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New Puppy. Need Help. Separation anxiety.
We don't want the dog to learn that she'll get her way by barking,
scratching, and banging on the door. She needs to learn to sit patiently. I don't think I'm expecting a lot. My childhood dog just played outside as long as we left her out. We have a plethora of toys for our dog, both inside and out, and there are dogs on every side of our backyard with whom she plays. She just can't stand to be away from us. Also, please argue somewhere else. I started this thread for the sake of gaining knowledge, not for an internet version of the Jerry Springer show for dog owners. So get lost. |
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New Puppy. Need Help. Separation anxiety.
"MS" wrote in message ... We don't want the dog to learn that she'll get her way by barking, scratching, and banging on the door. She needs to learn to sit patiently. I don't think I'm expecting a lot. You're expecting a lot from a three month old puppy. My childhood dog just played outside as long as we left her out. All dogs are different, they aren't carbon copies of each other, clones. Dogs aren't inanimate objects, always available when *you* want to interact with them, but otherwise off somewhere, unabtrusive and waiting until you decide you want to be with them. We have a plethora of toys for our dog, both inside and out, and there are dogs on every side of our backyard with whom she plays. She just can't stand to be away from us. Dogs are our companions. Of course they want to be where we are. If you have exercised her, walked her, played with her, then let her come inside with you. She wants to be with her *people*, and not off in the yard somewhere alone. Once she understands she's part of your family/pack, she'll find a spot inside to take a nap. I have one dog who enjoys sleeping on the sofa downstairs during the day time, and one velcro dog, who will always be found napping where ever it is I am in the house. She see's it as her duty/job to take care of me. And I appreciate that. If someone comes to the door, she is right there beside me, letting any strangers know that she's here to protect me. It's a nice, comforting feeling. Give your girl time. She'll work out her days eventually. Like I said, I have one who is perfectly happy to do his own thing, and one who likes to be with me. Your puppy isn't old enough, experienced enough, to have developed a routine yet. Right now she wants and needs to be where you are. Some day you might appreciate that. td Also, please argue somewhere else. I started this thread for the sake of gaining knowledge, not for an internet version of the Jerry Springer show for dog owners. So get lost. |
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New Puppy. Need Help. Separation anxiety.
HOWEDY janet you pathetic miserable stinkin rotten
lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active accute chronic life long incurable mental case and professional dog trainin FRAUD an SCAM ARTIST, "Janet Boss" wrote in message ... In article , MS wrote: I don't think I'm expecting a lot. EXXXPECTING any successful ADVICE from these pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active accute chronic life long incurable mental case and professional dog trainin FRAUDS an SCAM ARTISTS is TOO MUCH {}:~ ( My childhood dog just played outside as long as we left her out. janet DON'T leave her dogs HOWEtside on accHOWENTA they'll ESCAPE and BARK CONSTANTLY {}:~ ( We have a plethora of toys for our dog, both inside and out, and there are dogs on every side of our backyard with whom she plays. She just can't stand to be away from us. NO. The dog is AFRAID of his ABUSER'S RETURN. She's exhibiting totally normal puppy behavior. INDEED? Throwing fits and hyperventilating is NORMAL? YOUR OWN DOGS DO THAT, don't they, REMEMBER, janet? THAT'S HOWE COME you couldn't "place" your "RESCUE" dog Rudy in a FOREVER ADOPTED HOWES, despite showin him to FIVE families, on accHOWENTA he's HYPERACTIVE {}: ~ ( Few dogs entertain themselves. That's ABSURD, janet. Dogs enterTRAIN themselves with LOTS of STUFF like chasin their tails, chasin shadows, chewing holes in their skin, escapin their crates, stealing garbage, swallowin socks and havin seizures, like HOWE your dogs do {}: ~ ) . Ooops~! And if you think she's "playing" with the dogs on other sides of fences, she's not. She's building frustration. ms SEZ her dog is PLAYIN and describes her PLAYIN. So, if it walks an barks like a doggy, it's PROBABLY a doggy {}: ~ ) Also, please argue somewhere else. I started this thread for the sake of gaining knowledge, not for an internet version of the Jerry Springer show for dog owners. Then you need to stop using Google so you can use a filter and filter Jerry Howe. Things get sane and lovely. Oh, you mean, LIKE THIS?: "Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a stern correction" --Janet Boss http://s181.photobucket.com/albums/x...mplyAmazingPup... "J1Boss" wrote in message ... He was next to me and I could see his neck muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye. Janet Boss "sionnach" wrote in message ... "J1Boss" wrote in message ... I can't imagine needing anything higher than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive dog like a Lab. An INSENSITIVE DOG??? I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9. Do you think the citronella collar is CRUEL cause the SMELL LINGERS after the dog's been sprayed in the face and the dog won't know HOWE COME IT was MACED? janet CONtinues: My dogs are not human children wearing fur- they are DOGS. I don't have anything against electronic bark collars, but they should be used in conjunction with actually working at training your dog(s). They're DUMB ANIMALS these MENTALLY ILL LYING DOG ABUSERS HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER. ------------------- LIKE THIS: From: Janet Boss Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:39:43 -0400 Subject: the one-dog two-dog dilemma In article , Shelly wrote: hat was a sing that I should be committed. I have a feeling that, as crazy as multiple retrievers might be, it pales in comparison to multiple Boxers. It's not a theory I'd personally care to test, though. Me neither! Yes, we don't have the sock thing with Rudy thank goodness. He keeps me just as worried with lumps (cells from one are out for biopsy now), has been a poop eater (past tense) and has his urinary issue. Their "joie de vivre" is pretty similar though! They're actually very good at being rugs when in the house and it's just me/us. -- Janet Boss www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com --------------------- From: J1Boss ) Subject: housebreaking in a multi level home Date: 2002-06-27 03:30:11 PST From: Rocky Nessa wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior: why does Franklin have to be on a leash? I think that Franklin's been naughty. -- --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. and apparently pretty sneaky too - can't figure this one out still! FYI - He ingested a mystery sock. Hadn't done that in well over a year. When he was a puppy