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Old July 7th 03, 09:40 PM
J1Boss
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Hi folks - a few weeks ago, I wrote for some help with Skipjack, who uses his
box but uses other places as well. His first visit to the vet showed no UTI.
Neither did a visit to a different vet. We tried to go to my preferred vet,
but she's an hour away. On the day we had the appointment, Skip made it clear
that he was not at all happy with this car thing and one or both of us would
not have made it alive during rush hour with that drive! So we made an
appointment with another vet, very close by. Skip had more bloodwork and
urinalysis and culture done, as well as an ultrasound (a little overkill, but
what the heck).

Anyway, although there are some crystals in his urine, there is not infection.
I left him at the vet last Wednesday, so his bladder could fill and they could
do the tests. Well, since we've been home, he hasn't had a problem. I started
using some citrus room spray on the sofa cushions he commonly (recently at
least) has urinated on, and he hasn't eliminated on them again (no problem
being on my lap on same cushions). Knock on wood, does he seem to get it?

The vet recommended putting him on Elavil, but I'm not sure I want to drug a
cat if I can treat it otherwise. He also recommended CDS or IVD Control food.
I've never been a Hill's fan, although years ago, I did have my male cat on CD.


Any other food recommendations? He's eating Solid Gold, which seems to give
him less gas and stink than any other food. He eats small amounts of Sheba or
Fancy Feast (which I give in larger amounts to my sick kitty to get her to
eat), but prefers his dry food.


Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

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Old July 8th 03, 12:46 AM
Karen Chuplis
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in article , J1Boss at
wrote on 7/7/03 3:40 PM:

Hi folks - a few weeks ago, I wrote for some help with Skipjack, who uses his
box but uses other places as well. His first visit to the vet showed no UTI.
Neither did a visit to a different vet. We tried to go to my preferred vet,
but she's an hour away. On the day we had the appointment, Skip made it clear
that he was not at all happy with this car thing and one or both of us would
not have made it alive during rush hour with that drive! So we made an
appointment with another vet, very close by. Skip had more bloodwork and
urinalysis and culture done, as well as an ultrasound (a little overkill, but
what the heck).

Anyway, although there are some crystals in his urine, there is not infection.
I left him at the vet last Wednesday, so his bladder could fill and they could
do the tests. Well, since we've been home, he hasn't had a problem. I
started
using some citrus room spray on the sofa cushions he commonly (recently at
least) has urinated on, and he hasn't eliminated on them again (no problem
being on my lap on same cushions). Knock on wood, does he seem to get it?

The vet recommended putting him on Elavil, but I'm not sure I want to drug a
cat if I can treat it otherwise. He also recommended CDS or IVD Control food.
I've never been a Hill's fan, although years ago, I did have my male cat on
CD.


Any other food recommendations? He's eating Solid Gold, which seems to give
him less gas and stink than any other food. He eats small amounts of Sheba or
Fancy Feast (which I give in larger amounts to my sick kitty to get her to
eat), but prefers his dry food.


Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

I really recommend Feliway for a try before drugs.

Karen

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Old July 8th 03, 12:46 AM
Karen Chuplis
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in article , J1Boss at
wrote on 7/7/03 3:40 PM:

Hi folks - a few weeks ago, I wrote for some help with Skipjack, who uses his
box but uses other places as well. His first visit to the vet showed no UTI.
Neither did a visit to a different vet. We tried to go to my preferred vet,
but she's an hour away. On the day we had the appointment, Skip made it clear
that he was not at all happy with this car thing and one or both of us would
not have made it alive during rush hour with that drive! So we made an
appointment with another vet, very close by. Skip had more bloodwork and
urinalysis and culture done, as well as an ultrasound (a little overkill, but
what the heck).

Anyway, although there are some crystals in his urine, there is not infection.
I left him at the vet last Wednesday, so his bladder could fill and they could
do the tests. Well, since we've been home, he hasn't had a problem. I
started
using some citrus room spray on the sofa cushions he commonly (recently at
least) has urinated on, and he hasn't eliminated on them again (no problem
being on my lap on same cushions). Knock on wood, does he seem to get it?

The vet recommended putting him on Elavil, but I'm not sure I want to drug a
cat if I can treat it otherwise. He also recommended CDS or IVD Control food.
I've never been a Hill's fan, although years ago, I did have my male cat on
CD.


Any other food recommendations? He's eating Solid Gold, which seems to give
him less gas and stink than any other food. He eats small amounts of Sheba or
Fancy Feast (which I give in larger amounts to my sick kitty to get her to
eat), but prefers his dry food.


Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

I really recommend Feliway for a try before drugs.

Karen

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Old July 8th 03, 12:12 PM
J1Boss
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I really recommend Feliway for a try before drugs.

Karen


I agree that I don't want to use drugs. I have used Feliway spray, but not
consistently. Not sure exactly where I should be spraying it at this point, or
whether a diffuser would be optimal. And where to locate the diffuser(s). 2
level house, fairly open floorplan.


Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

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Old July 8th 03, 12:12 PM
J1Boss
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I really recommend Feliway for a try before drugs.

Karen


I agree that I don't want to use drugs. I have used Feliway spray, but not
consistently. Not sure exactly where I should be spraying it at this point, or
whether a diffuser would be optimal. And where to locate the diffuser(s). 2
level house, fairly open floorplan.


Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

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Old July 8th 03, 12:53 PM
moi
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I nearly missed this thread in my quest for information on Feliway.

Your cat's problem sounds a bit like mine was. Has anything traumatic (in
his terms) happened before he began?

The first time we had moved house temporarily whilst some major renovation
work was done - he peed on the spare bed a couple of times. When we moved
back he stopped.

Later he got "lost" for 24 hours - he was only about 200 yards away but he
has no sense of direction! He was upset by the whole affaire particularly as
he had picked up some sheep ticks. He was ok to begin with but then we went
on holiday and my parents came to cat sit (as usual). It was also summer,
the patio window was always open and other cats do pass through the garden.
When we got back it was major pee city for quite a while and we tried
everything - including some wrong things like getting cross if we caught him
in action.

I got so frantic I was contemplating spending a fortune for a cat "psy" -
but before I did I followed a link on his web site which explained why cats
do this and what to do about it. The main thing that worked for us instantly
was putting lots of small bowls of dried cat food all around the house -
food = security. The next thing was to get rid of the cat pee smell but not
to replace it with another unfamiliar smell that he may find threatening and
want to cover up. It also said to rub his face and then rub your hands over
the areas to transfer the pheromones - this is where the Feliway comes in.
Of course getting angry just make's things worse as they become more
stressed.

The dried food really worked but you have to put up with lots of little
bowls around the house. I eventually removed the ones that seemed
un-necessary and found ways of hiding others behind curtains etc. Now we
mostly have a problem with the conservatory which he considers as outside
because he can see other cats occasionally and the door is often open. We
also had an episode on the front door mat - I'm wondering if a cat outside
had sprayed near our door, or if he had heard a cat fight in the night.

I suggest you try and find what is making him stressed, dried food all over
the place (don't forget water, but just in one place will do) and something
with enzymes to get rid of previous accident smells - I use Shout stain
remover.

Good luck, it's not nice however much you love them, nobody wants their
house to smell of cat pee.

Moi

"J1Boss" wrote in message
...

I really recommend Feliway for a try before drugs.

Karen


I agree that I don't want to use drugs. I have used Feliway spray, but

not
consistently. Not sure exactly where I should be spraying it at this

point, or
whether a diffuser would be optimal. And where to locate the diffuser(s).

2
level house, fairly open floorplan.


Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com



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Old July 8th 03, 12:53 PM
moi
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I nearly missed this thread in my quest for information on Feliway.

Your cat's problem sounds a bit like mine was. Has anything traumatic (in
his terms) happened before he began?

The first time we had moved house temporarily whilst some major renovation
work was done - he peed on the spare bed a couple of times. When we moved
back he stopped.

Later he got "lost" for 24 hours - he was only about 200 yards away but he
has no sense of direction! He was upset by the whole affaire particularly as
he had picked up some sheep ticks. He was ok to begin with but then we went
on holiday and my parents came to cat sit (as usual). It was also summer,
the patio window was always open and other cats do pass through the garden.
When we got back it was major pee city for quite a while and we tried
everything - including some wrong things like getting cross if we caught him
in action.

I got so frantic I was contemplating spending a fortune for a cat "psy" -
but before I did I followed a link on his web site which explained why cats
do this and what to do about it. The main thing that worked for us instantly
was putting lots of small bowls of dried cat food all around the house -
food = security. The next thing was to get rid of the cat pee smell but not
to replace it with another unfamiliar smell that he may find threatening and
want to cover up. It also said to rub his face and then rub your hands over
the areas to transfer the pheromones - this is where the Feliway comes in.
Of course getting angry just make's things worse as they become more
stressed.

