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"Mary" wrote in message
If you limited pet ownership to people who can afford catastrophic health care for their pet, then you'd have an awful lot of homeless dogs and cats, don't you think? So what is the answer? That it is okay to deny your animal that you allegedly love the care they need just because you need the money for something else? Isn't that what you are after here? Some rationalization that will allow you to neglect the animal? No, just an answer to the question. |
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"Jim Lawton" wrote in message ... In the UK we have this organisation - do you not in the states? http://www.pdsa.org.uk maybe it's time for someone to set it up, if not ... I was really impressed when I saw that when I lived there. We don't have anything like it in New Zealand either. |
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On 2005-02-14, Glarb penned:
For a family member I would sacrifice everything, including my own life. There is a strict limit on the cat, however. Come on people, get real. Well, in my "real" world, I would put more money into keeping Oscar healthy than I would into some of my relatives. The reality is, I'm closer to my cat than I am to many of my relatives. The other reality is, Oscar can't get a job and make money, and if she shows up at the vet's with a life-threatening illness, the vet doesn't have to treat her. I am the only means by which Oscar can stay healthy. Maybe it sounds cold, but everyone has to make judgements as to where they spend their money. That being said, I would do a lot to help out my friends and close relatives. I don't know about my own life, though. I'm pretty addicted to living. Maybe if I had children, I'd feel that way. -- monique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* |
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On 2005-02-14, Mary penned:
"-L." wrote in message oups.com... It's sad that most ngs can't discuss ethics and things like that without it resorting to a flame-fest, and immaturity. I love these types of discussions. I think there is a lot of potential for learning. What is sad is that you seem to think you need to control the way things are discussed AND what is discussed, Lynnie. Grow a backbone and just discuss what you want to the way you want to, and stop whining about those who are already doing it. I agree with L. here. While flaming is a nice temporary release, actual discussion is much better for sharing information and possibly changing someone's mind. You really do catch more flies with honey. The problem is, when people are flaming, there are people with interesting and valuable viewpoints who don't feel like subjecting themselves to that sort of crap, and so we never hear from them. And then there's me; the "flamewars" on this NG ain't nuthin compared to some of the flamewars I've seen and perpetrated in my self-centered youth. And I've yet to find any scars, although I do wish I could take back the time I wasted composing the posts =P -- monique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* |
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"Mary" wrote in message
.com... This is not what Lyn means, KellyH. She is a control freak, and wants only a certain style of discussion. You are much more of a free speech person--with a lot more backbone than Lyn. You can actually admit it when you're wrong, and you can see others' sides. I'm not going to get in between this whatever it is between you and Lyn. I like Lyn and I consider her a friend. Mary, even though you and I had disagreements in the past, I like you too. Lyn has been there for me when I was going through some very rough times in other aspects of my life. I must have missed whatever made you think she is a control freak, because I haven't seen it. No, I'm not going to Google it, I couldn't care less at this point. Let's move on. -- -Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net "Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG |
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"-L." wrote in message oups.com... Phil P. wrote: "Mary" wrote in message .com... "Glarb" wrote: I know this makes me a bad person, but come on y'all, what is your true limit on such matters? What the hell is wrong with you? Nothing! That's perfectly normal behavior for an asshole. So are you saying you have no limit, Phil? Of course I have a limit! I just don't know what it is because I've never reached it and I seriously doubt I ever will. Although I can say with absolute certainty that as long as the cat keeps fighting, I'll keep writing. . Would you go without medication? Don't need any... Although I could use a couple of aspirins sometimes after reading some of the posts is this group... Food? No thanks. I just had lunch.. Lose your house? No. Its right where I left it. I'm not being snarky - just curious. I honestly can't say how much I'd spend to save my cats' lives or give them a good quality of life if any of them had a terminal disease. I've never really thought about it because I couldn't ever think about it. I don't consider my cats equal with my child. I hope your kid doesn't resent your cats because of that. They are a family member - a beloved companion - but NOT equal to my child. Don't ever tell your kid that! It would really bum him out. Practicality and cost-to-benefit ratio comes into play. It is situation-dependant. I have seen far too many people throw far too much money at a hopeless situation, and vets, by and large, will allow them to do so. In the end, the animal suffers far longer than it should have. And there is absolutely *no* compassion in that. I would not put a cat through a battery of invasive tests or treatments if the results wouldn't have a positive impact on the outcome or her quality of life. Many people anthropomorphize and don't understand the relentless spirit and resiliency of the cat. I'm not so quick to let a cat go as some people may be because I've seen what cats will endure to survive in the wild. Cats aren't quitters - and I'll be damned if I'll ever quit on a cat who has even just a remote chance of surviving - regardless of what it takes or costs. I also recognize that many people with cats truly cannot afford adequate vet care. Yes, they shouldn't have cats if they cannot afford them, but many people do. They do the best with what they have. Most of the time the people *can* afford vet care - its just a matter of priorities and the willingness to make sacrifices for an indivudual who has entrusted you with her life. That's a responsibility and obligation I don't take lightly. Phil. |