we were very lucky - they went through or came up. We've done "sock work" with him leaving them alone, but mostly are pretty conscientious about not making them available. The risk is obviously too high. One of his littermates beat him to the punch with the same surgery, and his great grandfather had this habit until he died at age 12. My MIL was visiting (sockless!) and since he wasn't with me every waking moment as usual as a result, I can only imagine that the sock presented itself somehow while she was with him. He was a very, very sick dog. He had emergency surgery on Monday, but was home by Tuesday - we lucked out that the sock had advanced enough that they didn't need to cut the bowel. Once he was opened, they were able to manipulate the sock out his rectum. He thinks he's fine, so the leash is very necessary! He's got about a foot of staples on his tummy, and this was a very expensive sock! Janet Boss Best Friends Dog Obedience "Nice Manners for the Family Pet" Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com -------------------------------- BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAA~!~!~! FRANKLIN and JANET, ACT II From: J1Boss ) Subject: What can I do if I can't afford a behaviorist? Date: 2002-06-27 05:20:30 PST From: diddy Some dogs are really adept at getting out of things, even the impossible. Yes indeed. I crated Franklin when I had to leave yesterday. He's post surgical and needs to be confined and rest/kept safe. He is used to crates, has not problem with them and does not "escape" (mesh crates, wire crates, etc - he takes them all in stride, whether strange places or at home). When I got home, both dogs greeted me at the door. He had managed to bend the clips on the end panel of his metal crate (General Cage 204) and squeeze out the top/side of the end panel that has the door. The door was securely closed. THAT was NOT a good thing to do with a foot of staples in your tummy. He hadn't done it before - but he's not his usual self obviously. We won't be trying that again any time soon! Janet Boss Best Friends Dog Obedience "Nice Manners for the Family Pet" Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com --------------------- BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~! Subject: The crate escape - my brilliant puppy! 1 From: Janet B Date: Wed, Apr 5 2006 7:44 am Email: Janet B After Rudy came to stay with us, I got tired of running into an open crate door, so I bought a new crate, with a door that folds up and in. "can't be opened from the inside" says the ad. I always looked at these and hought "right", but for the last few months (yes, folks, it's been 3.5 months) it has worked great. Until Monday. That's when Mr Smarty-pants decided he knew how to open it. And greeted us at the door after 6+ hours of freedom. A chewed wastebasket lid and a puddle inside the front door (he loses it if very excited and yesterday morning I found evidence that a smallish dog had apparently "visited" right outside my full view front door) was all that was wrong. So yesterday, when I left for a short errand, I made sure to clip the door closed securely. And once again came home to an unconfined puppy. So, today, the crate will get clips on the door to ensure this doesn't happen again. I need him to learn that he shouldn't let himself out. But it looks like he's going to be allowed house freedom within a few days, and since he'll be 9 months old on Monday, that'll be the day. I'll take the next few days to put some shoes away and check out other things he may be interested in, and get out the bitter apple. My house is not exactly the neatest place in the world, and there's a lot of stuff that may be too available and interesting. We shall see. My puppy is growing up and too smart for his own good! -- Janet Boss www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~! From: Janet B Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 15:23:53 -0400 Subject: urinary leaking Rudy has a vet appointment tomorrow afternoon, but I thought I'd throw this out here anyway. Rudy has excitement urination sometimes - if I spend too long before coming into the house, he may flood his crate. This is generally only if I've been gone over 4 hours. He does not have water in his crate. Rudy sleeps through the night (10-6 or 7) and never has an issue with leaking then. He is housebroken and waits until I let him out. A few times over the last month, after I've been gone a bit over 5 hours, I've come home, let him out where he pees up a storm, then he is fed, out again, maybe multiple times (for play, etc) and eliminates normally. Then he naps. When he's sleeping, he leaks. Baseball-Softball sized puddle generally. Yesterday, I as home with him all day, gone for 2 hours in the early evening, and late in the evening, right before bed, he leaked again while sleeping. This doesn't strike me as an infection or even a sphincter issue, but it has me puzzled. He has no idea he's doing it and it doesn't wake him. Any thoughts? -- Janet Boss www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com ------------------------- Here's a other of janet's REAL LIFE IN PERSON "students": Subject: First Class was tonite 1 From: Nessa Date: Tues, Jun 11 2002 8:32 pm Email: Nessa Tonite I started Janet's obedience class. It's like NIGHT and DAY from the class Bagel 'flunked'. I was amazed at the difference and I am very glad Janet gave me the chance to attend her class. I can't wait till PK on Saturday. Nessa ------------------ Subject: Training... 1 From: Nessa Date: Wed, Jun 12 2002 9:45 pm Email: Nessa well both my kids are asleep one on my left and one on my right. Bagel has taken to running away every chance he gets now so I have to be ever vigilant. I have tried every type of collar around. Flat Buckle, nylon lobster claw slip collar, harness, gentle leader. Yesterday I watched him on a prong collar. I SWORE I would NEVER use a prong collar. He willingly sits to have it put on (as opposed to fighting me when I put on the gentle leader). He is no longer pulling on the leash when we walk. Currently he is doing his 30 minute quiet period next to my chair with it on since he is leashed and he is out like a light. So is Hannah. I tried to find them a place to play off leash tonight since Bagel has become a happy wanderer and I couldn't find a safe place so they didn't get as much play as any of us would like. I am doing my training with Janet and I am so happy. Bagel did his sit downs tonight without much fuss and Hannah watched from the crate. Then we let Hannah do about 5 minutes of sit and down. She's getting good at them. I have been rewarding with treats and tonite I didn't and they still did what I told them to do. with Bagel on my left with his head facing front and Hannah on my right with her head facing back I feel like I have the most beautiful bookends in the world. Life with a dog..... PRICELESS Nessa -- I don't have issues I have subscriptions www.nessa.info --------------- From: Nessa Date: Thurs, Jul 4 2002 8:22 am Email: Nessa On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 0:08:02 -0400, Jenn wrote (in message ): That aside, I crate trained