The dried food really worked but you have to put up with lots of little
bowls around the house. I eventually removed the ones that seemed
un-necessary and found ways of hiding others behind curtains etc. Now we
mostly have a problem with the conservatory which he considers as outside
because he can see other cats occasionally and the door is often open. We
also had an episode on the front door mat - I'm wondering if a cat outside
had sprayed near our door, or if he had heard a cat fight in the night.

I suggest you try and find what is making him stressed, dried food all over
the place (don't forget water, but just in one place will do) and something
with enzymes to get rid of previous accident smells - I use Shout stain
remover.

Good luck, it's not nice however much you love them, nobody wants their
house to smell of cat pee.

Moi

"J1Boss" wrote in message
...

I really recommend Feliway for a try before drugs.

Karen


I agree that I don't want to use drugs. I have used Feliway spray, but

not
consistently. Not sure exactly where I should be spraying it at this

point, or
whether a diffuser would be optimal. And where to locate the diffuser(s).

2
level house, fairly open floorplan.


Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com



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Old July 8th 03, 03:17 PM
moi
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Just a quick reply as I'm on my way out...

Yash is also very easy going and always in the middle of anything going on -
workmen in the house, visitors etc. Maybe it's not stress as in frightened,
more a case of better make sure this lot know whose house it is in case they
forget (his of course!).

Sorry the dried food can't help, it's such an easy solution in most cases.

Moi


"J1Boss" wrote in message
...
From: "moi"


I nearly missed this thread in my quest for information on Feliway.

Your cat's problem sounds a bit like mine was. Has anything traumatic (in
his terms) happened before he began?


Not even a little. He's an incredibly easy going cat. Loves being held

by
anyone, carried around, gets along great with the other cat and both dogs.

He
has a very low stress life!

The first time we had moved house temporarily whilst some major

renovation
work was done - he peed on the spare bed a couple of times. When we moved
back he stopped.


We had renovation going on here, but he insisted on putting himself in the
middle of it. Snuggling up to the cabinet installers, drywallers,
counter-measurers........ He used his box in the midst of all of it with

no
problem. A good deal of the construction went on in the "cat room". It's

a 12
x 18 laundry room lined with brand new cabinets. The cats eat on the

counter,
their boxes are in an open cabinet, choice of 2 types of litter. He even

used
his box when the room was flooded with 2" of icy water (which precipitated

the
renovation!). He likes to stand in the shower - water doesn't bother him!

Later he got "lost" for 24 hours - he was only about 200 yards away but

he
has no sense of direction! He was upset by the whole affaire particularly

as
he had picked up some sheep ticks. He was ok to begin with but then we

went
on holiday and my parents came to cat sit (as usual). It was also summer,
the patio window was always open and other cats do pass through the

garden.
When we got back it was major pee city for quite a while and we tried
everything - including some wrong things like getting cross if we caught

him
in action.


Skip is an indoor-only kitty - no interest at all in going outside (will
recline in an open doorway and not go out). No interactions with animals
outside his home.

I got so frantic I was contemplating spending a fortune for a cat "psy" -
but before I did I followed a link on his web site which explained why

cats
do this and what to do about it. The main thing that worked for us

instantly
was putting lots of small bowls of dried cat food all around the house -
food = security.


Can't do that in a house with 2 large dogs! ;-D

The next thing was to get rid of the cat pee smell but not
to replace it with another unfamiliar smell that he may find threatening

and
want to cover up. It also said to rub his face and then rub your hands

over
the areas to transfer the pheromones - this is where the Feliway comes

in.

I've been using Feliway, but not consistently. I'm going to get some
diffusers.

Of course getting angry just make's things worse as they become more
stressed.


While I am not pleased by his behavior, he doesn't get yelled at. Anytime

I've
seen him start to paw at something that indicates he may be about to

squat,
he's been interrupted and directed towards his box, but not scolded.

The dried food really worked but you have to put up with lots of little
bowls around the house.


Which is totally impossible here.

I suggest you try and find what is making him stressed, dried food all

over
the place (don't forget water, but just in one place will do) and

something
with enzymes to get rid of previous accident smells - I use Shout stain
remover.


I can't find any stress in his life! Truly, I can't find many more

relaxed
cats. He's totally non-vocal, plays with the other pets, sleeps with me

every
night, and is on my lap a good deal of the rest of the day.