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"Monique Y. Mudama" wrote in message ... On 2005-02-14, Mary penned: "-L." wrote in message oups.com... It's sad that most ngs can't discuss ethics and things like that without it resorting to a flame-fest, and immaturity. I love these types of discussions. I think there is a lot of potential for learning. What is sad is that you seem to think you need to control the way things are discussed AND what is discussed, Lynnie. Grow a backbone and just discuss what you want to the way you want to, and stop whining about those who are already doing it. I agree with L. here. While flaming is a nice temporary release, actual discussion is much better for sharing information and possibly changing someone's mind. You really do catch more flies with honey. The problem is, when people are flaming, there are people with interesting and valuable viewpoints who don't feel like subjecting themselves to that sort of crap, and so we never hear from them. And then there's me; the "flamewars" on this NG ain't nuthin compared to some of the flamewars I've seen and perpetrated in my self-centered youth. And I've yet to find any scars, although I do wish I could take back the time I wasted composing the posts =P -- The trouble may lie in one's definition of "flaming." In any case, I don't pull any punches in real life and I sure as hell will not do it here. I'm not out to persuade. I am merely having my say. |
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"KellyH" wrote in message ... "Mary" wrote in message .com... This is not what Lyn means, KellyH. She is a control freak, and wants only a certain style of discussion. You are much more of a free speech person--with a lot more backbone than Lyn. You can actually admit it when you're wrong, and you can see others' sides. I'm not going to get in between this whatever it is between you and Lyn. I like Lyn and I consider her a friend. Mary, even though you and I had disagreements in the past, I like you too. Lyn has been there for me when I was going through some very rough times in other aspects of my life. I must have missed whatever made you think she is a control freak, because I haven't seen it. No, I'm not going to Google it, I couldn't care less at this point. Let's move on. -- What, me Google? I don't recall why or when Lynnie decided to get on my case, and I don't care. She's a wussified censor, is why I call her a control freak. She editorializes on the style of posts as well as the content, and whines if they do not meet her standards. P. S. I like you too. |
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"Phil P." wrote in message k.net... "-L." wrote in message oups.com... Phil P. wrote: "Mary" wrote in message .com... "Glarb" wrote: I know this makes me a bad person, but come on y'all, what is your true limit on such matters? What the hell is wrong with you? Nothing! That's perfectly normal behavior for an asshole. So are you saying you have no limit, Phil? Of course I have a limit! I just don't know what it is because I've never reached it and I seriously doubt I ever will. Although I can say with absolute certainty that as long as the cat keeps fighting, I'll keep writing. . Would you go without medication? Don't need any... Although I could use a couple of aspirins sometimes after reading some of the posts is this group... Food? No thanks. I just had lunch.. Lose your house? No. Its right where I left it. I'm not being snarky - just curious. I honestly can't say how much I'd spend to save my cats' lives or give them a good quality of life if any of them had a terminal disease. I've never really thought about it because I couldn't ever think about it. I don't consider my cats equal with my child. I hope your kid doesn't resent your cats because of that. They are a family member - a beloved companion - but NOT equal to my child. Don't ever tell your kid that! It would really bum him out. Practicality and cost-to-benefit ratio comes into play. It is situation-dependant. I have seen far too many people throw far too much money at a hopeless situation, and vets, by and large, will allow them to do so. In the end, the animal suffers far longer than it should have. And there is absolutely *no* compassion in that. I would not put a cat through a battery of invasive tests or treatments if the results wouldn't have a positive impact on the outcome or her quality of life. Many people anthropomorphize and don't understand the relentless spirit and resiliency of the cat. I'm not so quick to let a cat go as some people may be because I've seen what cats will endure to survive in the wild. Cats aren't quitters - and I'll be damned if I'll ever quit on a cat who has even just a remote chance of surviving - regardless of what it takes or costs. I also recognize that many people with cats truly cannot afford adequate vet care. Yes, they shouldn't have cats if they cannot afford them, but many people do. They do the best with what they have. Most of the time the people *can* afford vet care - its just a matter of priorities and the willingness to make sacrifices for an indivudual who has entrusted you with her life. That's a responsibility and obligation I don't take lightly. This, Phil, is the only answer that I can identify with. |
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