both my dogs successfully, and used the crate to house train them. Bagel is so well crate trained that in the mornings when I make his Kong, he runs to the crate and since I am not crating him anymore (just confining him) but I am crating Hannah, I have to pull him out of the crate and he does not want to get out. BTW housebreaking with Janet is going quite well. Nessa ---------------- Subject: I went away for the weekend... big mistake 1 From: Nessa - Date: Sun, Jul 21 2002 9:58 pm Email: Nessa I went away for the weekend and I think my dog walker will never speak to me again. Bagel escaped from the kitchen and ate about 10 pounds of puppy food and proceeded to deposit it all over my house. He esp. liked my living room sofa which was my mothers as he pulled some cushions off of it and literally stood on it and peed. Yes I know my dog has issues and I know I need help. I think my poor dog walker needs therapy now. It was a rough dog weekend for her and not just with my kids. I didn't know until the last minute I was going away and NEXT time, the furbabies will go to furbaby camp for the weekend. It was too much for them. Well live and learn. Meanwhile, I'm still glad I went on retreat. My house will survive as things are not important. Hannah still loves me and Bagel will talk to me in a few days..... Nessa ------------ From: Nessa ) Subject: Where we stand/sit/down/leave it Now Date: 2003-09-17 14:14:51 PST On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:16:04 -0400, Charlie Wilkes wrote (in message ): Yes, it's a huge improvement over shoving them in crates at night. But why does Bagel have to be leashed? because he will wander the area (room if i close the door or house if i don't) and pee and bark all night long. but i said that already you must not be reading for comprehension. -- Nessa ========= Subject: Night time barking.. Help needed 1 From: Nessa Date: Wed, Sep 18 2002 5:50 am Email: Nessa Morning all, Bagel and Hannah are doing well except for night time barking in the house for play time. Problem is it that when I am trying to sleep esp. between 1 and 5. I CAN'T just let them bark it out (because if I could it's no biggie and I can sleep through it). My problem is that my next door neighbors (I live in a townhouse) don't appreciate it (and I can't blame them). If they are very tired after a day at the park they tend to sleep better but I can't get them to the park now everyday because it gets dark earlier. I try to let them run around a bit in the neighborhood with other dogs but it's not enough. oh that is when the owners and I are standing there. we try to let them all play under supervision. I can live with the banging (as Bagel slams Hannah into the wall or Hannah throws one of her bones down the uncarpeted steps and they waterfall down the steps (there is no other way to describe dogs running down wooden steps) I know a tired dog is a good dog. I just don't know what to do to hold off the barking. I know they are playing and all I can think of is the line from the kids book Go Dog Go (one of my favorites) is: Now it is night Sleep dogs sleep (btw the drawing is of all these dogs sleeping in a big bed on the pillows like humans with their party hats on) I'm at the point where I am considering a soft muzzle to prevent parking. Someone has offered the use of the shock collar to teach no bark but I don't want to do that. I'm too sleep deprived to do anything much. HELP!! Nessa -- I don't have issues I have subscriptions www.nessa.info 2 From: J1Boss Date: Wed, Sep 18 2002 7:48 am Email: (J1Boss) Nessa wrote: Problem is it that when I am trying to sleep esp. between 1 and 5. I CAN'T just let them bark it out (because if I could it's no biggie and I can sleep through it). What the (*&(*)(* are they doing awake between 1 and 5? I can live with the banging (as Bagel slams Hannah into the wall or Hannah throws one of her bones down the uncarpeted steps and they waterfall down the steps (there is no other way to describe dogs running down wooden steps) Baby gate. Door. Do NOT let them wander the house getting more charged up. I'm too sleep deprived to do anything much. HELP!! Nessa - I would seriously consider why these dogs are up at 1-5 and even thinking they CAN be! They need to be confined to your room, told firmly to knock it off, and have that backed up with some sort of correction if they don't. If all else fails, tether then away from each other, but honestly, if they aren't responsive to you telling them to cut it out, we're back to the "bigger issues" problem. Janet Boss Best Friends Dog Obedience "Nice Manners for the Family Pet" Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com Maybe she can't scream at her dogs at night? nessa CONtinues: A few weeks ago it started at 5:30 am and it has become increasingly earlier until this morning he started at 4:00. Ignoring him has proven to be futile, as has calming him down and rewarding him with a treat and, as a last resort, spraying him with water from a plant sprayer. This morning I even put him in his crate and took him into the bathroom with me as I prepared for work (normally he stays in a x-pen in the kitchen) but he only calmed down for a few minutes before the whining began again. A 1 year old should be hanging out with you. Overnight, around the house, and heck, even neat the bathroom while you get ready for work.. -- Janet Boss www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com Subject: Puppy license expires 1 From: Nessa Date: Fri, Jul 26 2002 5:57 am Email: Nessa Yep, she is pretty much housebroken so I let her out of the crate at night to sleep with me. But last night, while I was asleep she ATE MY GLASSES. It's my fault, I left them on the night table (where I always leave them) so I could see when I got up. I needed a new pair but I wanted to be able to get them without having to miss work. Now, poof here I am glassesless. thank goodness we have 1 hour glass makers pretty close by. Well she's crated now until this chewing phase is over. Hannah will be 5 months old next week. Any advice on how to deal with this other than the standard, no bite, here chew this, crating, etc. Nessa -- I don't have issues I have subscriptions www.nessa.info nessa's dogs got her EVICTED to boot {}: ~ ( From: Nessa ) Subject: Sad News.. I need someone to take my dogs Date: 2003-08-26 09:55:03 PST well I'm not BLAMING my job it's ONE of MANY things that I'm considering. As for returning them to their respective shelters, I don't want to split them up and I'm not going to give them to just anyone. Possibly because I am doing everything I can to keep them and drag this mess out as long as possible in hopes that it will work out. ============= BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~! Here's janet's "more positive experience" with a REAL LIFE IN PERSTON "student": Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death "Paul E. Schoen" wrote It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put down (his appointment is next Wednesday), Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death "Paul E. Schoen" wrote Hello everyone: If you have followed some of my posts, you know