kitten becoming aggressive

"MadHatter" wrote in message
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On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:07:59 +0100, "icarus" wrote:

For goodness sake, ... hit her. not hard but enough so she knows its
wrong.
cats are amoral, avaricious and aggessive. you have to train them.
gently,
firmly but don't hurt them tho.

they aint toys, they are animals. so dont hurt them but they shouldn't
hurt
you either.


hit a 2 month old kitten? are you crazy? i shove her away with my
hand occasionally, but i'm certainly not hitting a kitten, or a cat
for that matter. that's how they play, except theya re used to things
that have fur. try explaining to a kitten that we don't have fur.

-L

I didn't notice your original posting mentioning the cats age either

"MadHatter" wrote in message
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On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:07:59 +0100, "icarus" wrote:

For goodness sake, ... hit her. not hard but enough so she knows its
wrong.
cats are amoral, avaricious and aggessive. you have to train them.
gently,
firmly but don't hurt them tho.

they aint toys, they are animals. so dont hurt them but they shouldn't
hurt
you either.


hit a 2 month old kitten? are you crazy? i shove her away with my
hand occasionally, but i'm certainly not hitting a kitten, or a cat
for that matter. that's how they play, except theya re used to things
that have fur. try explaining to a kitten that we don't have fur.

-L

I didn't notice your original posting mentioning the cats age either

"icarus" wrote in message
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"Laura R." wrote in message
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circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:07:59 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
icarus ) said,
For goodness sake, ... hit her. not hard but enough so she knows its
wrong.
cats are amoral, avaricious and aggessive. you have to train them.
gently,
firmly but don't hurt them tho.

It's completely unnecessary to strike a cat to train it.

Laura


so once you have explained to the cat that its wrong and discussed the
morality of hurting others.... what do you do then ? I'm not talking about
hurting the cat, simply a clear indication of displeasure. My female cat
hits my male cat with her claws in to indicate displeasure so why
shouldn't
you ?

I have always found "time out" to be totally effective with my cats. Never
HIT a cat. It will only make it fear you.

"icarus" wrote in message
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"Laura R." wrote in message
.. .
circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:07:59 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
icarus ) said,
For goodness sake, ... hit her. not hard but enough so she knows its
wrong.
cats are amoral, avaricious and aggessive. you have to train them.
gently,
firmly but don't hurt them tho.

It's completely unnecessary to strike a cat to train it.

Laura


so once you have explained to the cat that its wrong and discussed the
morality of hurting others.... what do you do then ? I'm not talking about
hurting the cat, simply a clear indication of displeasure. My female cat
hits my male cat with her claws in to indicate displeasure so why
shouldn't
you ?

I have always found "time out" to be totally effective with my cats. Never
HIT a cat. It will only make it fear you.

"icarus" wrote in message
...

"Laura R." wrote in message
.. .
circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:07:59 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
icarus ) said,
For goodness sake, ... hit her. not hard but enough so she knows its
wrong.
cats are amoral, avaricious and aggessive. you have to train them.
gently,
firmly but don't hurt them tho.

It's completely unnecessary to strike a cat to train it.

Laura


so once you have explained to the cat that its wrong and discussed the
morality of hurting others.... what do you do then ? I'm not talking about
hurting the cat, simply a clear indication of displeasure. My female cat
hits my male cat with her claws in to indicate displeasure so why
shouldn't
you ?

I have always found "time out" to be totally effective with my cats. Never
HIT a cat. It will only make it fear you.

"Laura R." wrote in message
.. .
circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:32:31 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
icarus ) said,
For goodness sake, ... hit her. not hard but enough so she knows
its
wrong.
cats are amoral, avaricious and aggessive. you have to train them.
gently,
firmly but don't hurt them tho.

It's completely unnecessary to strike a cat to train it.

Laura


so once you have explained to the cat that its wrong and discussed the
morality of hurting others.... what do you do then ? I'm not talking
about
hurting the cat, simply a clear indication of displeasure. My female cat
hits my male cat with her claws in to indicate displeasure so why
shouldn't
you ?


It's an *eight week old kitten*. A sharp voice and patience works. I
have a long history of cats who I have trained not to bite me or dig
their claws into my hand to back up what I say.

Laura


I see you try the same approach with people too.

I have cats and train dogs to obedience standards. I have exhibited and been
to shows all over the country. I am not talking about hurting the
animal..... just watch how your cat interacts with others, they commonly
slap others to show their displeasure without hurting the other cat or
getting into a fight. Its natural for them and well understood. I repeat, I
am not talking about hurting the animal, not hard, not violently but just a
tap to show displeasure.

I also point out that when I made the comment the age of the cat hadn't been
mentioned. ohhhh, by the way.. one of my cats was a full feral and is now
a happy home loving pussy so I must really abuse them, mustn't I ?

"Laura R." wrote in message
.. .
circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:32:31 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
icarus ) said,
For goodness sake, ... hit her. not hard but enough so she knows
its
wrong.
cats are amoral, avaricious and aggessive. you have to train them.
gently,
firmly but don't hurt them tho.

