Desperately Seeking Zeniquin

I also posted this on alt.med.veterinary.

I feel like a drug addict. I want to obtain Zenequin for my 17 year old cat.
He has mild CRF (most recently BUN 45 and creatinine 2.6, usually lower than
that but he was somewhat dehydrated at the time of his last vet visit on 9/18).
He repeatedly gets urinary tract infections. I know him far better than the
vet does, I can tell when he is getting ill. He becomes withdrawn, lethargic,
loses his appetite. This has happened countless times in the last 2 years. He
consistently always has either blood in his urine or the urine culture will
show bacteria. So, it is constantly costing me $200 to get bloodwork done when
I know for a fact that if he could be on abx all the time, he would not get
ill. He feels wonderful on abx. He is now on zeniquin 12.5mg, prescribed by
the vet, but when it runs out, he will get ill a few days later. Currently, he
is back to his old, active, chatty, hungry self. My vet is not willing to give
me abx prn. I am an adult, I have some medical knowledge, I'm a college
graduate, I can read on the internet. I know some vets will prescribe abx prn
for cats with CRF and chronic UTIs. I like my vet otherwise, I've spent a ton
of $$ with him, and I don't feel like starting all over with someone new. The
other day he finally said he *might* consider pulse dosing but, actually, I
don't think pulse dosing would be enough. I want the cat on a low dose of abx
permanently for maintenance. I understand resistance, etc., but he's 17 and he
only feels good if he's on them so why should he have to feel bad and die
because I can't get some abx? I see now that Augmentin (same as Clavamox) can
now be obtained at some online RXs without a prescription but I want Zeniquin
and I can't find that anywhere. I suppose I can go back to Augmentin if I must
as he tolerates that fairly well, too, but I am desperately seeking Zenequin.
What's the big deal and can someone tell me where I can get it? He also has
hyperthyroidism and is being treated successfully with tapazole for the last
year and a half. He does just fine on abx.


Candace
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That´s one expensive antibiotic! Recurring infections is a sign of
immune weakness, alkaline urine pH, and not enough urination. If he
were my cat, I would try to solve the problem with a high quality
canned diet (e.g. Wellness, Felidae, Wysong etc.), give him a raw
snack daily (beef or chicken), give him raw liver once a week and
supplement his diet with B vitamins. I would only resort to abx if
this didn´t work. Have you tried the online drugstores?

(Liz) wrote in message . com...
That´s one expensive antibiotic! Recurring infections is a sign of
immune weakness, alkaline urine pH, and not enough urination. If he
were my cat, I would try to solve the problem with a high quality
canned diet (e.g. Wellness, Felidae, Wysong etc.), give him a raw
snack daily (beef or chicken), give him raw liver once a week and
supplement his diet with B vitamins. I would only resort to abx if
this didn´t work. Have you tried the online drugstores?

Not a good idea. The primary culprit in speeding the fatal end of the
disease is high levels of phosphorus. The addition of the meats and
foods above would push phos levels *way* beyond what is appropriate
for a CRF cat in ANY condition. The phos levels on the suggested foods
range from 4-8 times the proper level for a CRF kitty. Urine pH of
6.8-7.2 is APPROPRIATE for a CRF kitty and is part of the proper
treatment for the same.

Not a good idea. The primary culprit in speeding the fatal end of the
disease is high levels of phosphorus. The addition of the meats and
foods above would push phos levels *way* beyond what is appropriate
for a CRF cat in ANY condition. The phos levels on the suggested foods
range from 4-8 times the proper level for a CRF kitty. Urine pH of
6.8-7.2 is APPROPRIATE for a CRF kitty and is part of the proper
treatment for the same.

We´ve gone over this before. If the cat has hyperphosphataemia the
owner should worry about phosphate content in the diet, otherwise,
there´s no reason to worry. As long as blood level of phosphorus is
withing limits, it will not add to kidney damage. And in my opinion
(and I bet my life on it), it´s not the phosphorus in the diet that
causes hyperphosphataemia but metabolic acidosis. To back this up,
some CRF cats on kidney diets and phosphate binders still present
hyperphosphataemia. So, where´s the phosphorus coming from? That
excess phosphurus is coming from the bones. 80% of cats with CRF
suffer from metabolic acidosis and that should be the primary concern.
Furthermore, metabolic acidosis is much more harmful to kidneys than
hyperphosphataemia. And finally, Hill´s *recommends* giving high
quality meat to CRF cats and the meat they recommend is raw beef
liver.

High creatine and BUN are also caused by metabolic acidosis.

"Liz" wrote in message
m...
Not a good idea. The primary culprit in speeding the fatal end of the
disease is high levels of phosphorus. The addition of the meats and
foods above would push phos levels *way* beyond what is appropriate
for a CRF cat in ANY condition. The phos levels on the suggested foods
range from 4-8 times the proper level for a CRF kitty. Urine pH of
6.8-7.2 is APPROPRIATE for a CRF kitty and is part of the proper
treatment for the same.

We´ve gone over this before.

So? Do you really think rational people will take your theory over the
recommendations of ACVIM Diplomates and just about the entire veterinary
community??? LOL!

....and cats fed reduced phosphorus diets *still* survive *twice* as long
(581 days).than cats fed normal phosphorus diets (252 days).


If the cat has hyperphosphataemia the
owner should worry about phosphate content in the diet, otherwise,
there´s no reason to worry. As long as blood level of phosphorus is
withing limits, it will not add to kidney damage.

