Stopping cat from using neighbor's garden as toilet.

On Mar 18, 4:08 pm, "cybercat" wrote:
"Baldoni" wrote in message

... deja.blues wrote on 18/03/2008 :
"sandy58" wrote in message
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Urgent tips required as my neighbor is a nice person. :-)
TIA.

Keep it inside.

But what if the cat wants to go outdoors ? It will always want to go out
at some point. It is only natural.

Bull****. It's an ingrained, UK specific fallacy, as those of us with indoor
cats know. My cats have window perches from which they watch the bird and
squirrels with great interest, but they *NEVER* try to get out or stand at
the doors. And both used to be outdoor strays.

If you are going to allow your cat to roam, understand that you do so at the
cat's risk. And don't come in here asking stupid questions like, how to stop
a roaming cat from eliminating in turned up soil.

"a roaming cat from *eliminating* in turned up soil.
You need English lessons, Cyber-PUSS! :-)
I pity your wife...if you still have one. AND your cat, poor wee
bugger.

My one cat wants to go out all the time. And he is one that I have had
since he was 6 weeks old and he has never lived a day outside. Go figure.
I do let him out....completely supervised on a leash.

My other cat doesn't have much desire to go out.

S.
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"mc" wrote in message
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Just for the record... I only ever had one cat in many, many years
that showed any real desire to go outside. She indicated to us that
she wanted to be outside by trying to run out every time we opened the
door.

She got out ONCE, and only once, and I did feel badly that we had to
keep her contained, because she so wanted to be outside.

On that one occassion she caught a Tufted Titmouse (a lovely little
song bird that we feed at our feeders), and she accomplished this task
within ten minutes of getting outside. Don't ask me how... but she
managed it! Pretty smart cat I think!

When she came back to the front to be let inside she had the bird in
her mouth.

She meowed to be let inside and the bird flew away luckily, unharmed.

Other than that one cat I have never had a cat that ever had any
desire to go out.

sandy58 wrote:

"a roaming cat from *eliminating* in turned up soil.
You need English lessons, Cyber-PUSS! :-)
I pity your wife...if you still have one. AND your cat, poor wee
bugger.

If she has a wife, she hasn't told us about it.

Rhonda

Baldoni wrote:

There is no need to get so touchy. If you want to imprison your animals
then that is up to you. But I hold that cats were living outdoors when
they were first employed by humans.


BD, domestic cats were created by humans. They still have a few of the
big cat instincts, but we have created a species that relies on us for
safety.

If your cat is pooping in a garden, the neighbors cannot eat anything
grown in it. Cats have a bacteria in their feces that is pretty nasty.
Any cat poo composting has to be buried far away from anything growing
to be eaten.

If you choose to let your cat out, you must already understand the risks
-- so be it. But your cat cannot be allowed in other yards, that is just
not fair to your neighbors. I only see two solutions, you stay out with
your cat and bring him in when you come in, or build a cat fence. There
are several websites on how to build nice cat-proof enclosures.

We compromised by building cat balconies out a couple of our windows.
The balconies are completely enclosed with hardware cloth, but they
stick out from the house into the sun. The cats love them.

Rhonda

I do not expect someone else to follow my standards. The choice of
whether to let a cat go outside or to strictly be an indoor cat is a
very individual choice.

This is a public forum and everyone is entitled to their ideas and
feelings. This is a public forum (just reminding you again)!

I would never expect someone to agree absolutely with me.

For me it is a very personal choice... I keep my cats indoors because
it is such a f---ing painful experience when I lose a cat! I feel
absolutely totally responsible when one of my cats dies. I do not care
to go through that experience again if at all possible.

Therefore, my cats STAY INSIDE.

This forum seems to be about taking RESPONSIBILITY for your pet, never
a bad thing when you consider how many irresponsible caretakers are
out there.

It has been proven many times over that cats who are allowed outside
meet with early demises. Generally they enjoy about 1/4 - 1/2 the
lifespan of a cat that stays inside for its entire lifespan.

There are many good arguments for letting cats roam as well. Would
human beings want to be cooped up in a house all day?