Food is not an option, neither are additional water bowls (all pets

currently
share one large one, which is located to avoid water splashing, etc). I

may
get him a fountain though - need to read some threads in whether cats seem

to
like those or not. I have been using Simple Solution Cat Urine

Eliminator,
which is enzyme-based, and have used Nature's Miracle as well.

Good luck, it's not nice however much you love them, nobody wants their
house to smell of cat pee.

Moi


Absolutely! It's a frustrating problem. I adore this kitty and have no
intention of getting rid of him in any fashion, just because of this

problem.
I know we can conquer it, I just need to find the right combo of steps.


Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com



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Old July 8th 03, 03:17 PM
moi
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Just a quick reply as I'm on my way out...

Yash is also very easy going and always in the middle of anything going on -
workmen in the house, visitors etc. Maybe it's not stress as in frightened,
more a case of better make sure this lot know whose house it is in case they
forget (his of course!).

Sorry the dried food can't help, it's such an easy solution in most cases.

Moi


"J1Boss" wrote in message
...
From: "moi"


I nearly missed this thread in my quest for information on Feliway.

Your cat's problem sounds a bit like mine was. Has anything traumatic (in
his terms) happened before he began?


Not even a little. He's an incredibly easy going cat. Loves being held

by
anyone, carried around, gets along great with the other cat and both dogs.

He
has a very low stress life!

The first time we had moved house temporarily whilst some major

renovation
work was done - he peed on the spare bed a couple of times. When we moved
back he stopped.


We had renovation going on here, but he insisted on putting himself in the
middle of it. Snuggling up to the cabinet installers, drywallers,
counter-measurers........ He used his box in the midst of all of it with

no
problem. A good deal of the construction went on in the "cat room". It's

a 12
x 18 laundry room lined with brand new cabinets. The cats eat on the

counter,
their boxes are in an open cabinet, choice of 2 types of litter. He even

used
his box when the room was flooded with 2" of icy water (which precipitated

the
renovation!). He likes to stand in the shower - water doesn't bother him!

Later he got "lost" for 24 hours - he was only about 200 yards away but

he
has no sense of direction! He was upset by the whole affaire particularly

as
he had picked up some sheep ticks. He was ok to begin with but then we

went
on holiday and my parents came to cat sit (as usual). It was also summer,
the patio window was always open and other cats do pass through the

garden.
When we got back it was major pee city for quite a while and we tried
everything - including some wrong things like getting cross if we caught

him
in action.


Skip is an indoor-only kitty - no interest at all in going outside (will
recline in an open doorway and not go out). No interactions with animals
outside his home.

I got so frantic I was contemplating spending a fortune for a cat "psy" -
but before I did I followed a link on his web site which explained why

cats
do this and what to do about it. The main thing that worked for us

instantly
was putting lots of small bowls of dried cat food all around the house -
food = security.


Can't do that in a house with 2 large dogs! ;-D

The next thing was to get rid of the cat pee smell but not
to replace it with another unfamiliar smell that he may find threatening

and
want to cover up. It also said to rub his face and then rub your hands

over
the areas to transfer the pheromones - this is where the Feliway comes

in.

I've been using Feliway, but not consistently. I'm going to get some
diffusers.

Of course getting angry just make's things worse as they become more
stressed.


While I am not pleased by his behavior, he doesn't get yelled at. Anytime

I've
seen him start to paw at something that indicates he may be about to

squat,
he's been interrupted and directed towards his box, but not scolded.

The dried food really worked but you have to put up with lots of little
bowls around the house.


Which is totally impossible here.

I suggest you try and find what is making him stressed, dried food all

over
the place (don't forget water, but just in one place will do) and

something
with enzymes to get rid of previous accident smells - I use Shout stain
remover.


I can't find any stress in his life! Truly, I can't find many more

relaxed
cats. He's totally non-vocal, plays with the other pets, sleeps with me

every
night, and is on my lap a good deal of the rest of the day.

Food is not an option, neither are additional water bowls (all pets

currently
share one large one, which is located to avoid water splashing, etc). I

may
get him a fountain though - need to read some threads in whether cats seem

to
like those or not. I have been using Simple Solution Cat Urine

Eliminator,
which is enzyme-based, and have used Nature's Miracle as well.

Good luck, it's not nice however much you love them, nobody wants their
house to smell of cat pee.

Moi


Absolutely! It's a frustrating problem. I adore this kitty and have no
intention of getting rid of him in any fashion, just because of this

problem.
I know we can conquer it, I just need to find the right combo of steps.


Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com



 




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