There's Something About Mary

"Trish" wrote in message
.. .
"Alison" wrote in message
...
"Trish" wrote in message
news

Hitler loved dogs
Alison

I believe that if anyone compares Mary to Hitler, they are stating
that she
has an incredible amount of power in the world. And the ability to
lead
many to do anything and everything that is morally wrong. So, if
you think
Mary compares to Hitler, then you've accepted that she can and will
control
whatever she wants in life, wow.

It was just something that sprung up in my head when I saw the
comment about
Mary loving cats.
That's interesting you feel that someone comparing Mary to Hitler is
stating she has an incredible amount of power in the world. I was
thinking more along the lines that they were both psycho.

I can't even begin to describe how the
comparison makes me feel.

You could try . Give us a clue at least
Alison


I definitely will after I catch a few hours sleep and can think clearly.


I am confident you will accomplish the former but never accomplish the
latter.

"Philip" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Trish" wrote in message
.. .
"Alison" wrote in message
...
"Trish" wrote in message
news
Hitler loved dogs
Alison

I believe that if anyone compares Mary to Hitler, they are stating
that she
has an incredible amount of power in the world. And the ability to
lead
many to do anything and everything that is morally wrong. So, if
you think
Mary compares to Hitler, then you've accepted that she can and will
control
whatever she wants in life, wow.

It was just something that sprung up in my head when I saw the
comment about
Mary loving cats.
That's interesting you feel that someone comparing Mary to Hitler is
stating she has an incredible amount of power in the world. I was
thinking more along the lines that they were both psycho.

I can't even begin to describe how the
comparison makes me feel.

You could try . Give us a clue at least
Alison


I definitely will after I catch a few hours sleep and can think clearly.


I am confident you will accomplish the former but never accomplish the
latter.



Phillip, I think its time you got over your fascination of me. I know
you're lacking alot in your life, but really I'm not into filling that void,
move on, go back to your blow-up dolls, put me in the past, I'm not
interested in you, you're old and senile, I like em young and able to bend
without the need of support, and preferably with their own teeth

"Trish" wrote in message
. ..
"Philip" wrote in message


I am confident you will accomplish the former but never accomplish
the
latter.



Phillip, I think its time you got over your fascination of me. I
know
you're lacking alot in your life, but really I'm not into filling
that void,
move on, go back to your blow-up dolls, put me in the past, I'm not
interested in you, you're old and senile, I like em young and able
to bend
without the need of support, and preferably with their own teeth.

Cor! Me too, but would they like us ? G
Alison

CatNipped wrote:
"MaryL" wrote

Part of my response was a reaction to what CatNipped wrote.
That is, she said " It seems nobody so far took note of the OE
version 'Karma' posted with. Very few here use that version, and
one stands out." IMO, that statement is inaccurate because this
version of OE was released several years ago and has *many*
users.

Nope, I didn't say that, please check your sources again. Joske
is the one who wrote that

Are you sure? Got message-id? Headers? Can it be googled? ;-)

- I pointed out that there are a lot of
people in the world who use OE.

But less than a handful in this group uses version 6.00.2900.2180.

Joske

"Joske" wrote

But less than a handful in this group uses version 6.00.2900.2180.

Joske


Just my own little conspiracy theory - I think Karma is probably someone who
doesn't use OE normally and used it this one time to post. OE comes with
Office (or does it come with Windows?) Anyway, so many people have it but
might not choose to use it.

-Kelly

"Alison" wrote in message
...

"Trish" wrote in message
. ..
"Philip" wrote in message


I am confident you will accomplish the former but never accomplish
the
latter.



Phillip, I think its time you got over your fascination of me. I
know
you're lacking alot in your life, but really I'm not into filling
that void,
move on, go back to your blow-up dolls, put me in the past, I'm not
interested in you, you're old and senile, I like em young and able
to bend
without the need of support, and preferably with their own teeth.

Cor! Me too, but would they like us ? G
Alison


lol, here's to hoping!

wow, my cats are lazy, I'm sure they have not moved since last night, it has
finally cooled off a little here and the humidity is less so they're
enjoying it.

Trish wrote:

wow, my cats are lazy, I'm sure they have not moved since last night, it has
finally cooled off a little here and the humidity is less so they're
enjoying it.

Heh. We were juuust chastising Dudley for not moving all night or
morning. Finally, DH put out some fresh food...and wouldnt you know...he
came running! HA! But otherwise, I think he has been in the same curled
up position for about 15 hours. (though evidence does point to him
getting up at least once in the middle of the night to eat a snack)


Pam

On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:01:40 +0200, "Joske" wrote:

But less than a handful in this group uses version 6.00.2900.2180.