something about the ongoing story of Muttley, the large GSD/Chow dog I have been trying to adopt or place in a better home. I will add a bit more history later in this post. Last Tuesday, toward the end of Janet's obedience class, Muttley and I had just finished fairly successfully performing a sit/stay/come routine, and then he was sitting by my side. The final routine was to be a "down", which Muttley has had some difficulty with, and frankly I have not had the time to work with him much on that. I was kneeling at his side, trying to hold his collar while pushing his front legs down to the position, while he resisted. Suddenly he lunged, knocking me over onto the parking lot, and I lost grip of the leash as I reflexively broke my fall. Muttley took the opportunity to attack a young black male Lab to my left, and it was a very brutal attack. Janet and the instructors tried to gain control, and as soon as I could get to my feet I grabbed the leash and pulled him off. That was the end of the class, and the other dog, Bernie, was taken to an animal hospital for treatment. When everyone had left, Janet counseled me about what should be done about Muttley. She said this was more than ordinary aggression, and only intensive (and expensive) one on one training would have any chance at working, and in any case, he was not suited to group training. She advised me that Muttley could be dangerous, and she recommended that he be euthanized. "They can't all be saved". snip -------------- BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~! Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death "Paul E. Schoen" wrote snip If I did not have to worry about my cat, I would probably keep him, and I am certain I could avoid any more dangerous episodes. I probably would not have taken him to obedience classes at this time if that was not such a difficult issue, and if people here had not essentially shamed me into doing so. Then he would only be a bratty dog with a mind of his own, but he would not have been identified as dangerous. -------------------------- BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! Here's janet's REAL LIFE IN PERSON "student" paul: #2 - 6/05/07 When I was training him under Janet's supervision I was instructed to give it a ? firm yank as a correction. I advised you to use a prong collar, not give firm yanks on a chain choke collar. I hate the things. She was able to get his attention with just a quick tug, but I had to yank on it hard enough to lift him off his feet to get him to respond. Looking back now, I think it was based on his fear, which he had for her (as an unknown), but not for me (whom he had learned to trust). He wasn't afraid of me. He knew I was a confident trainer. Fear has no place in dog training, as I told you THEN. Janet It seems to me that applying stern corrections, by popping a choker chain, prong collar, or whatever, is a way to ensure compliance by instilling a fear of further punishment. Sure, if it is administered very consistently by a confident trainer, the dog soon learns to obey. There was no positive reinforcement, so what remains is negative. Also, I recall the time you were going to show me how I could get Muttley to take his rawhide treat from me without lunging for it. When you offered it to him, he refused to take it. This IMHO is likely a fear behavior. Things have changed a lot since then, and I have learned a lot, and Muttley has settled down quite a bit. I probably still give him too much freedom to think on his own, but that's just my way of doing things, and that's probably not going to change much. He may never win an obedience medal, but I don't think he is dangerously out of control, either. Paul and Muttley ---------------- "I thought I was told that the way to get the dog to go down was to make him sit and then step onthe leash. That was awkward and didn't seem to work. I will confess that I only tried the "down" position once or twice at home, and I also often used it instead of "Off" when I wanted him to stop jumping on me or elsewhere I didn't want him to be. I had to give him corrections every few seconds, and also just about kick him, to keep him at my left side. Muttley is really a very sweet and loving dog, but he needs more socialization with other dogs. However, it is very likely that I will have him put down in a week." Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death "Paul E. Schoen" wrote It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put down (his appointment is next Wednesday), ----------------------- HERE'S HOWE COME: Subject: redirected aggression Date: 4/11/07 "Janet Boss" wrote in message ... It seems I have been dealing with this a bit lately. Dog to dog and dog to person,, with dogs who are obviously overstimulated by what's in front of them. What's in front of them varies from people at the door to dogs in their path or directly in their face. The dogs in question all have very poor self control. I have dog(s) with not-so-great-natural self control, so it's something we constantly work on. We don't have redirected stuff going on, because we have enough obedience to avoid it. While I know that's the big answer for the dogs in question as well, I'm curious what things people have found useful to redirect/focus/gain attention from drivey dogs or just very distracted of over-the-top dogs. We're having success with my recommendations, but I'm always open to something novel that may be the hot ticket. -- Janet Boss www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~! From: (J1Boss) Date: 2000/10/06 Subject: Shina Inu Experts : Please help! Dogman, quoting howdy-doody: This is a young puppy, hardly a threat to a kat. See? They just cannot conceive of a cat, for example, scratching out the eyes of a young puppy because it didn't want to be bothered by an over-exurburant puppy (are there any other kinds?). ********** Jerry's never met a puppy, He's never met a RETRIEVER PUPPY, that's pretty clear. I have a wonderfully exhuberant retriever puppy - love every minute of it. My 17 year old cat, doesn't have quite the same appreciation. Sometimes, Franklin licks his ears and Robie enjoys it. Other times, Franklin thinks Robie's another puppy and Robie does not enjoy that. Without my supervision, confinement is only sensible (of course). I've got Jer-Jer kill-filed, but the glimpes at his posts, through re-posts, are good indications that nothing has changed. But if a crate is a "barrier" to training a puppy, then what must the walls of a SCHOOL ROOM be, eh? *********** and don't forget cribs for crawling babies, safety gates, doors, etc. Let's just open up the houses and let everyone run amok! Ladies and gentlemen, he literally counts on many of you being too damn stupid or ignorant to see just how little he actually knows about dogs, puppies, cats, etc. Don't let him, eh? Dogman ************** It's so difficult for the newbies, since so many of the people who DO have good advice, have killfiled him. Tired of refuting slander and general inaccuracies in his "they're all bad, I'm good" rants (without any actual training advice, as usual) is a reality for most. Are there actually people, besides Marilyn, who believe him? Janet Boss Best Friends Dog Obedience "Nice Manners for the Family Pet" So get lost. Who should get lost? Helpful people who are telling you that your PUPPY *needs* to be with you instead of being treated as a lawn ornament? RIGHT~! A crated dog is more like a nice piece of furniture {}: ~ ) Maybe you have the wrong group. I'm sure Home Depot or such has a lawn ornament newsgroup. They'll have a nice ESCAPE PROOF crate for your doggy~! -- Janet Boss www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com HOWE MANY DOGS HAVE YOUR MURDERED, janet? |