It's completely unnecessary to strike a cat to train it.

Laura


so once you have explained to the cat that its wrong and discussed the
morality of hurting others.... what do you do then ? I'm not talking
about
hurting the cat, simply a clear indication of displeasure. My female cat
hits my male cat with her claws in to indicate displeasure so why
shouldn't
you ?


It's an *eight week old kitten*. A sharp voice and patience works. I
have a long history of cats who I have trained not to bite me or dig
their claws into my hand to back up what I say.

Laura


I see you try the same approach with people too.

I have cats and train dogs to obedience standards. I have exhibited and been
to shows all over the country. I am not talking about hurting the
animal..... just watch how your cat interacts with others, they commonly
slap others to show their displeasure without hurting the other cat or
getting into a fight. Its natural for them and well understood. I repeat, I
am not talking about hurting the animal, not hard, not violently but just a
tap to show displeasure.

I also point out that when I made the comment the age of the cat hadn't been
mentioned. ohhhh, by the way.. one of my cats was a full feral and is now
a happy home loving pussy so I must really abuse them, mustn't I ?

"Laura R." wrote in message
.. .
circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:32:31 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
icarus ) said,
For goodness sake, ... hit her. not hard but enough so she knows
its
wrong.
cats are amoral, avaricious and aggessive. you have to train them.
gently,
firmly but don't hurt them tho.

It's completely unnecessary to strike a cat to train it.

Laura


so once you have explained to the cat that its wrong and discussed the
morality of hurting others.... what do you do then ? I'm not talking
about
hurting the cat, simply a clear indication of displeasure. My female cat
hits my male cat with her claws in to indicate displeasure so why
shouldn't
you ?


It's an *eight week old kitten*. A sharp voice and patience works. I
have a long history of cats who I have trained not to bite me or dig
their claws into my hand to back up what I say.

Laura


I see you try the same approach with people too.

I have cats and train dogs to obedience standards. I have exhibited and been
to shows all over the country. I am not talking about hurting the
animal..... just watch how your cat interacts with others, they commonly
slap others to show their displeasure without hurting the other cat or
getting into a fight. Its natural for them and well understood. I repeat, I
am not talking about hurting the animal, not hard, not violently but just a
tap to show displeasure.

I also point out that when I made the comment the age of the cat hadn't been
mentioned. ohhhh, by the way.. one of my cats was a full feral and is now
a happy home loving pussy so I must really abuse them, mustn't I ?

"Karen" wrote in message
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"icarus" wrote in message
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"Laura R." wrote in
message
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circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:07:59 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
icarus ) said,
For goodness sake, ... hit her. not hard but enough so she knows
its
wrong.
cats are amoral, avaricious and aggessive. you have to train them.
gently,
firmly but don't hurt them tho.

It's completely unnecessary to strike a cat to train it.

Laura


so once you have explained to the cat that its wrong and discussed the
morality of hurting others.... what do you do then ? I'm not talking
about
hurting the cat, simply a clear indication of displeasure. My female cat
hits my male cat with her claws in to indicate displeasure so why
shouldn't
you ?

I have always found "time out" to be totally effective with my cats. Never
HIT a cat. It will only make it fear you.



I agree it works well. My animals are not beaten, the problem is due to my
using a word that has been interpreted as something really violent. Perhaps
flick or tap would be a better word. My animals don't fear me or anyone. I
have adopted a lot of rescue animals over the years that have been abused
and I always gain their trust so I must be doing something right. I have
adopted two feral cats(I have one now), a Doberman, a rottie, a boxer, two
bullmastiffs, a ridgeback and several horses. I inspect animals for a
charity to see if they can be re-homed and have taken several that couldn't
be re-homed elsewhere and would have been euthanased otherwise. As I say
they aren't afraid of me.

"Karen" wrote in message
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"icarus" wrote in message
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"Laura R." wrote in
message
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circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:07:59 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
icarus ) said,
For goodness sake, ... hit her. not hard but enough so she knows
its
wrong.
cats are amoral, avaricious and aggessive. you have to train them.
gently,
firmly but don't hurt them tho.

It's completely unnecessary to strike a cat to train it.

Laura


so once you have explained to the cat that its wrong and discussed the
morality of hurting others.... what do you do then ? I'm not talking
about
hurting the cat, simply a clear indication of displeasure. My female cat
hits my male cat with her claws in to indicate displeasure so why
shouldn't
you ?

I have always found "time out" to be totally effective with my cats. Never
HIT a cat. It will only make it fear you.



I agree it works well. My animals are not beaten, the problem is due to my
using a word that has been interpreted as something really violent. Perhaps
flick or tap would be a better word. My animals don't fear me or anyone. I
have adopted a lot of rescue animals over the years that have been abused
and I always gain their trust so I must be doing something right. I have
adopted two feral cats(I have one now), a Doberman, a rottie, a boxer, two
bullmastiffs, a ridgeback and several horses. I inspect animals for a
charity to see if they can be re-homed and have taken several that couldn't
be re-homed elsewhere and would have been euthanased otherwise. As I say
they aren't afraid of me.