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Vets and Canadians
On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:31:14 -0700, James
wrote: On Jun 18, 11:33 am, "Rene S." wrote: James wrote: Do you get a annual checkup for yourself? Health insurance don't include checkups. If you had to pay $40 for the MD to check an itchy insect bite, would you still go to the MD? Do you drag your pet to the vet annually just for a checkup? Just wondering how different Canadian vs American point of view on vets. My pussy only gets rabbies shots and no checkup. Except for spay she hasn't been to the vet. I'm not sure where you're going with this, but here goes. I get an annual checkup for myself. My health insurance covers checkups to a certain dollar amount. However, a couple of years, my previous insurance did not cover checkups, but I paid out of pocket to go anyway. Checkups are a small price to pay for overall health. Yes, I "drag" my cats to the vet for annual checkups. One cat does not get vaccinated, due to having severe allergic reactions to the vaccines, but he still gets bloodwork and an exam. The other cat gets vaccinated, but not as often due to recent studies (another topic). Both are brought in if a medical problem comes up. I pay for this myself, and do not hesitate to do so. I made a commitment to these animals when I adopted them. Where I was going is trying to get a feel of how many people like cindys for example would bring their pets to vet more often that their own visits to the MD. Also a bit OT is if people go to MD's needlessly. I already know that people demand antibiotics needlessly resulting in superbugs. Cats age quicker than humans so it stands to reason that they need more checkups in a similar time frame. Mine are young so I do only bring them once a year but that will increase as they get into senior years. What kind of health insurance doesn't cover routine physical exams? Doesn't the Canadian system cover them? |
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On Jun 18, 3:09 pm, bobblespin wrote:
I (Canadian) used to get annual checkups (yes they are paid by our health insurance) which proved important because they detected early breast cancer 5 years ago, and lately abnormal cells in my cervix. However, our doctor left town 4 months ago and we no longer have a doctor (along with thousands of other Canadians). Therefore, annual checkups, Pap and blood tests, etc. are not possible until I can find a doctor who is taking on new patients. I would gladly pay $40 to get a Pap test in view of my high risk, but I can't even do that. Lately, my cat is getting better medical care than I am :-( Bobble Can you go to a walk-in clinic somewhere to get a check up? |
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On 19 Jun, 15:52, James wrote:
On Jun 18, 3:09 pm, bobblespin wrote: I (Canadian) used to get annual checkups (yes they are paid by our health insurance) which proved important because they detected early breast cancer 5 years ago, and lately abnormal cells in my cervix. However, our doctor left town 4 months ago and we no longer have a doctor (along with thousands of other Canadians). Therefore, annual checkups, Pap and blood tests, etc. are not possible until I can find a doctor who is taking on new patients. I would gladly pay $40 to get a Pap test in view of my high risk, but I can't even do that. Lately, my cat is getting better medical care than I am :-( Bobble Can you go to a walk-in clinic somewhere to get a check up? Even more slightly OT, but it might interest you to know that in the UK, if you "don't" visit your dentist @ least every 6 months, then you find yourself without a dentist. They strike you off the list & allow another patient to enrol @ the practise in your place- Unless you can show good reason as to why you didn't turn up for your appointment . ( ie: in hospital ect) The only other way to get a dentist is to pay to see one privately on medical insurance. Our local hospital has only just got a dental department after 25 years!! Our national health care system is slowly going towards the way you all have it in the USA, & Canada too. If you pay, then you get what you need doing, when you want it, in a National Health Care Hospital, but in a nicer ward or a side room, with a menu to choose from. This of course means that there are less beds available for anyone who relies on the NHS for their medical care. If you rely on the NHS system, then you can wait for up to 2 years for a non medical emergency procedure. (ie: in growing toe nail removal or something along those lines).... As for our Pets, Yes, I DO drag them to the vet @ least once a year. No Pet insurance policies that I have found offer to pay for the privilege of taking them either. Most of them all have an excess clause written into them, stating that the cost of booster inoculations, the cost of the consultation & a few other things are not covered either...& the excess fee for anything else is around £50 ($100!!). this means that whatever treatment your pet might need, is covered, but you have to pay the first £50, & they will meet the rest of your costs as long as the small print doesn't exclude them. The moral of this story is, read the small print 1st, & choose wisely. S;o) |
