When An Animal in Your Care is suffering, You don't SIT THERE and do NOTHING

"Matthew" wrote

The average person will not give up their luxuries to do what
needs to be done people are selfish. In my experience I have heard so
many people with pets that tell me oh I have to wait to do this with their
pet. But hey lets light up that cig or go out to eat or drink that beer.
This is been going on here a lot longer than this past bad economy spell.

Oh before anything is said. I know what it is to live with out but the
furballs always have had always will come first and I found a way to make
sure they were taken care of no matter what.

Nicely said, Matthew. I make no apologies for my tone or the way I say
anything. It's the only way I can tell people who are not taking care of
their cats to take the **** care of them. I shouldn't HAVE to say it. The
economy does not matter. You find a way to take care of what is important.

On Mar 4, 12:33*pm, "cybercat" wrote:

Nicely said, Matthew. I make no apologies for my tone or the way I say
anything. It's the only way I can tell people who are not taking care of
their cats to take the **** care of them. I shouldn't HAVE to say it. The
economy does not matter. You find a way to take care of what is important..

Res ipsa loquitor.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

Magic Mood Jeep wrote:

Don't blame Reagan - he brought this country OUT of a recession!

I'm wondering how old you are.

Despite Republican mythology in intervening years, Reagan's first
administration featured a major recession. Reagan proceeded to enormously
multiply the national debt, and was responsible for such innovations as
classifying ketchup as a vegetable in school llunches for poor children.

The term "voodoo economics" was coined by Bush the elder to describe
Reagan's policies.

One of his better moments.

"Janet" wrote in message
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Magic Mood Jeep wrote:

Don't blame Reagan - he brought this country OUT of a recession!

I'm wondering how old you are.


She is old enough to know better, if she had a brain that worked better.

"cybercat" wrote in message
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Get it? You don't. You take them to the ****ing vet. You FIND the money.
If you're posting here, I know you're paying for Internet, probably
highspeed,and that you probably have a ****ing computer you could hock.

You do not "wait and see" and go buy yourself this week's groceries. You
do not post to a cat group because the gesture makes you feel better while
doing nothing for the cat, or dog, or rat, or whatever.

You get off you sorry, elderly, stupid, poor, apathetic, depressed,
whatever ASS because this creature cannot take care of itself and when you
took it on, getting it medical care was part of the promise.

Any questions, bitches?

Hear hear!
You should repost this once a month or so.

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,
" wrote:

On Mar 4, 12:33*pm, "cybercat" wrote:

Nicely said, Matthew. I make no apologies for my tone or the way I say
anything. It's the only way I can tell people who are not taking care of
their cats to take the **** care of them. I shouldn't HAVE to say it. The
economy does not matter. You find a way to take care of what is important.

Res ipsa loquitor.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA


Peter, there are some people who react emotionally to their
frustrations of their perceivced lack in others. It is frustrating to
see people own pets who don't have the money to take care of them
properly. However, what is the alternative for those who had the money,
but lost most of it? Is it to have those animals put to sleep, left on
the street or thrown to a shelter that is already overcrowded, if not
closing because there is no more money coming in? I'd certainly love an
anser because I'm one of them.

The times affect the nature of selfishness. For those who have money,
nothing changes.... for the rest of us middle class a@@holes as,
cybercat calls us, what are we supposed to do? I've been out of work
for almost a year and my IRA has dwindled by over 50% (thank you
Dubya). It wasn't much to begin with, but it's all I have and there
ain't much left now.

Our cats are our babies too. But do we spend the money on the older cat
(sometimes thousands) and lose our homes so the animals have no place
to live, or give them away to be put to sleep, or forego groceries for
the next 3 months, except for the animals, of course, or... ? Well, I
hear ranting but I don't hear solutions. There are no easy answers
cybercat. I feel your frustration. Can you feel mine? Or are you so
caught up in your anger that you can't see the forest for the trees?

As Peter said, Res ipsa loquitor... the thing (or in this case, our
time) speaks for itself.

"Clara Semps" wrote in message
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,
" wrote:

On Mar 4, 12:33 pm, "cybercat" wrote:

Nicely said, Matthew. I make no apologies for my tone or the way I say
anything. It's the only way I can tell people who are not taking care
of
their cats to take the **** care of them. I shouldn't HAVE to say it.
The
economy does not matter. You find a way to take care of what is
important.

Res ipsa loquitor.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA


Peter, there are some people who react emotionally to their
frustrations of their perceivced lack in others. It is frustrating to
see people own pets who don't have the money to take care of them
properly. However, what is the alternative for those who had the money,
but lost most of it? Is it to have those animals put to sleep, left on
the street or thrown to a shelter that is already overcrowded, if not
closing because there is no more money coming in? I'd certainly love an
anser because I'm one of them.