On a quick search of what posts I have archived from this group on my PC
dating back to 5/24/05, I counted 7 different versions being used by 23
different people (AFAICT). 6.00.2900.2180 was used by 11(48%) of those
people thus making it the most common version in use in this group. In
relative terms, that's not really less than a handful.

HTH
L.

Putting it back in the archives.





On Tue 19 Jul 2005 09:28:39p, Karma wrote in
rec.pets.cats.health+behav
(news:1121822922.17be3972bc4d4cc05c7ccecfca6b6249@ teranews):

As a witness to the destruction and devistation that occurred
years ago in rec.gardens.roses, I was quite interested to see
what was happening when I was made aware that an eerily similar
situation was happening in some of the cat groups. It only took
a few moments to verify that the poster responsible for all of
the garbage in the cats groups is the very same troll that
invaded the rose group so long ago.

These facts are posted as a public service so that you know what
you're dealing with, especially if you plan on complaining to
"Mary's" ISPs. *ALL* of the following information is public
domain and was very easy to find.

Mary S aka Nancy Carter Moore (and many more Usenet IDs, as
you'll see) is a seasoned Usenet troll. You be the judge. This
information is being shared with you to let you know that her
mission since 1998 is to destroy newsgroups. Particularly groups
in the Big Eight hierarchy. She has a problem with groups that
she feels are a social group and sets out to make it her own
private chat by bringing in troll friends to destroy it. If
you've been reading this group for any length of time, the
perpetrator should be obvious. She has already threatened to do
the same thing to rec.pets.cats.anecdotes and rec.food.cooking
now that she's been successful in rec.pets.cats.health&behav,
and before that, rec.gardens.roses.

Her antics in 2 Big Eight groups over what looks to be the last
few years (rec.pets.cats.health+behav & rec.pets.cats.anecdotes)
have resulted in history repeating itself. Nancy's only goal is
to disrupt, turn regular posters against one another, and make
the groups unreadable. She thrives on discontent and hatred. It
seems that Nancy found this hard to do in rpca because it
appears that the regulars have a "different" -and EFFECTIVE- way
of dealing with trolls, and it seems she was actually liked by a
few (who apparently hadn't seen the vicious side she showed on
the other cat group). In rpch&b this obviously hasn't been the
case. Since rpch&b looks to be borderline volatile, it was easy
for her to disrupt by making "friends" with those who agree with
her and making enemies of those she decides not to approve of,
bring in outside troll friends, and then set in motion the
wheels that spin her hatred, anger and unhappy life even more.
This behavior is the same behavior that she's exhibited for
years, as is evident in the quotes here.

The links that follow prove that Mary has posted under numerous
names, email addresses and accounts over the last several years.

Some of "Mary"/Nancy's IDs and sock puppets. There are probably
many mo

Mary:




Celeste Meadowbrook / Joan Hunter:



http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2C536D6B

Shiva:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?T1572117B
lid





Some of the links referenced below prove her identity based on
the content of what she's posted, some prove it because of the
common phrases she uses no matter "who" she is posting as. She
delights in posting personal information of others and seems to
think she is untouchable with regard to her own personal
information. Her's are all listed at the bottom of this article.


The following links are irrefutable evidence that Mary, Celeste,
Shiva, Joan, etc are all really Nancy Carter Moore trolling
Usenet under different names for literally years.


***Disclaimer***
All cited references from Google are linked using the service of
makeashorterlink.com. If you click a link, you have the
opportunity to close the window before the final source URL is
loaded.
***/Disclaimer***

---------------------------------------

These are some very recent threats made by Mary aka Nancy Carter
Moore. Hiding behind anonymous news servers doesn't make one as
anonymous as one might think, though it may make them bold
enough to make threats like these:


http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1E42517B


From: "Mary"
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav
References: ThFAe.113936$yV4.97240@okepread03
Subject: In Support of Monica Towle, Animal Abuse Advocate
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:12:12 -0400
Message-ID:

There is not much I can do, but I tend to be resourceful so the
parties involved may rest assured that I will do everything I
can to see that this intolerable, cruel, and abusive situation
is resolved as soon as possible. Happily, the identities of the
parties involved are a matter of public record.

Dan Mahoney, his wife Nancy Mahoney, and Monica Towles will be
held responsible for what happens to this cat.