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HOWEDY tiny dancer you pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal murderin
punk thug coward active accute chronic life long incurable malignant manic depresive Sado Masochistic MENTAL CASE, "tiny dancer" wrote in message ... "MS" wrote in message ... We don't want the dog to learn that she'll get her way by barking, scratching, and banging on the door. She needs to learn to sit patiently. I don't think I'm expecting a lot. You're expecting a lot from a three month old puppy. That's ABSURD. Pryor to three months my student's dogs have started obedience training. By four months of age my student's puppys are ready to start protection training {}: ~ ) My childhood dog just played outside as long as we left her out. All dogs are different, they aren't carbon copies of each other, clones. Perhaps THAT'S on accHOWENTA your "individualized" "TRAINING"? Dogs aren't inanimate objects, always available when *you* want to interact with them, but otherwise off somewhere, unabtrusive and waiting until you decide you want to be with them. Sez you, tiny dancer? You're full of crap. "tiny dancer" wrote in message ... "Shelly" wrote in message ... "Luna" wrote in news:QXwRi.76780$1y4.12066@pd7urf2no: Yeah, but different isn't bad. Remember? That *is* what I said. Not different? Kind of worrisome. You might want to look around for pods. Anyway, I'm not at all averse to insulting people, when I think they're acting like total douchebags. If you don't understand the difference between that and calling people names, you might want to have your mother explain it to you. And *that* being said, I'm not even opposed to calling people names, but there are limits. I think names like "****" cross an important line. YMMV, obviously, but only if you are a total douchebag. LMAO. Perhaps you should post a list of what's acceptable and what isn't in that little mind of yours. Let's see, douchebag is in the acceptable column, **** is in the unacceptable column. Can we all say hypocrite. And who died and made you boss of what's acceptable and what isn't when it comes to insults? One persons *snide* different, could be another persons ****. td Dogs are our companions. "I already own a S&W, .357 and it's neither large nor heavy. It's a bit smaller, only six shots, whereas dh's holds seven. I've thought of carrying that, but would prefer something else. I'm looking for something to use against a rather large, aggressive pit bull, just in case. I don't think a small .22 would even make a dent. This is one of those block-headed, really wide-jawed, very muscular pit bulls. td " Of course they want to be where we are. "tiny dancer" wrote in message .. . Since I have two rather large dogs, both of whom I acquired after the puppy stage, I have to be immediate, firm, harsh when controlling bad behaviors. When one of mine displays a behavior such as the one you described, I grab them by the collar and take them down to their side, repeating NO in a strong, firm voice. And I keep them down on their side until they submit, relax, etc. Then I repeat the NO again before letting them back up again. Don't know if this will help you much, but it does work with mine. td --------------------------- If you have exercised her, walked her, played with her, then let her come inside with you. She wants to be with her *people*, and not off in the yard somewhere alone. Once she understands she's part of your family/pack, she'll find a spot inside to take a nap. "Although, when we first got Gracie, she was a bit dog aggressive, and I did grab her by her collar, shouting NO at her in my most firm commanding voice, and slam her down to the ground and hold her there. She weighs about 70 pounds. And doing that only a couple times, taught her dog aggression was not acceptable behavior. She no longer does it. But if there is a new dog present, and I have the slightest doubt as to how she might react, I make sure she is on a leash until I'm positive she won't be aggressive towards it." "I use my prong collars on the dogs when I do something like that, just to be extra cautious because I have a child with me. I want to have the best control over them as possible, just in case they see a cat or something on our walk. We do tend to see more critters out here in the country, and the dogs aren't accustomed to all that yet. Lots of people out here let their dogs roam freely, plus the cats, and we even come upon the occasional horseback rider. I haven"t had the time to work with them as much as I'd like yet, because of my ruptured disc's. I have to take it easy for a few more months per my physical therapist. Hope this might help you some," "Merlin, on the other hand, is the total opposite of Gracie. He constantly gives us 'the look'. He has a real attitude. When I call him, he gives me the "why should I come" look. The "I don't feel like it" look. He can be very frustrating at times. But he's big and goofy and playful, and we love him just as much. He had two homes before ours that didn't work out. And in some ways I can see why. He's a free spirit, a tease, a big play-baby. He will position himself at one end of the dining room table, and run me around it like a pro. He watches everything we do, in order to decide if he chooses to participate." I have one dog who enjoys sleeping on the sofa downstairs during the day time, and one velcro dog, who will always be found napping where ever it is I am in the house. She see's it as her duty/job to take care of me. And I appreciate that. "Now bo, do you remember what I told you one does if their dog does something objectionable? You grab it by the collar, put the dog down into a postion of submission, and hold it there until it understands it's place in order of the pack. And when I use the term 'pack' here, I'm not referring to four dogs. I'm referring to dog/human. And need I even mention the fact that these were Rottweilers/Chow mixes???? I think pretty much everyone here who know's anything about dogs has voiced their opinion about avoiding CHOWS. You certainly don't go out and breed a CHOW with a rottie to get a better PROTECTION dog. If I've forgotten anything else, please feel free to remind me." ----------------------- If someone comes to the door, she is right there beside me, letting any strangers know that she's here to protect me. It's a nice, comforting feeling. Newsgroups: alt.support.trauma-ptsd From: "tiny dancer" Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 16:12:18 GMT Subject: Why I'm so ****ed off at whats going on