declaw or not to declaw?

Annie wrote:


i appreciate the link but i dont appreciate the name-calling
and the personal attacks from you and from other people

Then don't do something that MERITS personal attack!

my vet said declawing should be the last resort and i have
tried everything else so it is the last resort

My advice to you: CHANGE VETS!!!!! (Yours obviously knows little about
cats, and certainly doesn't have the animal's best interests at heart.)


i love mitzi and im not going to give her away when i can
keep her if i just have a procedure done that is no worse
than when i had her spayed

Maybe you should consult the cat? She might have something to say about
being mutilated for your convenience! "Spaying" is simply a complete
hysterectomy - something many human females undergo (although admittedly
not simply as a means of birth-control). Surgically removing the upper
part of a woman's fingers so she wouldn't need to cut her nails isn't
anything she'd even contemplate! (Why consider it for the cat you
pretend to "love"?)

Most of us long ago realized that, if it comes to a choice between
"nice" furniture and a healthy, happy cat, the furniture must run a
distant second. IMO you can't "love" her all that much if you want to
deprive her of her natural defenses! We all know CATS HAVE CLAWS -
either live with it, or find her another home and get a dog (who will be
happy to be your slave, even if it means "cropping" ears and tails, as
is the "fashion" for some breeds)

Annie wrote:
"Jo Firey" wrote in
news


If you can't provide a better place to scratch than the
furniture or
keep the cat away from the furniture, it would probably be
better to
find Mitzi a new home with someone who actually loves cats.
Claws and
all.

Jo

i love mitzi and im not going to give her away

Sounds like pretty one-sized "love" to me, when you'd rather mutilate
her than find a more tolerant home for her!

On Mar 29, 12:05*pm, Annie wrote:
i need to declaw my little mitzi because she is tearing up
the furniture

Think of the Mastercard adverts:-

Chair $300

Sofa $1,000

Knowing my cat is happy being a cat and has not been mutilated for the
sake of inaminate possessions-PRICELESS

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs

wrote:
Annie wrote:

"Is Declawing really that cruel?"
http://network.bestfriends.org/Blogs...il.aspx?bp=325
"Declawing cats is a very hot topic for debate. For many
years now, animal rights people have lied and deceived the
public into believing that declawing cats is the most
inhumane and horrible procedure on the planet. The truth is,
is a common surgical procedure done under anesthesia and if
done correctly, there will not be any lasting effects..."

Then why is it illegal in almost all of Europe? PETA doesn't have
*that* much reach...

Just one more proof (along with lack of universal health care) that the
U.S. is not nearly so "civilized" as it likes to pretend!

"jmcquown"
Kyla =^..^= wrote:
"Billy Colburn" who managed once again to crawl out of the dumpster
snarffed:
jmcquown ,

Kyla =^..^= wrote:
I feel like a real idiot for responding to this thread, but I did
tell this person what I thought. Being new here, I had no idea she
was a troll :/ But, I let her know I was totally against de-clawing
and why Hug
Kyla

Doesn't require being a newbie to *this* newsgroup to figure out a
troll. We try to give people the benefit if the doubt but it's
obvious from the get-go if they want to argue after getting good
information they are just here to stir up trouble.

Translation:
If you disagree with me you're a troll.

Oh pish tosh !

If you disagree with what I say is the truth you are a troll.

You've been 'Cheezing' again, haven't you??
(South Park reference)

--
Billy Colburn

Now go back to the 'stinky litterbox,'
and listen to some Barry Manilow.
Kyla
--notiting a subtle change in the 'Subject/Header
+=^@V@^=`,
X

I wouldn't have seen this Troll's reply if *you* hadn't replied to him!
Please stop with the all drama and either killfile them or ignore them.
Please?????

Jill

No worries hon,
he's back in the 'stinky litterbox' buried under 4 inches of heavy sand
litter
Sorry I 'replied'
DUH
I was in a LOT of knee pain when I made that comment to the cretin.
anyway, no more for him...he's back in the KF
Plonked and 'flushed' LOL

Hug
Kyla

Jo Firey wrote:

BTW, I thought we all agreed that spay and neuter is good and declaw is bad
and didn't need discussed. That neither was still up for debate. Anyone
opposed on those matters wasn't really welcome. Loophole for ethical
breeders like Lois who has such beautiful kittens.