--------end copy&paste----------

Another recent threat

http://makeashorterlink.com/?X3F42317B

From: "Mary"
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
Subject: Don't be fooled...
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:20:59 -0400
Message-ID:

Those of you who are telling me to "take this offline" had
better think about what you are saying. It really is not a good
idea.


--------end copy&paste----------

Now she is threatening to destroy rec.pets.cats.anecdotes - a
perfectly friendly group; an anomaly on Usenet - by bringing in
newly created troublemakers and a few old troll friends.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?R2053417B


From: "Mary"
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav,rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
Subject: Conan adopted by triple-PhD family with 12,000 sq.
ft. home! Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 15:53:48 -0400
Message-ID:

"Candace" wrote in message
oups.com...

Charlie Wilkes wrote:

That is the issue that gives rise to my continuing interest
in Dan's Usenet career. Rather than be upset, I think it
is better just to hang out in RPCA and warn newbies about
what a ****head Dan is. It will be fun and entertaining.

Only problem with that is there are hardly any newbies in the
Stepford Group. Their clique-y-ness and inside jokes/info
make it user-unfriendly to most new people who venture in
there.


But you know, this could change. It may be time for it to
change. It is never good for people to get to proprietary over
newsgroups. One would not want the sweet people at anecdotes to
truly believe that they have a right to control the content of
the group. That would not be fair to them. It would only mean a
ruder awakening later on. There are, after all, anecdotes about
cats in many groups. We wouldn't want the rpca folks to miss
any.

Another thought: when they post recipes, I think we should
share them with the cooking groups! We could make many
more people happy this way!

Spreading happiness is a good thing. I am feeling happier
already.


--------end copy&paste----------

History

The groups that Mary, I mean Nancy has trolled are varied and
diverse, including rec.gardens.roses, alt.suicide.holiday,
alt.hahaha, alt.genealogy. Her "home" group was alt.troll.

How did this outing get started? Read the following post and
you'll see how Mary outed herself. Her beloved Gnarly is now
over the rainbow bridge, but Buddha is alive and well. Remember
the name of her friend Suzanne. It will be important later:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?D1F551D6B


From: Celeste
Subject: Roses from Paradise
Date: 1999/10/28
Message-ID: #1/1
Newsgroups: rec.gardens.roses

Hey, Suzanne, I'm amazed, Scentimental, Octoberfest, Nicole and
Jude the Obscure all arrived this morning, and you just mailed
them Tues. afternoon!! They are in great shape, all handling
parties apparently heeded your "this end up" commands, and they
will be in the ground by Saturday morning. (I have meetings and
a lonnng fundraiser/dinner tonight, but they get first priority
tomorrow.) Buddha and Gnarly thank you for the gourmet tidbits,
also. By the way, did you know that you left one of your bakery
aprons in the bottom of the box? I'm guessing that was a
chocolate eclair day?

--------end copy&paste----------

"Mary" got her start posting to alt.hahaha in 1998 as Nancy
Carter, her real name, well, maiden name. Here under her real
name are also her first posts to the genealogy groups --
alt.genealogy.methods and alt.genealogy. Her work is research
for genealogy. At first glance she seems like a pleasant poster.
There are too many of her posts to go through during the brief
months that she posted as Nancy Carter
to see exactly why she wasn't
considered a pleasant poster, but notice that many other members
have decided that her behavior is trollish:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?X14523D6B

Even after changing Usenet names a year later, she still
frequented alt.hahaha as "Celeste" with the same venomous
attitude and sociopath behavior.
---------------------------------------

Here we find her learning how to troll on alt.troll:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?S45523D6B

--------------------------------------------

We know she's a genealogy weenie from her posting history in the
genealogy newsgroups.
Nancy's resume:
http://genealogypro.com/nfcarter.html which now redirects to the
current ad):
http://genealogypro.com/ncmoore.html
If this has been removed, try archive.org:
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://...m/nfcarter.htm
l

-------------------------------------------

Here is a previous outing of Nancy Carter Moore from the
archives. Yes, she's been at this for years.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?L18523D6B


From: News Reader
Subject: Disruptive Troll Warning!
Date: 2000/04/17
Message-ID: #1/1
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday

In article , Celeste
wrote:


News Reader wrote:

Be nice or I will take away your meds.

Would they be the ones that Nancy's on? You remember Nancy,
Nancy Carter, Nancy Carter Moore,
(when she forgets to take the "celeste-type meds"?)


Oh!! You have me! That's me, all right. Oy!