Hi Larry, It's okay, they can maybe catch a couple of us off guard for a little while but all they end up doing is showing us in some ways how far we've come in our therapy. Like for instance, I can't stand these women who say stuff like "I don't know if I could ever shoot anybody?" in that whimpy voice. I know I could blow away some asshole if they were trying to get to me in a heartbeat. I know I'd use the little Smith & Wesson my husband got me, but I sure do like to rack up his Remington. I like the feeling of power that sound gives me. He says it would stop a bear and I believe that. And that's why I like my big dogs around me. Whiskey, the ridgeback/ rottie mix has the grace and elegance of the ridgeback but the rottie jaws all the way and she hates men. It takes her a long time to warm up to the "good guys", bad guys forget it. She loves women, but for some reason men have to be around for quite some time before she accepts them. We think she was abused by a man/men before we rescued her because of her reactions to them. And you know those ridgebacks were originally lion hunters so she runs like the wind and has these incredible muscles in her whole body. But when her jaws grab something my husband can pick all 80lbs of her off the floor and she just hangs on to whatever she's got in her mouth. Murphy is only about 65 lbs, but very protective also, and the new baby, although only about 30 lbs right now, looks to be the biggest of all judging by the size of her paws. She's a little hellion right now though, teething and biting everything that gets in her way. She's replacing Coda who died last year. He was 120lbs of muscle with the lowest growl you'd ever want to hear, made peoples hair stand on end when you heard that growl. So see how far I've come with my therapy. I'm sure when I began my therapist didn't ever in a million years think I'd end up with a pistol and a pack of big dogs, but hey, he says whatever works for you. tiny dancer ============== "She's very much an alpha dog in her behaviors. I have to continually work at convincing her that I am the pack leader around here, not her. ;-) I always win, but she does keep trying to challenge my authority. And when she stands up on her back legs, she's just about as tall as me, 5' 5". So when she throws herself at the front windows, barking and growling, she does look quite intimidating to strangers." Give your girl time. She'll work out her days eventually. Newsgroups: alt.support.trauma-ptsd From: "tiny dancer" Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 05:00:48 GMT Subject: Highs and Lows Sorry to hear about your awful week! :-( And also sorry guys, I sent a blank message before this, just haven't had enough coffee yet to think straight, (and daughter just called, asked if **** bag could come back to stay today, so I guess I spoke too fast, grandma probably will have it on her oriental carpet yet! They are moving this weekend, that's why doggie stays here!) Anyway, Kat I'm really sorry to hear about your asthma. I know how that can be as all three of my girls had asthma. Two of them pretty bad. Sorry this has taken so long, but it's been a rough week! Yes, I said yes again! :-( She had my son in law, whom I adore, call. They brought **** bag over first thing in the morning, set her down in the kitchen and she immediately ran into my living room and **** on the oriental carpet again! Honestly, no lie! So that shot my *high* for the week all to hell! Then I got roped into watching her Monday again. I could just kick this daughter in the ass! She knows because she's pregnant she can get away with more. The house they rented doesn't allow pets, so the idiots went ahead and rented it anyway and when work people are supposed to come to the house I get stuck with **** bag! Grrrrrrrrrr Somethings gonna have to give because I'm sick of it already and they just moved in Saturday! ------------------------------- Like I said, I have one who is perfectly happy to do his own thing, and one who likes to be with me. Your puppy isn't old enough, experienced enough, to have developed a routine yet. "tiny dancer" wrote in message news:AHxRi. ... "Shelly" wrote in message ... "Luna" wrote in news:QXwRi.76780$1y4.12066@pd7urf2no: Yeah, but different isn't bad. Remember? That *is* what I said. Not different? Kind of worrisome. You might want to look around for pods. Anyway, I'm not at all averse to insulting people, when I think they're acting like total douchebags. If you don't understand the difference between that and calling people names, you might want to have your mother explain it to you. And *that* being said, I'm not even opposed to calling people names, but there are limits. I think names like "****" cross an important line. YMMV, obviously, but only if you are a total douchebag. LMAO. Perhaps you should post a list of what's acceptable and what isn't in that little mind of yours. Let's see, douchebag is in the acceptable column, **** is in the unacceptable column. Can we all say hypocrite. And who died and made you boss of what's acceptable and what isn't when it comes to insults? One persons *snide* different, could be another persons ****. td --------------------- Thank you for clarifyin that, td {}: ~ ) Right now she wants and needs to be where you are. Some day you might appreciate that. BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~! Newsgroups: alt.animals.dog From: "tiny dancer" Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 01:35:41 GMT Subject: DUDLEY AND DYLAN My daughter did bring the crates, but if you put Monty in a crate she howls and cries until you take her out again. I've been trying to keep her awake, outside in the fresh air, running and playing all day. She does get tired and sleep eventually, but so far I'm only getting about 5 hours sleep a night. She goes to sleep much earlier than I'm able to, and is up again much before I'd like! :-( Thank goodness one of my other daughters came by today and ran them around the back yard with tennis balls for a good part of the afternoon as I was so exhausted I just collapsed on my bed! Only four more nights to go, hope I make it. tiny dancer ----------------------- Newsgroups: alt.animals.dog From: "tiny dancer" Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 19:41:00 GMT Subject: Just unbelievable "diddy" wrote in message ... I think the reason the issues of protecting dogs are because, Human relationships always involve pain, diplomacy, hard work in building, conditions, giving, and often unbelievable emotional damage. A dog is close and personal. Their fur soaks up tears, They don't judge. They are the only being who you can share your true self. It's unconditional. You give little and reap such enormous returns .They would give their life to you without a thought. Such noble beasts being tortured is beyond such comprehension that those blessed with such relationships is more than the passionate dog lover can bear. Such injustice goes past laws that bind people by government or sense. It's something much more primordial than that. We all know by law, a dog is property. That makes no sense at all. it just doesn't compute. It's