: 0.16% (AF) -
0.72%(DMB)
Fancy Feast Minced Beef Feast:..........................0.17% (AF) -
0.77%(DMB)
Fancy Feast Sliced Beef Feast:...........................0.17% (AF) -
0.77%(DMB)
Fancy Feast Marinated Beef Feast:.....................0.18% (AF) -
0.81%(DMB)
Fancy Feast Grilled Chicken Feast:.....................0.18% (AF) -
0.81%(DMB)
Fancy Feast Grilled Tuna Feast:..........................0.18% (AF) -
0.81%(DMB)
Fancy Feast Sliced Beef & Giblets Feast:......... .0.18% (AF) - 0.81%
(DMB)
Fancy Feast Grilled Turkey Feast:......................0.21% (AF) -
0.95%(DMB)
Fancy Feast Sliced Chicken Hearts & Liver Feast: 0.21% (AF) - 0.95%
(DMB)

Friskies Fine Cuts With Real Chicken in Gravy...................0.15%
(AF)-0.68% (DMB)
Friskies Seared Filets With Turkey & Giblets......................0.15%
(AF))-0.68% (DMB)
Friskies Special Diet Sliced Chicken In Gravy.....................0.17%
(AF)- 0.77% (DMB)
Friskies Prime Filets With Chicken In
Gravy........................0.17% (AF)- 0.77% (DMB)
Friskies Shredded Chicken & Salmon Dinner in Gravy........0.18%(AF) -
0.81% (DMB)
Friskies Sliced Gourmet
Grill............................................. ...0.18% (AF) -0.81%
(DMB)
Friskies Fine Cuts With Real Fish With Ocean Whitefish &
Tuna..0.19%(AF)-0.86%
Friskies Fine Cuts With Tuna In
Sauce.................................0.19% (AF))-0.86% (DMB)
Friskies Seared Filets With
Salmon.......................................0.19% (AF))-0.86%(DMB)

This is great information. I tried to get this from Purina. I gave up
after getting three different values for the same product. It's very
uneven the quality of information. It's much better if this is
published. It's kind of sad that this ordinary information is only
available as a veterinary resource. Why not public information? After
all, it's only the product listing.

I'm especially put off that the values I was given over the phone for:
UPC Bar Code, 5 0000 42524, Friskies Special Diet Sliced Chicken, 5.5
ounce can, Special diet banner - well it does not even exist any more?
I guess I cannot depend on Purina for any accurate information unless
it is published in some kind of formal representation. Thanks for
putting this very basic information out there for us.

Friskies Special Diet Ocean Whitefish Diet 0.26% (AF) 1.18% (DMB). In
my notes I had this as 1.09% (DMB) in a previous formuation.

wrote:
(I put both lists in ascending values)
This is great information. I tried to get this from Purina. I gave up
after getting three different values for the same product. It's very
uneven the quality of information. It's much better if this is
published. It's kind of sad that this ordinary information is only
available as a veterinary resource. Why not public information? After
all, it's only the product listing.

Actually I doubt the information is all that good. Unless you can match
the analyticals to the same manufacturing location and the same lot of
pet food. Any expectation that nutrient values in grocery store foods
will be the same from one lot to another is pretty much wishful
thinking. That is not the goal - or even a last place sub-goal of foods
manufactured for this market channel. It shouldn't be at all surprising
that you would get three or four or different sets of values. It would
not surprise me at all to find an analysis of 3 different lots of
precisely the same food that have a variation in nutrients by more than
50% from the highest to the lowest.

Steve Crane wrote:

wrote:
(I put both lists in ascending values)
This is great information. I tried to get this from Purina. I gave up
after getting three different values for the same product. It's very
uneven the quality of information. It's much better if this is
published. It's kind of sad that this ordinary information is only
available as a veterinary resource. Why not public information? After
all, it's only the product listing.

Actually I doubt the information is all that good. Unless you can match
the analyticals to the same manufacturing location and the same lot of
pet food. Any expectation that nutrient values in grocery store foods
will be the same from one lot to another is pretty much wishful
thinking. That is not the goal - or even a last place sub-goal of foods
manufactured for this market channel. It shouldn't be at all surprising
that you would get three or four or different sets of values. It would
not surprise me at all to find an analysis of 3 different lots of
precisely the same food that have a variation in nutrients by more than
50% from the highest to the lowest.

Now I feel much better about the young sounding women [only women]
answering the phones at Purina/Nestles. I knew something was very wrong
when I got different values for the same product Fancy Feast can. And
if I asked repeatedly, well, sometimes I got the same answer and
sometimes not. So it's not their fault but the lack or indifference to
what are the phosphorus levels. Since most phosphorus levels in Fancy
Feast, I mean 55 out of 60 products, to guess roughly, aare too high,
more than 1%, for cat food, it was wishful thinking to think I could
find a relatively low phosphorus level Fancy Feast. It's possible but
now you planted a big seed of doubt coupled with my previous experience
with Purina/Nestles.

It's also funny that it was very difficult to even get the phosphorus
levels. They mail that out only in hard copy. So it's not available
digitized anywhere. If I ask on the phone, I will sometimes get
phosphorus values, sometimes not. But I had to wait for snail mail.
Why? Why not published anywhere? It's published on the vet site part of
Purina/Nestles. So is it really solid there? Phil P. was also to
reference this but I certainly cannot.

An example of NO information was the recent formulation for the "new"
Fancy Feast Marinated Morsel Salmon Feast in Gravy, which was
previously Marinated Chicken/Salmon Feast in Savory Juices.

1. When I first asked about the above, I was told, NO PHOSPHORUS levels
to be had. Why not? How can you put a product on the supermarket
shelves and not be able to tell me the amount of phosphorus? Maybe they
just do not care?

2. Then I was given different numbers from the old version of this food
when I kept asking for phosphorus level for the new Marinated Morsels.

3. Then I was told the phosphorus levels for the new version was the
same as the old version. The only difference was they made the food
smaller or something in bite sizes. But what about putting this in
writing? I still do not see this in writing anywhere. Not for the new
product.

But your explanation now makes sense of all of this. There is no way to
know for sure and with accuracy what is in the foods. Roughly I can
estimate phosphorus levels by the type of protein but that is way off
base or can be. I missed their lack of precision and just chalked it up
to the talking heads not knowing their products. Now I see no one knows
what's inside since they lack those controls for the mass supermarket.
Bad news.

I guess I'll buy more of Science Diet, Steve

Phil P. wrote:
"Steve Crane" wrote in message
oups.com...

This may help - from Nestle Purina Veterinary Product Guide Fall 2005

I just registered at Purina using my university affiliation. But I
cannot find the above anywhere on the site. I searched for it. Is there
yet a super secret part of the Purina Vet site that I have to look for?