Yeah, you never should have posted from those "clear" AT&T
modems in Raleigh back in March. Eventually you all trip
yourselves up (even changing to your married name in, oh, when
was it? March, April 98?)


--------end copy&paste----------

http://makeashorterlink.com/?N57512D6B


"Part 1: After kicking the rose people, the 'fat' people, the
cat people, the teeny-bopper people, the wienie-chopper people,
the comedy people, the suicide people, the troll people, the
depressed people, and only DEJA knows what OTHER people for year
after year.....and THEN being OUTED....then being
EXPOSED...........then being DRAGGED OUT from the wall of
altopia anonymity you are still PATHETICALLY CLINGING TO, you
cannot just one day come clean and ALL IS FORGIVEN just because
you tell STILL ANOTHER LIE. No, Madame Bitterfly, things don't
work that way. The chickens have come home to roost!!! "


--------end copy&paste----------

Trolling suicidal people is another of Nancy's favorite
pasttimes:

While ASH isn't a suicide support group, it is frequented
by teens and others that are either suicidal, or curious about
the act. "Celeste" has been quoted as "egging on" a suicidal
person to complete the act.

There are many more like this one:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?L2A512D6B


From: Celeste
Subject: Suicide partner
Date: 2000/02/09
Message-ID: #1/1
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday

Hello a.s.h. readers,

This is my first posting to this newsgroup, so if this message
is inappropriate for this group, please accept my apologies.
Also, this message is only for people determined to kill
themselves, so if this is not your desire, you can stop reading
now.

I am planning on committing suicide, and I've been thinking
about this for quite some time (years), it's not some impulse
decision. But, and this may sound a bit bizarre to some I
guess, I would like to do this together with someone else. So,
if someone else has similar wishes, please get in touch with
me. I live in Norway, so it would be best if you live somewhere
near (by this I mean Northern Europe, I am willing to do some
travelling / alternatively pay for your ticket to get here, if
funds are tight)

Any serious replies are welcome, send me a mail and we can
arrange it. Do-gooders and trolls, save yourself the trouble
and go on to the next posting.

Yours,
Dan


You are really ****ed up, and a wusssssss, too.


--------end copy&paste----------

After doing some digging I discovered that she resumed her
trolling to the genealogy groups as Genjunkie and Mary.

Near the end of the genealogy group era when she was basically
"ignored" out, she found the cat groups and posted for a while
as Mary but when she lost her Road Runner
account, changed it to Mary , and
then later to her current ID as Mary and
there was even a SPAM block in the domain to make it
just for a little mix. Mary S is for
Mary Smith, her husband (Mark) is referred to as John Smith.
How cute.

-------------------------------------

Sex change? Check it out!!1!!
http://makeashorterlink.com/?M2B525D6B
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R29512D6B

---------------------------------------


From: (Tsunam5724)
Subject: Message for Theoni Kallandra
Date: 1999/07/05
Message-ID: #1/1
Newsgroups: alt.support.srs

Seven wrote:

I am sorry to hear of your troubles. I don't know if it is or
isn't the same Celeste that used to post here, but if it is, you
should know that she won the KoTm award last July or August
(usenet Kook of the Month).

heheh, that news does not surprise us in the least. And believe
me, it _is_ the very same Celeste - we've read through a number
of her posts on this group (under the screen
name), and can verify this is the same person - well versed, but
totally crazy.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
It's incredible how such an insane person as this "Celeste" can
actually be permitted to give advice to new transexual's. IMO,
the last thing people need...those who are struggling with
identity problems or whatever....is an insane creature such as
"Celeste" in their life. Anyway, Seven - we thank you for your
help and concern.


--------end copy&paste----------

Nancy and her troll friends have often been the subject of
conversations at the NANAU news group.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?H2E542D6B


From: Rebecca Ore
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
Subject: Another Hipcrime flood...
Date: 29 May 2001 12:31:53 -0400

"Any one who goes in and deliberately infuriates people and does
so for years on end, I really don't have a whole lot of sympathy
if it leaks out beyond usenet. Growing roses is part of the
real lives of the people in rec.gardens.roses. Some of them are
Usenet saavy; most are not. They're not interested in playing
flamer games; they're interested in meeting other rose group
people.

Someone decided a group dedicated to discussing roses was so
rude to her that she had to destroy it.

And has been so obscessed with the group that she's hammered on
it for over two years. The people I know think that the one
thing that keeps the stalking from becoming something like David
D'Amato's stalking is that they do know who the person is in
RL."