far MORE than that. I am a basically non-violent person, and I can think of only one thing that would bring me to the point of murder. This wouldn't necessarily be personal defense, family defense, but without a doubt, the defense of my dog. Totally agree with you here. And I think the laws should be changed. A dog is much more than personal property, they have enormous feelings and emotions. We who love them have seen their emotions. In fact I read somewhere that dogs feel things even more than humans. Some dog researcher, can't remember his name. When one of my daughters dogs died unexpectedly her other dog was devastated. Coda was a huge chocolate lab, way too heavy for her husband to move alone, so when we arrived at their house it took three grown men to carry him out. After they carried him down to our SUV her other dog Brandy went over to the spot where Coda had lain, sat right down there. I went to sit beside her and comfort her and as she looked up at me I saw a huge tear in each of her eyes. She knew, she understood, and she 'hurt' deeply. My own dog Murphy is very intelligent, understands most, if not all, of what's being said, going on around her. If you study most animals I think you'll find they share deep emotions. In my opinion they should be valued, shown the same amount of respect and protection under the law as we humans. I know my opinions probably don't conform to most, but I value life, any life, and I don't value a human life 'more' than that of my dog. If anyone hurt my dog I wouldn't think twice about shooting them if that was the only way to make them stop. She is just like any other member of my family. tiny dancer ----------------------------- Newsgroups: alt.animals.dog From: "tiny dancer" Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 05:16:46 GMT Subject: puppy cries while chewing toys? "weric" wrote in message ... we just adopted a 4 month old hound mix puppy (i think bloodhound and beagle) from a no kill shelter. he has a few squeaky toys and when he's chewing on them he whimpers / cries. why is that? could this be part of teething, or maybe the squeaking bothers him? anyone else ever have this? is it a problem? I don't think it's any problem, murphy does that sometimes. I always took it to be some show of emotion, who knows what goes through their minds sometimes. Sometimes, if she's got something really special, she'll pace around the house crying 'searching' for just the right hiding spot, as if hubby or I might steal it! Since she's an only child it's not as if some other dog is going to come along and 'find' it. :-) td ------------------------ BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~! tiny dancer's dogs are DYIN from STRESS INDUCED AUTO- IMMUNE DIS-EASES and self mutilation a.k.a. The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME as a direct result of her OBEDIENCE TRAINING: Newsgroups: alt.support.loneliness From: "tiny dancer" Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 04:28:40 GMT Subject: Beer So glad to hear Muffin is doing better. Just got home from the hospital today myself, no malignancies but I'm in alot of pain and can't sit at the computer more than a few minutes. Do we know what was wrong with Muffin?? Again, I'm so glad to hear about Muffin, I just can't tell you how much better that makes me feel. My own baby had reached her limit last night and was about to have a nervous breakdown without her mama. I was told she just stood there shaking, teeth chattering, she was a real basket case. Needless to say, she too is feeling alot better tonight. :-) Murphy is a lab/springer spaniel mix and she's 10 years old now. She had an ultra sound last summer and if at all possible get them to let you stay with her. I told them Murphy would be alot better if I was with her so they gave it a try, and we did just fine. She gets really "stressed" when seperated from us, but as long as I held her front half in place and talked to her, and a vet tech held her back half in place they didn't have to sedate her to do the procedure. She weighs about 65lbs. so she can be a handful. Be sure to let us know what they find, as I've really been thinking about her. Okay, my time is up, have to go lay down again. Best Wishes, tiny dancer ----------------------------- Newsgroups: alt.support.loneliness From: "tiny dancer" Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:06:09 GMT Subject: I misjudged Muffin Hi Nick, Our Murphy had pancreatitis a few years ago, and sometimes with something serious a few hours can make a big difference. Our Murphy girl pulled through, and I'm not saying that's what's wrong with Muffin, it's only that I learned how important quick action is in some situations. Dogs apparently can become dehydrated pretty quickly. They put her on IV fluids and she was hospitalized for three days in intensive care. We love her as much as you must love Muffin, hope I'll hear how she is before I have to go. Take care and give Muffin a kiss for me, --------------------------- Newsgroups: alt.animals.dog From: "tiny dancer" Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:21:51 GMT Subject: Foot-biter????? Hi Guys, Anybody have a better idea of what to do when Murphy chews a spot off the top of her foot?? She nibbles away until there's a patch about dime size where all the hair is gone. I put an antibiotic cream on it, and put baby booties over her foot so she can't chew it. It works for awhile, until she manages to work the bootie off. I try to keep up with her, but she goes and hides somewhere in the house because she knows she's supposed to leave that bootie on, so if I don't catch her right away she's able to chew a bit more before I can get the bootie back on. I don't want to try anything with alcohol or anything because it looks kind of raw and I don't want it to sting her. I was thinking more if anybody had a better idea to cover it than a baby bootie?? Thanks, tiny dancer ------------------ Newsgroups: alt.animals.dog From: "Diana" Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 08:16:57 +0100 Subject: Stone Going away tomorrow night & been too busy to look in much but Stone, as Murphy, does it for nerve / 'comfort' - a bit like I chew my fingers. she ONLY does it when she's unhappy or feels insecure, like when I'm not there or if say in the night she feels she may not be loved enough ~ sorry to 'humanise' her here but I don't know her exact feelings but thwe patterns are that obvious. When, as she is now, she's right there beside me she's the happiest, brightest & most.. well she's just brimming with love & joy and for the sake of me just being careful to prevent her from feeling bad / protecting her from herself when I can't be there, I'm not going to zonk out her normal, everyday 'brightness'. I had to go out all day yesterday, so collared her & gave her a big bone to pre-occupy her while I left. Unfortunately the collar fell off & she got her 'knee' quite badly. Pete got home before I did & he said she literally cowered from him - so the B******d told her off!!! These things don't help & I am battling every day to educate Pete into being a little more sympathetic.... I think I would