There's Something About Mary

"Charlie Wilkes" wrote in message
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Also, the "suicide taunt" is way overdone. Some guy posted about
wanting a suicide partner in Norway. Celeste/Mary told him he was a
sicko. That supposedly was taunting him. But the original post was a
tongue-in-cheek reference to a news story about a suicide pact that
had just taken place in Norway, not a post by someone who was really
suicidal.
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Charlie


Charlie: A piece of advice to you and others. There is no such thing as
"tongue-in-cheek" references or off-the-cuff remarks where suicide or self
inflicted harm are concerned. Do not ever take these utterances lightly ...
not ever.

Do you understand? There is no room for joking in this particular arena.

Candace wrote:

animzmirot wrote:

Oh, I know, but the timing was more than a bit suspicious, wasn't it? We
know that Nancy trolls with a group, and nobody was more of a cheerleader
for "Mary" than Trish. That's how troll groups work. I am wondering just who
else was part of the troll cabal. Charlie? Barry? Phil? KitKat? So many to
ponder.


Phil P.? or Philip? I'd say a resounding "NO" on either. I'd say no
on all those you mentioned as well as Trish, really. I was supportive
of Mary the Conan rescue and I actually enjoyed bantering with her
sometimes. I'm not a troll either.

Candace

Well, I guess if you are not simply outraged and appalled by Mary, then
you must be a troll. Makes perfect sense. Not to mention all my
posts...you know...about my cats Jasper and Luna. Very trollish!!!!

Oh well. The drama continues. And I read it. Such is life. Carry on.
Pam

-L. wrote:

I think Rhonda is the only one who was "astonished", and that's because
she trusted Mary. I think others are just a bit horrified at the
extent to which it was perpetrated (e.g. the amount of history). I
know I was, a bit.

That's exactly it for me. I'm not surprised at her trollery and I
guess in some ways I don't even think it's so awful. I thought trolls
were a part of usenet, we all know they exist. I can't say *I* would
enjoy trolling but I suppose some people might. The harm, if there is
any, comes in people who take it all too seriously, I suppose. And I
can also see that it can be disruptive and take away from a group but,
really, you can't control that other than ignoring the troll.

I'm just exceedingly surprised that she left a trail leading to her
real identity. That's what shocks me. I really thought she would be
more careful. I also am somewhat "awed," for lack of a better word,
that Karma was able to tie it together. I suppose once it was
determined that "rosefan" was posting to other groups than rpchb (Mary
never denied that she was rosefan) that it began to fall together but I
can't quite figure out where it all tied to her real name...in one of
the genealogy groups, I suppose. I haven't read every single link in
the OP. I truly find every aspect of it quite fascinating.

I gotta say, though, her job sounds cool. But then I love research and
grubbing around in old archives; that and the historic district
representative thing; it sounds like she has it made profession-wise.

Candace

Charlie Wilkes wrote:

Also, has anyone tried calling the phone number provided? You would
be a good candidate to do so, Candace, because you are bold, resolute
and intelligent. Let us know what you find out.

Well, thank you for the compliment. I'll admit I was tempted but I
didn't do it. I wouldn't know what to say and it's not likely she
would 'fess up anyway. She knows I'm usenet buddies with some of her
"enemies" so she'd probably think I was a plant. To be quite honest, I
don't want to be on her **** list. I don't want to see my personal
info all over usenet someday either.

I'll bet you someone has called her, though. I don't know who but
someone who read that had to have done it. I think it's odd she quit
posting, too. She posted to this thread for a while and then stopped.

But, like I said, I find it all very fascinating. I also found all the
analysis of the Conan photos fascinating. I love mysteries.

You'd really be a better candidate for calling her, Charlie. You and
she have always been buds and you were both on the rescue team. I was
just a bystander.

Candace

"Candace" wrote in message
oups.com...

I gotta say, though, her job sounds cool. But then I love
research and
grubbing around in old archives; that and the historic district
representative thing; it sounds like she has it made
profession-wise.

Candace

She once threatened me a couple of times when I said she was liar .
just wanted to add that if you had any idea what I do for
a living you would not even attempt to engage in this kind of
sophistry. You
are way out of your league.

I just wonder what she thought she could do ! Blitz me with death
certificates? G
Alison

Alison wrote:
"Candace" wrote in message
oups.com...

I gotta say, though, her job sounds cool. But then I love
research and
grubbing around in old archives; that and the historic district
representative thing; it sounds like she has it made
profession-wise.

Candace

She once threatened me a couple of times when I said she was liar .
just wanted to add that if you had any idea what I do for
a living you would not even attempt to engage in this kind of
sophistry. You
are way out of your league.

I just wonder what she thought she could do ! Blitz me with death
certificates? G
Alison

blah! mental propoganda! you bought is sucka!

She's a better jouster than you! Take a tip! learn a lesson stinky

On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:46:33 GMT, Rhonda
wrote:

The part that saddens me about this has nothing to do with Dan and
Monica or a stray cat. I don't even think I can put it into words, and
probably no one cares anyway. It has to do with how people can act and
treat each other while feeling so anonymous on the usenet. And I've been
down in the computer gutter too.

I think I understand. You are here to be yourself, and you are level
with people. It's cheap and easy to exploit that honesty and drive it
out of the system until only the bull****ters remain. It's a form of
vandalism, desecration of the commons.

But, others would argue that role playing is part of what makes Usenet
interesting and fun. If you want a more focused discussion of a
particular subject, go to a board on a web site.

Also, there is a lot of sanctimony in these animal groups that flatly
invites a hostile response. If people want to pronounce judgement on
my competence as a pet-owner, that is fine, but it is they, not I, who
thereby establish the basis of a conflict. Dan, Monica, Cheryl, Lyn
and others have not shied from denouncing me as unfit to adopt
animals. They're entitled to their opinion, but guess what? So am I.

Many people in this group post hostile, inflammatory comments day in
and day out. That is why people like Mary show up and stick around.

Charlie

Charlie Wilkes wrote:

And as for trolls, what about Philip? Did he just pop into Usenet
existence for the first time a few months ago, when he started
looking for a cat? Maybe so.

It seems nobody so far took note of the OE version 'Karma' posted
with. Very few here use that version, and one stands out.

Joske

"Joske" wrote in message
...
Charlie Wilkes wrote:

And as for trolls, what about Philip? Did he just pop into Usenet
existence for the first time a few months ago, when he started
looking for a cat? Maybe so.

It seems nobody so far took note of the OE version 'Karma' posted
with. Very few here use that version, and one stands out.

Joske

LOL!

Hugs,

CatNipped

On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:29:32 GMT, "Philip"
wrote:


"Charlie Wilkes" wrote in message
.. .
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Also, the "suicide taunt" is way overdone. Some guy posted about
wanting a suicide partner in Norway. Celeste/Mary told him he was a
sicko. That supposedly was taunting him. But the original post was a
tongue-in-cheek reference to a news story about a suicide pact that
had just taken place in Norway, not a post by someone who was really
suicidal.
snip
Charlie


Charlie: A piece of advice to you and others. There is no such thing as
"tongue-in-cheek" references or off-the-cuff remarks where suicide or self
inflicted harm are concerned. Do not ever take these utterances lightly ...
not ever.

Do you understand? There is no room for joking in this particular arena.

I don't agree with you Philip. I think you've got a wad of sticky,
stupid sanctimony stuffed up your ass. But your point is same one
Celeste/Mary made in this ASH thread.

She did not taunt a suicidal person. She rebuked someone for posting
a joke message about a suicide pact that had been in the news.

Go back to the Karma post and follow the link to the thread. The
truth is there.

Charlie