I don't I blame them for thinking this. They're not despammers,
they're not abuse fighters, they don't hang out in the flame
groups. They didn't volunteer to have their lives invaded by the
levels of crap they've had hit them. If someone wanted to
vandalize their newsgroup for years on end, would it stop with
just vandalizing their Usenet space, or would this go to
vandalizing more than that?

And why should they believe in flamer ethics?

Maybe the boundaries were firmer than they thought, but I
believe this person was capable of going further. Given that
the person has decided she had the right to destroy a Usenet Big
Eight group because people who were using it at a given point in
time were rude to her, I can see why they might have worried
that the activities wouldn't stop with binary floods, text
floods, and, as it appears, NewsAgent runs.

If a person is willing to back away from condoning these things,
stops posting addresses of people and their spouses, and plays
better, even if not completely nice, I am in favor of giving
them additional chances. But "I'm going to run NewsAgent here
because they were rude to me" isn't acceptable to me.


--------end copy&paste----------

Some very good advice from NANAU. Any group that Nancy
becomes involved in turns into a troll haven. Now, 5 years
later, RGR hasn't really recovered from the mess it was when
Nancy was actively involved. Do you want the cat groups to
become like that?

Read the whole thread. Good read.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?T2945617B


From: Rebecca Ore
Subject: Whatever you call it, how can we stop it?
Date: 2000/07/31
Message-ID: #1/1
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet

Stephen K. Gielda writes:

[Stephen's full post is pasted in because it's important here]
If you post headers I'm sure someone will translate them for
you. But I poked my head into that newsgroup and from what it
looks like you will never get rid of them.

The reason: No one can sit on their fingers and ignore them,
everyone has to respond. What that does is escalate it and
invite more trolls. It's so bad it is hard to tell who is
trolling who and I'm sure that is what any isp you complain too
is going to see. If you want it to stop you have to get the
group to stop responding.

It's amazing, a simple concept but so many groups are truly
incapable of not responding. For that they bring it on
themselves.

Rec.garden.roses is one of the most studied news groups by
trollogists and trolls of any on Usenet. I've seen 5 page
reports on the dynamics there. The irony is that a group of
rosarians decided that the place was their social home, not a
place for random strangers to ask newbie questions about roses.
Discussions of everyone's pets were preferable to having messy
neos tracking around the place. Running neos off worked until
one proved to be a troll with roses.

The group worked very hard to get its new playmates, and was
told from the beginning (last year) that the only cure was to
not respond to trolls and not to run off newbies who were
interrupting their conversations about their golf games to ask
rose questions.




--
Cheryl

"The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited
breath."
- W.C. Fields

Cheryl wrote:

Putting it back in the archives.





On Tue 19 Jul 2005 09:28:39p, Karma wrote in
rec.pets.cats.health+behav
(news:1121822922.17be3972bc4d4cc05c7ccecfca6b6249@ teranews):

As a witness to the destruction and devistation that occurred
years ago in rec.gardens.roses, I was quite interested to see
what was happening when I was made aware that an eerily similar
situation was happening in some of the cat groups. It only took
a few moments to verify that the poster responsible for all of
the garbage in the cats groups is the very same troll that
invaded the rose group so long ago.





These facts are posted as a public service so that you know what
you're dealing with, especially if you plan on complaining to
"Mary's" ISPs. *ALL* of the following information is public
domain and was very easy to find.

Mary S aka Nancy Carter Moore (and many more Usenet IDs, as
you'll see) is a seasoned Usenet troll. You be the judge. This
information is being shared with you to let you know that her
mission since 1998 is to destroy newsgroups. Particularly groups
in the Big Eight hierarchy. She has a problem with groups that
she feels are a social group and sets out to make it her own
private chat by bringing in troll friends to destroy it. If
you've been reading this group for any length of time, the
perpetrator should be obvious. She has already threatened to do
the same thing to rec.pets.cats.anecdotes and rec.food.cooking
now that she's been successful in rec.pets.cats.health&behav,
and before that, rec.gardens.roses.

Her antics in 2 Big Eight groups over what looks to be the last
few years (rec.pets.cats.health+behav & rec.pets.cats.anecdotes)
have resulted in history repeating itself. Nancy's only goal is
to disrupt, turn regular posters against one another, and make
the groups unreadable. She thrives on discontent and hatred. It
seems that Nancy found this hard to do in rpca because it
appears that the regulars have a "different" -and EFFECTIVE- way
of dealing with trolls, and it seems she was actually liked by a
few (who apparently hadn't seen the vicious side she showed on
the other cat group). In rpch&b this obviously hasn't been the
case. Since rpch&b looks to be borderline volatile, it was easy
for her to disrupt by making "friends" with those who agree with
her and making enemies of those she decides not to approve of,
bring in outside troll friends, and then set in motion the
wheels that spin her hatred, anger and unhappy life even more.
This behavior is the same behavior that she's exhibited for
years, as is evident in the quotes here.