..So the overwhelming vast majority of vets and ACVIM Diplomates that
recommend reducing phosphorus intake are wrong... and you're right???? LOL!
Just like your theory for dissolving calcium oxalate uroliths in cats with
*water*!!! ROTFL!!!

Studies in cats with CRF have shown that normal dietary phosphorus intake is
associated with microscopic renal mineralization and fibrosis and that these
effects are prevented by decreasing the dietary phosphorus intake. "You*
even cited the study! LOL!

And in my opinion
(and I bet my life on it),

I'm gonna hold you to that!

it´s not the phosphorus in the diet that
causes hyperphosphataemia but metabolic acidosis.

Hyperphosphatemia occurs in animals with CRF as a result of decreased renal
excretion If dietary phosphorus intake remains constant, a decline in GFR
leads to phosphorus retention and ultimately hyperphosphatemia.

..Remember your bet! I'll expect to see your name in the obituary column
tomorrow. The world for cats will be a better and safer place.

.Remember your bet! I'll expect to see your name in the obituary column
tomorrow. The world for cats will be a better and safer place.

I´m still alive. You have already showed me how much you don´t
understand of the things you read and the things you copy so I won´t
even bother.

.Remember your bet! I'll expect to see your name in the obituary column
tomorrow. The world for cats will be a better and safer place.

I´m still alive. You have already showed me how much you don´t
understand of the things you read and the things you copy so I won´t
even bother.

.Remember your bet! I'll expect to see your name in the obituary column
tomorrow. The world for cats will be a better and safer place.

I´m still alive. You have already showed me how much you don´t
understand of the things you read and the things you copy so I won´t
even bother.

"Liz" wrote in message
m...
Not a good idea. The primary culprit in speeding the fatal end of the
disease is high levels of phosphorus. The addition of the meats and
foods above would push phos levels *way* beyond what is appropriate
for a CRF cat in ANY condition. The phos levels on the suggested foods
range from 4-8 times the proper level for a CRF kitty. Urine pH of
6.8-7.2 is APPROPRIATE for a CRF kitty and is part of the proper
treatment for the same.

We´ve gone over this before.

So? Do you really think rational people will take your theory over the
recommendations of ACVIM Diplomates and just about the entire veterinary
community??? LOL!

....and cats fed reduced phosphorus diets *still* survive *twice* as long
(581 days).than cats fed normal phosphorus diets (252 days).


If the cat has hyperphosphataemia the
owner should worry about phosphate content in the diet, otherwise,
there´s no reason to worry. As long as blood level of phosphorus is
withing limits, it will not add to kidney damage.

..So the overwhelming vast majority of vets and ACVIM Diplomates that
recommend reducing phosphorus intake are wrong... and you're right???? LOL!
Just like your theory for dissolving calcium oxalate uroliths in cats with
*water*!!! ROTFL!!!

Studies in cats with CRF have shown that normal dietary phosphorus intake is
associated with microscopic renal mineralization and fibrosis and that these
effects are prevented by decreasing the dietary phosphorus intake. "You*
even cited the study! LOL!

And in my opinion
(and I bet my life on it),

I'm gonna hold you to that!

it´s not the phosphorus in the diet that
causes hyperphosphataemia but metabolic acidosis.

Hyperphosphatemia occurs in animals with CRF as a result of decreased renal
excretion If dietary phosphorus intake remains constant, a decline in GFR
leads to phosphorus retention and ultimately hyperphosphatemia.

..Remember your bet! I'll expect to see your name in the obituary column
tomorrow. The world for cats will be a better and safer place.

"Liz" wrote in message
m...
Not a good idea. The primary culprit in speeding the fatal end of the
disease is high levels of phosphorus. The addition of the meats and
foods above would push phos levels *way* beyond what is appropriate
for a CRF cat in ANY condition. The phos levels on the suggested foods
range from 4-8 times the proper level for a CRF kitty. Urine pH of
6.8-7.2 is APPROPRIATE for a CRF kitty and is part of the proper
treatment for the same.

We´ve gone over this before.

So? Do you really think rational people will take your theory over the
recommendations of ACVIM Diplomates and just about the entire veterinary
community??? LOL!

....and cats fed reduced phosphorus diets *still* survive *twice* as long
(581 days).than cats fed normal phosphorus diets (252 days).


If the cat has hyperphosphataemia the
owner should worry about phosphate content in the diet, otherwise,
there´s no reason to worry. As long as blood level of phosphorus is
withing limits, it will not add to kidney damage.

..So the overwhelming vast majority of vets and ACVIM Diplomates that
recommend reducing phosphorus intake are wrong... and you're right???? LOL!
Just like your theory for dissolving calcium oxalate uroliths in cats with
*water*!!! ROTFL!!!

Studies in cats with CRF have shown that normal dietary phosphorus intake is
associated with microscopic renal mineralization and fibrosis and that these
effects are prevented by decreasing the dietary phosphorus intake. "You*
even cited the study! LOL!

And in my opinion
(and I bet my life on it),

I'm gonna hold you to that!

it´s not the phosphorus in the diet that
causes hyperphosphataemia but metabolic acidosis.

Hyperphosphatemia occurs in animals with CRF as a result of decreased renal
excretion If dietary phosphorus intake remains constant, a decline in GFR
leads to phosphorus retention and ultimately hyperphosphatemia.

..Remember your bet! I'll expect to see your name in the obituary column
tomorrow. The world for cats will be a better and safer place.