find her problems easier if he weren't so quick to shout at her. -- http://website.lineone.net/~diana_pete.attwood ---------------------------- Newsgroups: alt.animals.dog From: "tiny dancer" Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 04:08:26 GMT Subject: Stone I'm still having a problem getting all the messages, but I read something about Stone chewing herself?? I have to agree here, I don't know why your vet said it would affect her quality of life. I hear all the time about dogs being on prozac and it helping alot. Murphy gets in periods where she chews herself too, especially the tops of her feet and her tail. It seems like certain times of the year with her, like fall time she does more chewing on herself. She doesn't sound as bad as Stoney, but my vet did tell me it was "nerves". Like once she starts gnawing away on a part of her, she just keeps at it. Sometimes I put stuff on her for itching, like spray some sort of benedryl product, the vet has given her oral benedryl too, to help with itching. We do use an oatmeal shampoo to bathe her and that seems to help. It's supposed to help calm the skin. Sorry if any of these things have already been mentioned, but I only caught a part of this story. tiny dancer ------------------- Newsgroups: alt.support.trauma-ptsd From: "tiny dancer" Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:44:18 GMT Subject: the jungle (trigger warning) Hi, I guess here is where one puts triggers?? Your experience triggered a memory in me of the same sort of situation. I too was in my closet, preparing for a move, going through boxes of things, sorting, whether to move or discard. I came upon a box I hadn't opened in years. My ptsd is due to an abusive childhood. So I opened this box and found a small red book, a diary. I kind of remembered the book, seeing it before. All of my early memories were repressed at this time in my life. So I eagerly opened the book to see what was inside. I began reading a page at random. I don't recall what it said, I just remember whatever it said triggered horror in me. I threw the book across the room, screaming, crying hysterically. I did that for a long time, until I was cried out, exhausted, then I mechanically walked across the room to where the diary had landed, picked it up, took it all the way outside, through the snow, to the trash cans. The waste basket in the kitchen wouldn't do. Something in me knew I had to get it out of the house. I threw it in the trash can, went back inside, and continued on as if it never happened. I didn't even remember it happening at all until years later in therapy. tiny dancer ---------------------------- Newsgroups: alt.support.trauma-ptsd From: "tiny dancer" Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 04:38:43 GMT Subject: Why I'm so ****ed off at whats going on "Ming the Mirthless" wrote in message ... "tiny dancer" wrote in message . com... Thanks Larry, you said it so well. Lots of us have similar triggers and different reactions. I know that "deer in the headlights" stance well. Frozen in fear. I wish I did that fight or flight thing better. If I'm in the right place I can sometimes do the fight, but if not the flight always escapes me, it ends up being frozen in fear. So many times I've opened my mouth to scream and nothing comes out, even the scream is frozen inside. I bet you give a good blow job though. Ming Ya know what Ming, I didn't really see how cruel you guys really are over there in alt war, but I see it now. We've got others here who might be triggered by this as I am. Right now all I can say is I hope someday somebody rapes you. tiny dancer ---------------- Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior From: Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 17:55:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: Melinda: Mushing in Ontario On Feb 3, 10:38�am, "tiny dancer" wrote: "Shelly" wrote in message ... "tiny dancer" wrote in : Actually not. �This would be a very large, very block-headed, very thick-necked, wide- jawed pit bull that is tethered to a run that doesn't at all look strong enough to hold my own Gracie. Have you considered talking to the owner? �Or do you really intend to kill someone's dog without giving them a chance to secure it to your specifications? Also, do you not have animal control where you live? Of course I considered talking to the owner, but since the dog is on a run extending the width of the persons front property, I don't see any way to accomplish that. �Since you are responding to a stalker to begin with, you should expect to not have gotten the correct info. �I was asking for info about the difference between stun guns and tasers, the rest was prompted by other posters and replied to in sarcasm. �I also had a number of responses of a poisoning nature which I simply ignored completely. Stalker? How about disgusted husband? Liar! Liar! Pants on fire! First, have a look at this map of the neighborhood and tell us which house has the scary dog, and why you think there's a "business" there. Second, you can find the owner's phone number at this site and give them a call http://tinyurl.com/23u5zh Third, you need to reread the thread. You are totally misrepresenting what was said. One person suggested chocolate - no one else even mentioned poison. And you don't recognize sarcasm, much less know how to use it. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.t...read/thread/91... � Yes we have animal control, but the dog is *restrained* on it's property, for now. �I have since spoken to two others of my neighbors, both also terrified that dog is going to get free. �Both told me they never walk off our road because of it. � The woman who owns the CBR said that is one of the reasons they don't confine their dog to their property, rather allowing it to accompany their boys, to protect them. �The other woman I spoke to also walks her dog and explained to me the rather limited route she has been forced to take in walking her dog because she too *accidentally* came upon this dog one day, just as I did. �Both of these other people also own dogs and are comfortable around them, especially the dad in the CBR family. �They all consider this dog to be highly vicious in temperament. � The property where it's located has a *business* of sorts. �It's obvious this dog is meant to *guard* that property, hence the long run it has. �It is able to run from one side of the property to the complete other side. There isn't enough traffic on that road to support a "business." You're just making this all up because you want some attention right now. ----------------- tiny dancer CONcludes with this self observation: So see how far I've come with my therapy. I'm sure when I began my therapist didn't ever in a million years think I'd end up with a pistol and a pack of big dogs, but hey, he says whatever works for you. tiny dancer ------------------------- STAND UP, tiny dancer, you pathetic dog abusin coward. You wanna HURT a innocent dog? GET THE HEEL HOWETA MY STAGE {}: ~ ( Thank you, Steve Wilkos, http://relinkz.com/Steve_Wilkos_Prod...ehavior_Manual |
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