The links that follow prove that Mary has posted under numerous
names, email addresses and accounts over the last several years.

Some of "Mary"/Nancy's IDs and sock puppets. There are probably
many mo

Mary:




Celeste Meadowbrook / Joan Hunter:



http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2C536D6B

Shiva:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?T1572117B
lid





Some of the links referenced below prove her identity based on
the content of what she's posted, some prove it because of the
common phrases she uses no matter "who" she is posting as. She
delights in posting personal information of others and seems to
think she is untouchable with regard to her own personal
information. Her's are all listed at the bottom of this article.


The following links are irrefutable evidence that Mary, Celeste,
Shiva, Joan, etc are all really Nancy Carter Moore trolling
Usenet under different names for literally years.


***Disclaimer***
All cited references from Google are linked using the service of
makeashorterlink.com. If you click a link, you have the
opportunity to close the window before the final source URL is
loaded.
***/Disclaimer***

---------------------------------------

These are some very recent threats made by Mary aka Nancy Carter
Moore. Hiding behind anonymous news servers doesn't make one as
anonymous as one might think, though it may make them bold
enough to make threats like these:


http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1E42517B


From: "Mary"
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav
References: ThFAe.113936$yV4.97240@okepread03
Subject: In Support of Monica Towle, Animal Abuse Advocate
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:12:12 -0400
Message-ID:

There is not much I can do, but I tend to be resourceful so the
parties involved may rest assured that I will do everything I
can to see that this intolerable, cruel, and abusive situation
is resolved as soon as possible. Happily, the identities of the
parties involved are a matter of public record.

Dan Mahoney, his wife Nancy Mahoney, and Monica Towles will be
held responsible for what happens to this cat.


--------end copy&paste----------

Another recent threat

http://makeashorterlink.com/?X3F42317B

From: "Mary"
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
Subject: Don't be fooled...
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:20:59 -0400
Message-ID:

Those of you who are telling me to "take this offline" had
better think about what you are saying. It really is not a good
idea.


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Now she is threatening to destroy rec.pets.cats.anecdotes - a
perfectly friendly group; an anomaly on Usenet - by bringing in
newly created troublemakers and a few old troll friends.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?R2053417B


From: "Mary"
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav,rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
Subject: Conan adopted by triple-PhD family with 12,000 sq.
ft. home! Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 15:53:48 -0400
Message-ID:

"Candace" wrote in message
oups.com...

Charlie Wilkes wrote:

That is the issue that gives rise to my continuing interest
in Dan's Usenet career. Rather than be upset, I think it
is better just to hang out in RPCA and warn newbies about
what a ****head Dan is. It will be fun and entertaining.

Only problem with that is there are hardly any newbies in the
Stepford Group. Their clique-y-ness and inside jokes/info
make it user-unfriendly to most new people who venture in
there.


But you know, this could change. It may be time for it to
change. It is never good for people to get to proprietary over
newsgroups. One would not want the sweet people at anecdotes to
truly believe that they have a right to control the content of
the group. That would not be fair to them. It would only mean a
ruder awakening later on. There are, after all, anecdotes about
cats in many groups. We wouldn't want the rpca folks to miss
any.

Another thought: when they post recipes, I think we should
share them with the cooking groups! We could make many
more people happy this way!

Spreading happiness is a good thing. I am feeling happier
already.


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History

The groups that Mary, I mean Nancy has trolled are varied and
diverse, including rec.gardens.roses, alt.suicide.holiday,
alt.hahaha, alt.genealogy. Her "home" group was alt.troll.

How did this outing get started? Read the following post and
you'll see how Mary outed herself. Her beloved Gnarly is now
over the rainbow bridge, but Buddha is alive and well. Remember
the name of her friend Suzanne. It will be important later:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?D1F551D6B


From: Celeste
Subject: Roses from Paradise
Date: 1999/10/28
Message-ID: #1/1
Newsgroups: rec.gardens.roses

Hey, Suzanne, I'm amazed, Scentimental, Octoberfest, Nicole and
Jude the Obscure all arrived this morning, and you just mailed
them Tues. afternoon!! They are in great shape, all handling
parties apparently heeded your "this end up" commands, and they
will be in the ground by Saturday morning. (I have meetings and
a lonnng fundraiser/dinner tonight, but they get first priority
tomorrow.) Buddha and Gnarly thank you for the gourmet tidbits,
also. By the way, did you know that you left one of your bakery
aprons in the bottom of the box? I'm guessing that was a
chocolate eclair day?