However, If you post to this group knowing how everyone else feels
about the subject and you post a post in contrast to the groups belief
system, then you are only bringing wrath on yourself and you are doing
it at your own expense.

If you truly want to make a point, I do believe you HAVE TO BE
sensitive to others feelings. That is the ONLY way you are going to
get anywhere, successfully...

Mathew and Cybercat have every right to their ideas (more so than you,
a newbie!!!) and anyone who knowingly DISAGREES is only trying to stir
things up. Ridiculous. You have not accomplished ONE SINGLE THING
EXCEPT TO STIR UP HARD FEELINGS!!!

Do you feel better? Keep fighting... NO ONE WINS!!! NO ONE!!!! Except
perhaps the group who was already established to begin with!!! So tell
me, what have you gained???

AAA +++ Rhonda...

Hey Matthew,

I have nothing but respect for you! Cybercat too!

Every "regular" on this board has only the best interest of the cat in
mind, a refreshing switch. Cats have no voices. WE must be their
voices!

These vicious, ridiculous and unworthy attacks by sandy58 are absurd
and unfounded.

It seems to me that "sandy58" is just trying to stir things up and
cause trouble. Nothing more, nothing less. She is not gaining ANYTHING
but HARD FEELINGS with her "debate".

To make matters worse, it appears that she already has some knowledge
of the general feeling this board holds as far as this particular
subject is concerned. It really isn't as if she stumbled upon all of
this "accidentally".

I am so glad this world has people in it like you and Cybercat.

Thank you for sticking up for our voiceless friends. AMEN.

chuckle I do still have a lot to learn about these usenet (?)
groups... hehehe

But thank you for standing up for what you believe in.

On Mar 18, 3:31 pm, Baldoni wrote:
mc explained :

Sorry to keep the post going; I just had to ad that...

Why be sorry this is the last bastion of free speech left in the world.
If you believe in your words then don't be ashamed to pipe up. I like
to think if someone does not agree then they should have the level of
intelligence to ignore the posts.

--
Count Baldoni

Last bastion of free speech??? That is funny! I feel sorry for you if
you see it that way.

Count Baldoni, why don't you follow your own excellent advice?

I don't confuse free speech with courtesy and respect for other
peoples feelings, that is sure.

So when you adopted your "pride and joy 'silver spotted'" did you try
to litter box train him?

Truthfully, I have no real feeling either way --- I can respect
someones ideas about wanting a cat to be free. I have no ideas that my
way is better, but I do know that I feel such a tremendous loss when a
pet dies that I don't want to go through that again --- I am not
willing to risk it. Too many potential dangers to the cat.

I do know that a cats life span is greatly increased by keeping it
indoors, and I have not seen that cats "miss" being outside when they
are kept indoors.

The idea that cats "miss" being "out of doors" is a fallacy. Some cats
do want to be outside... but I believe it is more of a personality
thing with the cat than a standard to follow.

Anyway, just some food for thought...

chuckles

Sandy58 --- since when did someone have to be an english major to post
to a usenet group???

The last laugh is on you!!! You are the joke!

Everyone knows it but you!!! hahahaha

"sandy58" wrote
"a roaming cat from *eliminating* in turned up soil.
You need English lessons, Cyber-PUSS! :-)
I pity your wife...if you still have one. AND your cat, poor wee
bugger.

That would be definition #5 below. You provincial louts just kill me.

e·lim·i·nate /?'l?m??ne?t/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled
Pronunciation[i-lim-uh-neyt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
-verb (used with object), -nat·ed, -nat·ing. 1.to remove or get rid of, esp.
as being in some way undesirable: to eliminate risks; to eliminate hunger.
2.to omit, esp. as being unimportant or irrelevant; leave out: I have
eliminated all statistical tables, which are of interest only to the
specialist.
3.to remove from further consideration or competition, esp. by defeating in
a contest.
4.to eradicate or kill: to eliminate the enemy.
5.Physiology. to void or expel from an organism.
6.Mathematics. to remove (a quantity) from an equation by elimination.