Indoor/outdoor couldn't be agreed on nicely so we agreed to disagree
silently.

Jo


That was my understanding, too! "Indoor/outdoor" can depend a great
deal upon individual circumstances, but indiscriminate breeding of
unwanted kittens, and mutilating animals for the owner's convenience
seem to be "no brainers"!

"Granby" wrote in message
...
Hey, lets leave Berry Manilow out of this discussion!!!


I like Barry Manilow. Rob does not. I found out a few days ago why I was
buying so many copies of Barry, Gordon Lightfoot, and (above all) Michael
Bolton. Rob was discretely tossing them in the dumpster at work. When I
asked him why, he said that he just didn't like them. I pointed out that I
left his Roxette, heavy metal CDs, and other stuff alone, and that it wasn't
fair for him to sabotage my music choices. He said that he just never
thought about it and oh well.

Meat Loaf does a disappearing act around our house too. Mostly because
people borrow him and never bring him back. I've gone through five copies
of the first "Bat out of Hell" tape and CD.

Pam S. who loves the song "Read 'em and Weep."

Shiral wrote:
On Mar 29, 12:05 pm, Annie wrote:
i need to declaw my little mitzi because she is tearing up
the furniture but my sister says thats cruel

the vet says its fine and i believe him over my sister
because she is one of those peta nuts who puts the welfare of
animals over that of people


Just cut off the first joint of all your own fingers, first. If you
care for your furniture more than your cat, you shouldn't have a cat.

Melissa

AMEN!!!!

Will in New Haven wrote:

I am rather uncaring about furniture. In fact, the last thing a woman
said when she dumped me was "Bill, you are fifty and you don't even
have any furniture you care about." I was really puzzled by that
because I didn't think I SHOULD care about furniture. However, keeping
the furniture reasonable safe from cats is not difficult and does not
require surgery.

Sometimes it's harder to keep the furniture safe from the "protective
measures" than from the cats! When I bought my leather furniture, I
bought a then new product called "Sticky Paws", which operated on the
premise that cats don't like putting their paws on sticky surfaces.
(You can NEVER state anything with certainty beginning "All cats....",
and mine didn't seem to mind it a bit.) However, the product had not
yet added a rather crucial caution to its packaging: "Do not use on
leather upholstery". Not only did it NOT prevent my cats from sinking
their claws into the leather, removing the stuff itself also removed the
glaze from the leather! (So my furniture now bears not only cat-claw
indentations, but shine-free areas on the leather at all the corners - I
HAD to remove the Sticky Paws, because it became so coated with fur it
was no longer any use at all.)

Was I upset? Yes. (But I got over it.) Would I even CONSIDER
declawing? Never! I learned to live with less than pristine leather
furniture. (It still fulfills its primary raison d'etre - cat fur can
be easily brushed or vacuumed off - it doesn't become an integral part
of the chair, as it did with fabric upholstery.) My leather furniture
may be far from pristine, but I have happy cats to cuddle and to help me
control my blood-pressure. (As I learned from a couple of friends who
lost most of their families in the Holocaust: "THINGS can be replaced -
only life itself is TRULY precious".)

Will in New Haven wrote:

I am rather uncaring about furniture. In fact, the last thing a woman
said when she dumped me was "Bill, you are fifty and you don't even
have any furniture you care about." I was really puzzled by that
because I didn't think I SHOULD care about furniture.

Will, this gave me a good laugh. Not only because she thought you should
care about furniture, but that she thought it was somehow related to your
*age*. Not only were you some Neanderthal who didn't care about furniture,
but, OMG, you were *fifty* and didn't care about furniture! boggle The
two of you were clearly not a good match and I think she did you a favor.

My ex once said, in a fit of upset and without the slightest trace of
irony, "I'm 37 years old and I don't even have matching plates!" This, by
the way, was an accusation against me, because I was the one who made most
of the money, so it was evidently my responsibility to provide us with
the respectability of matching dishware...

Joyce