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"Mary" got her start posting to alt.hahaha in 1998 as Nancy
Carter, her real name, well, maiden name. Here under her real
name are also her first posts to the genealogy groups --
alt.genealogy.methods and alt.genealogy. Her work is research
for genealogy. At first glance she seems like a pleasant poster.
There are too many of her posts to go through during the brief
months that she posted as Nancy Carter
to see exactly why she wasn't
considered a pleasant poster, but notice that many other members
have decided that her behavior is trollish:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?X14523D6B

Even after changing Usenet names a year later, she still
frequented alt.hahaha as "Celeste" with the same venomous
attitude and sociopath behavior.
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Here we find her learning how to troll on alt.troll:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?S45523D6B

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We know she's a genealogy weenie from her posting history in the
genealogy newsgroups.
Nancy's resume:
http://genealogypro.com/nfcarter.html which now redirects to the
current ad):
http://genealogypro.com/ncmoore.html
If this has been removed, try archive.org:
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://...m/nfcarter.htm
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Here is a previous outing of Nancy Carter Moore from the
archives. Yes, she's been at this for years.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?L18523D6B


From: News Reader
Subject: Disruptive Troll Warning!
Date: 2000/04/17
Message-ID: #1/1
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday

In article , Celeste
wrote:


News Reader wrote:

Be nice or I will take away your meds.

Would they be the ones that Nancy's on? You remember Nancy,
Nancy Carter, Nancy Carter Moore,
(when she forgets to take the "celeste-type meds"?)


Oh!! You have me! That's me, all right. Oy!

Yeah, you never should have posted from those "clear" AT&T
modems in Raleigh back in March. Eventually you all trip
yourselves up (even changing to your married name in, oh, when
was it? March, April 98?)


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http://makeashorterlink.com/?N57512D6B


"Part 1: After kicking the rose people, the 'fat' people, the
cat people, the teeny-bopper people, the wienie-chopper people,
the comedy people, the suicide people, the troll people, the
depressed people, and only DEJA knows what OTHER people for year
after year.....and THEN being OUTED....then being
EXPOSED...........then being DRAGGED OUT from the wall of
altopia anonymity you are still PATHETICALLY CLINGING TO, you
cannot just one day come clean and ALL IS FORGIVEN just because
you tell STILL ANOTHER LIE. No, Madame Bitterfly, things don't
work that way. The chickens have come home to roost!!! "


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Trolling suicidal people is another of Nancy's favorite
pasttimes:

While ASH isn't a suicide support group, it is frequented
by teens and others that are either suicidal, or curious about
the act. "Celeste" has been quoted as "egging on" a suicidal
person to complete the act.

There are many more like this one:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?L2A512D6B


From: Celeste
Subject: Suicide partner
Date: 2000/02/09
Message-ID: #1/1
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday

Hello a.s.h. readers,

This is my first posting to this newsgroup, so if this message
is inappropriate for this group, please accept my apologies.
Also, this message is only for people determined to kill
themselves, so if this is not your desire, you can stop reading
now.

I am planning on committing suicide, and I've been thinking
about this for quite some time (years), it's not some impulse
decision. But, and this may sound a bit bizarre to some I
guess, I would like to do this together with someone else. So,
if someone else has similar wishes, please get in touch with
me. I live in Norway, so it would be best if you live somewhere
near (by this I mean Northern Europe, I am willing to do some
travelling / alternatively pay for your ticket to get here, if
funds are tight)

Any serious replies are welcome, send me a mail and we can
arrange it. Do-gooders and trolls, save yourself the trouble
and go on to the next posting.

Yours,
Dan


You are really ****ed up, and a wusssssss, too.


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After doing some digging I discovered that she resumed her
trolling to the genealogy groups as Genjunkie and Mary.

Near the end of the genealogy group era when she was basically
"ignored" out, she found the cat groups and posted for a while
as Mary but when she lost her Road Runner
account, changed it to Mary , and
then later to her current ID as Mary and
there was even a SPAM block in the domain to make it
just for a little mix. Mary S is for
Mary Smith, her husband (Mark) is referred to as John Smith.
How cute.