The times affect the nature of selfishness. For those who have money,
nothing changes.... for the rest of us middle class a@@holes as,
cybercat calls us, what are we supposed to do? I've been out of work
for almost a year and my IRA has dwindled by over 50% (thank you
Dubya).

Oh, yeah. You have an IRA, but you cannot afford to take your cats to the
vet.

On Mar 5, 4:44*pm, Clara Semps wrote:
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Our cats are our babies too. But do we spend the money on the older cat
(sometimes thousands) and lose our homes so the animals have no place
to live, or give them away to be put to sleep, or forego groceries for
the next 3 months, except for the animals, of course, or... ? Well, I
hear ranting but I don't hear solutions. There are no easy answers
cybercat. I feel your frustration. Can you feel mine? Or are you so
caught up in your anger that you can't see the forest for the trees?

As Peter said, Res ipsa loquitor... the thing (or in this case, our
time) speaks for itself.

Clara:

There is no reasoning with a self-righteous bigot with severely
limited life-experience. What Cyber expresses here has not one tiny
thing at all to do with cats, their care and feeding, their habits and
needs, but entirely to do with Cyber's sad, unhappy, frustrated life.
Cats are simply the means by which Cyber visits her frustrations on
the world (at least as she perceives it here in this NG) so that she
is absolved of having to actually do something about them. In this
singular venue, she remains 'superior' to the rest of the great
unwashed and is permitted to visit judgment upon them without
consequence.

Let it rest. She won't change and by engaging her all you do is reduce
your happiness.

As to what to do with the economy - want a scary fact? At this point,
"personal debt" (mortgages, credit-cards, car loans, personal loans,
home-equity loans and so forth) equal or exceed the GDP. The last time
that this was true was in 1929. From about 1950 to about 2000, it
averaged between 40 and 60% of GDP.

Put very simply, this means that the banks have lent TOO MUCH money,
not that they are not lending enough.

It took 10 full years to get out of the last depression - and there is
some very real support for the belief that it took the War to do so.

Are you scared yet?

Things I can see from my front door (and are partially related to the
purpose of this group): The cat (as we are told by our neighbors) that
used to belong to the previous owners of this house is now a stray.
This house was empty for 2.5 years until we purchased it in March of
2008 from a bank after a foreclosure. We moved in with our two cats
and two dogs - now this stray just since the beginning of January has
taken to visiting our back porch - but won't come inside, won't allow
itself to be touched but _will_ eat. We are feeding it as are several
of our neighbors. Our two cats tolerate it just fine, the dog ignores
it.

Our former next door neighbor recently sold their house because as it
was their single largest asset, despite their relative youth (mid-60s)
and good health they decided they had to move into a senior life-care
community while they still had access to the cash to do so - the
proceeds of the sale of their house. They had two pets one which they
by pure blind luck placed with their buyer as their community did not
allow more than one pet. They went from a 3800 square foot house on
1/3 acre built in 1921 to a 1,100 square foot two-bedroom apartment on
the sixth floor of a midrise.

A neighbor down the block purchased a fixer-upper - and has had to
stop all work on it. He is an architect and his firm is dead in the
water. As an aside to that, they had to give up their dog as it is
diabetic with complications and they simply could not afford the
medications to keep it alive. THAT dog got placed with the vet who
lives down the block the other way as a 'mitzvah'. She, at least, is
still busy.

All this in an area spanned by twenty (20) houses.

We do the best we can, and we have to remember the words of Mr.
Franklin:

We must all hang together or assuredly we shall all hang separately.

Cyber is bent on hanging separately. Let her do so. The rest of us
will do the best we can and help as we can where we can. We are
getting the full measure of the ancient Chinese Blessing/Curse: May
you live in interesting times and may all your wishes come true.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

wrote:
On Mar 5, 4:44 pm, Clara Semps wrote:
In article

Our cats are our babies too. But do we spend the money on the older cat
(sometimes thousands) and lose our homes so the animals have no place
to live, or give them away to be put to sleep, or forego groceries for
the next 3 months, except for the animals, of course, or... ? Well, I
hear ranting but I don't hear solutions. There are no easy answers
cybercat. I feel your frustration. Can you feel mine? Or are you so
caught up in your anger that you can't see the forest for the trees?

As Peter said, Res ipsa loquitor... the thing (or in this case, our
time) speaks for itself.

Clara:

There is no reasoning with a self-righteous bigot with severely
limited life-experience. What Cyber expresses here has not one tiny
thing at all to do with cats, their care and feeding, their habits and
needs, but entirely to do with Cyber's sad, unhappy, frustrated life.
Cats are simply the means by which Cyber visits her frustrations on
the world (at least as she perceives it here in this NG) so that she
is absolved of having to actually do something about them. In this
singular venue, she remains 'superior' to the rest of the great
unwashed and is permitted to visit judgment upon them without
consequence.