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From: (Tsunam5724)
Subject: Message for Theoni Kallandra
Date: 1999/07/05
Message-ID: #1/1
Newsgroups: alt.support.srs

Seven wrote:

I am sorry to hear of your troubles. I don't know if it is or
isn't the same Celeste that used to post here, but if it is, you
should know that she won the KoTm award last July or August
(usenet Kook of the Month).

heheh, that news does not surprise us in the least. And believe
me, it _is_ the very same Celeste - we've read through a number
of her posts on this group (under the screen
name), and can verify this is the same person - well versed, but
totally crazy.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
It's incredible how such an insane person as this "Celeste" can
actually be permitted to give advice to new transexual's. IMO,
the last thing people need...those who are struggling with
identity problems or whatever....is an insane creature such as
"Celeste" in their life. Anyway, Seven - we thank you for your
help and concern.


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Nancy and her troll friends have often been the subject of
conversations at the NANAU news group.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?H2E542D6B


From: Rebecca Ore
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
Subject: Another Hipcrime flood...
Date: 29 May 2001 12:31:53 -0400

"Any one who goes in and deliberately infuriates people and does
so for years on end, I really don't have a whole lot of sympathy
if it leaks out beyond usenet. Growing roses is part of the
real lives of the people in rec.gardens.roses. Some of them are
Usenet saavy; most are not. They're not interested in playing
flamer games; they're interested in meeting other rose group
people.

Someone decided a group dedicated to discussing roses was so
rude to her that she had to destroy it.

And has been so obscessed with the group that she's hammered on
it for over two years. The people I know think that the one
thing that keeps the stalking from becoming something like David
D'Amato's stalking is that they do know who the person is in
RL."

I don't I blame them for thinking this. They're not despammers,
they're not abuse fighters, they don't hang out in the flame
groups. They didn't volunteer to have their lives invaded by the
levels of crap they've had hit them. If someone wanted to
vandalize their newsgroup for years on end, would it stop with
just vandalizing their Usenet space, or would this go to
vandalizing more than that?

And why should they believe in flamer ethics?

Maybe the boundaries were firmer than they thought, but I
believe this person was capable of going further. Given that
the person has decided she had the right to destroy a Usenet Big
Eight group because people who were using it at a given point in
time were rude to her, I can see why they might have worried
that the activities wouldn't stop with binary floods, text
floods, and, as it appears, NewsAgent runs.

If a person is willing to back away from condoning these things,
stops posting addresses of people and their spouses, and plays
better, even if not completely nice, I am in favor of giving
them additional chances. But "I'm going to run NewsAgent here
because they were rude to me" isn't acceptable to me.


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Some very good advice from NANAU. Any group that Nancy
becomes involved in turns into a troll haven. Now, 5 years
later, RGR hasn't really recovered from the mess it was when
Nancy was actively involved. Do you want the cat groups to
become like that?

Read the whole thread. Good read.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?T2945617B


From: Rebecca Ore
Subject: Whatever you call it, how can we stop it?
Date: 2000/07/31
Message-ID: #1/1
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet

Stephen K. Gielda writes:

[Stephen's full post is pasted in because it's important here]
If you post headers I'm sure someone will translate them for
you. But I poked my head into that newsgroup and from what it
looks like you will never get rid of them.

The reason: No one can sit on their fingers and ignore them,
everyone has to respond. What that does is escalate it and
invite more trolls. It's so bad it is hard to tell who is
trolling who and I'm sure that is what any isp you complain too
is going to see. If you want it to stop you have to get the
group to stop responding.

It's amazing, a simple concept but so many groups are truly
incapable of not responding. For that they bring it on
themselves.

Rec.garden.roses is one of the most studied news groups by
trollogists and trolls of any on Usenet. I've seen 5 page
reports on the dynamics there. The irony is that a group of
rosarians decided that the place was their social home, not a
place for random strangers to ask newbie questions about roses.
Discussions of everyone's pets were preferable to having messy
neos tracking around the place. Running neos off worked until
one proved to be a troll with roses.

The group worked very hard to get its new playmates, and was
told from the beginning (last year) that the only cure was to
not respond to trolls and not to run off newbies who were
interrupting their conversations about their golf games to ask
rose questions.




--
Cheryl

"The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited
breath."
- W.C. Fields


LOL! That's right, Cheryl, get her. Get that Nancy Carter Moore. What a ****.
She deserves everything she gets and you and I are just the ones to make
sure she gets it good.