Let it rest. She won't change and by engaging her all you do is reduce
your happiness.

As to what to do with the economy - want a scary fact? At this point,
"personal debt" (mortgages, credit-cards, car loans, personal loans,
home-equity loans and so forth) equal or exceed the GDP. The last time
that this was true was in 1929. From about 1950 to about 2000, it
averaged between 40 and 60% of GDP.

Put very simply, this means that the banks have lent TOO MUCH money,
not that they are not lending enough.

It took 10 full years to get out of the last depression - and there is
some very real support for the belief that it took the War to do so.

Are you scared yet?

Things I can see from my front door (and are partially related to the
purpose of this group): The cat (as we are told by our neighbors) that
used to belong to the previous owners of this house is now a stray.
This house was empty for 2.5 years until we purchased it in March of
2008 from a bank after a foreclosure. We moved in with our two cats
and two dogs - now this stray just since the beginning of January has
taken to visiting our back porch - but won't come inside, won't allow
itself to be touched but _will_ eat. We are feeding it as are several
of our neighbors. Our two cats tolerate it just fine, the dog ignores
it.

Our former next door neighbor recently sold their house because as it
was their single largest asset, despite their relative youth (mid-60s)
and good health they decided they had to move into a senior life-care
community while they still had access to the cash to do so - the
proceeds of the sale of their house. They had two pets one which they
by pure blind luck placed with their buyer as their community did not
allow more than one pet. They went from a 3800 square foot house on
1/3 acre built in 1921 to a 1,100 square foot two-bedroom apartment on
the sixth floor of a midrise.

A neighbor down the block purchased a fixer-upper - and has had to
stop all work on it. He is an architect and his firm is dead in the
water. As an aside to that, they had to give up their dog as it is
diabetic with complications and they simply could not afford the
medications to keep it alive. THAT dog got placed with the vet who
lives down the block the other way as a 'mitzvah'. She, at least, is
still busy.

All this in an area spanned by twenty (20) houses.

We do the best we can, and we have to remember the words of Mr.
Franklin:

We must all hang together or assuredly we shall all hang separately.

Cyber is bent on hanging separately. Let her do so. The rest of us
will do the best we can and help as we can where we can. We are
getting the full measure of the ancient Chinese Blessing/Curse: May
you live in interesting times and may all your wishes come true.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA


Thanks for the perspective. Well put.

wrote
Clara Semps wrote

the next 3 months, except for the animals, of course, or... ? Well, I
hear ranting but I don't hear solutions. There are no easy answers
cybercat. I feel your frustration. Can you feel mine? Or are you so
caught up in your anger that you can't see the forest for the trees?

Clara:

Cats are simply the means by which Cyber visits her frustrations on
the world (at least as she perceives it here in this NG) so that she
is absolved of having to actually do something about them. In this
singular venue, she remains 'superior' to the rest of the great
unwashed and is permitted to visit judgment upon them without
consequence.

Harshly put but possibly true.

Let it rest. She won't change and by engaging her all you do is reduce
your happiness.

Definately true.

Things I can see from my front door (and are partially related to the
purpose of this group): The cat (as we are told by our neighbors) that

Snip but yes.

Here, we have had forclosures but not quite as bad but it is getting scarey
out there and it doesnt help that I am looking for work again for the first
time in 26 years (Navy, time to move on) and all the jobs in my catagory
have dried up. People who were able to get the 50-70K jobs are now settling
for my 35K or so and since they have engineering degrees and such, I can not
compete.

I knowingly took on 2 rescue pets, one with lifelong heart problems and now
am struggling to maintain the income needed to keep his insurance and vet
needs met in medicines. Thank the lord I had money when he was finally well
enough to have him 'fixed' as it was a specialist job (turned down 4 times
before) and cost me 400$ (after insurance, full bill was closer to 1200$).
SPCA wouldnt touch him but the clinic lined him up with the cardio
specialist who doesnt normally do neutering jobs but was deemed by all
concerned to be a neccessity if he was to be neutered at all. They only did
it at last because the heart strain of the ladies in season around him
outweighed the risk of the surgery.

At this stage of time, most people are already tapping what little savings
they may have and it's gonna get worse before it gets better. I'm looking
hard at what is essential here and looking for cost cutting since I'm about
to take a 60% pay cut if i do not find a job, and if all I can turn up is
18K a year in work, thats still gonna be 15K less than we are used to.

I shifted some things and may go with a landline phone and a 'prepaid cell'
as that's gonna be less in my area. I need the landline for job hunting and
can get one for 25$ a month here. Prepaid cell can be as low as 15$ for a
net savings of 50$ a month on current setup. Most folks can save alot on
the food bill but I've always been a careful shopper there so not much more
to be done.