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On Jun 19, 12:13 pm, sheelagh wrote:
Our national health care system is slowly going towards the way you all have it in the USA, & Canada too. If you pay, then you get what you need doing, when you want it, in a National Health Care Hospital, but in a nicer ward or a side room, with a menu to choose from. This of course means that there are less beds available for anyone who relies on the NHS for their medical care. If you rely on the NHS system, then you can wait for up to 2 years for a non medical emergency procedure. (ie: in growing toe nail removal or something along those lines).... I have no problem with that philosphy. People who can afford to pay should pay. The extra money probably help keep the system going. People are willing to spend big bucks for monster SUV's and their kids education. There's no reason they shouldn't pay for extra pampering in medical care as long as it doesn't lower the quality of care to the poor. Poor or cheap Americans cheat the Canadian system by posing as Canadians. Well off Canadians willing to pay, hop across the border to get instant medical care from the US. Many westerners go to India and other Asian nations for cheap medical care. NHS would probably work better if everyone has to pay something. Maybe 4 hours wages for an office visit, up to a month's wages limit for something serious. People making 10X more than me certainly can afford to pay $1000 a day out of pocket. |
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James wrote in news:1182264727.116570.43520
@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com: On Jun 18, 3:09 pm, bobblespin wrote: I (Canadian) used to get annual checkups (yes they are paid by our health insurance) which proved important because they detected early breast cancer 5 years ago, and lately abnormal cells in my cervix. However, our doctor left town 4 months ago and we no longer have a doctor (along with thousands of other Canadians). Therefore, annual checkups, Pap and blood tests, etc. are not possible until I can find a doctor who is taking on new patients. I would gladly pay $40 to get a Pap test in view of my high risk, but I can't even do that. Lately, my cat is getting better medical care than I am :-( Bobble Can you go to a walk-in clinic somewhere to get a check up? No, doctors won't do check-ups on a walk-in visit, but we can go there and see a doctor for small problems which pop up, i.e. infections, etc. Bobble |
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dgk wrote in
: On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:31:14 -0700, James wrote: On Jun 18, 11:33 am, "Rene S." wrote: James wrote: Do you get a annual checkup for yourself? Health insurance don't include checkups. If you had to pay $40 for the MD to check an itchy insect bite, would you still go to the MD? Do you drag your pet to the vet annually just for a checkup? Just wondering how different Canadian vs American point of view on vets. My pussy only gets rabbies shots and no checkup. Except for spay she hasn't been to the vet. I'm not sure where you're going with this, but here goes. I get an annual checkup for myself. My health insurance covers checkups to a certain dollar amount. However, a couple of years, my previous insurance did not cover checkups, but I paid out of pocket to go anyway. Checkups are a small price to pay for overall health. Yes, I "drag" my cats to the vet for annual checkups. One cat does not get vaccinated, due to having severe allergic reactions to the vaccines, but he still gets bloodwork and an exam. The other cat gets vaccinated, but not as often due to recent studies (another topic). Both are brought in if a medical problem comes up. I pay for this myself, and do not hesitate to do so. I made a commitment to these animals when I adopted them. Where I was going is trying to get a feel of how many people like cindys for example would bring their pets to vet more often that their own visits to the MD. Also a bit OT is if people go to MD's needlessly. I already know that people demand antibiotics needlessly resulting in superbugs. Cats age quicker than humans so it stands to reason that they need more checkups in a similar time frame. Mine are young so I do only bring them once a year but that will increase as they get into senior years. What kind of health insurance doesn't cover routine physical exams? Doesn't the Canadian system cover them? yes annual exams are covered - only 1 per year. The original poster was misinformed. Bobble |
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on Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:23:27 GMT, bobblespin wrote:
The original poster was misinformed. apparently on several levels... -- Lynne |
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On 19 Jun, 18:01, James wrote:
On Jun 19, 12:13 pm, sheelagh wrote: Our national health care system is slowly going towards the way you all have it in the USA, & Canada too. If you pay, then you get what you need doing, when you want it, in a National Health Care Hospital, but in a nicer ward or a side room, with a menu to choose from. This of course means that there are less beds available for anyone who relies on the NHS for their medical care. If you rely on the NHS system, then you can wait for up to 2 years for a non medical emergency procedure. (ie: in growing toe nail removal or something along those lines).... I have no problem with that philosophy. People who can afford to pay should pay. The extra money probably help keep the system going. People are willing to spend big bucks for monster SUV's and their kids education. There's no reason they shouldn't pay for extra pampering in medical care as long as it doesn't lower the quality of care to the poor. Poor or cheap Americans cheat the Canadian system by posing as Canadians. Well off Canadians willing to pay, hop across the border to get instant medical care from the US. Many westerners go to India and other Asian nations for cheap medical care. NHS would probably work better if everyone has to pay something. Maybe 4 hours wages for an office visit, up to a month's wages limit for something serious. People making 10X more than me certainly can afford to pay $1000 a day out of pocket. I have no problem with that philosophy. People who can afford to pay should pay. The extra money probably help keep the system going. Nor would I "If" it wasn't @ the expense of the quality of the care of the poor either. The problem is that it is exactly those people who do have to pay in the long run. When the richer can afford to "schedule" their procedures, it means that they get the beds in the very same hospitals as the rest of the local populous, thus leaving no bed available for others waiting for those beds & slots in theater. In fact there has been a lot of controversy about this problem recently.... We have the elderly being informed on the day of their procedure, that there is no bed available for them, & they are simply put back on the list to be recalled @ a later date for their turn. This is really unacceptable. When I said surrounded by controversy, I meant it.... (hip replacements, intensive care after theater ect) How would you feel if your uncle, grandmother, or parents got as far as the hospital, & even on the ward.. Had your pre op done, only to be told that there has been an unforeseen problem, so you can get dressed again, & we will contact you when we have the room & the staff to look after you? Because this is what is happening over here, increasingly so too... Now if the people who can afford to pay towards the expense of their health care, I have no problem with this idea either.. as long as it is in a Private hospital, because there are plenty of them, so why take away the overstretched beds from those who can least afford it? My philosophy FWIW, is that generally the people who are made to wait the longest, are the very people who paid national insurance contributions all of their working lives, to ensure that when they got into their old age, they knew that they had this system to support them in their time of need People are willing to spend big bucks for monster SUV's and their kids education. There's no reason they shouldn't pay for extra pampering in medical care as long as it doesn't lower the quality of care to the poor Again,. I couldn't agree more with you if I tried to....But the problem is that it is /@ the expense & quality of care for the poor... It all goes back to the problem of NHS hospitals seeing the extra wad of cash & the administrators thinking, "nice one, we could do with the cash injection". It makes the staff feel uncomfortable. They are also on the front line & have to cope with the people who have been kicked out of their hospital beds, to make room for the private paying clients on the administrations say so!! If these people can afford to pay for their health care, that is all well and good, but the people who paid for those hospitals to be built, are the very ones who are not receiving the treatment that should be theirs by right. It should most definately not be @ their expense... If I had the money to pay for private health care, I would, but I would also ensure that the hospital I used was a private one so that I wasn't holding someone else up that probably needs the treatment far more than I do..... Just my 2pence worth S;o) |
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On Jun 19, 3:23 pm, bobblespin wrote:
dgk wrote : On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:31:14 -0700, James wrote: On Jun 18, 11:33 am, "Rene S." wrote: James wrote: Do you get a annual checkup for yourself? Health insurance don't include checkups. If you had to pay $40 for the MD to check an itchy insect bite, would you still go to the MD? Do you drag your pet to the vet annually just for a checkup? Just wondering how different Canadian vs American point of view on vets. My pussy only gets rabbies shots and no checkup. Except for spay she hasn't been to the vet. I'm not sure where you're going with this, but here goes. I get an annual checkup for myself. My health insurance covers checkups to a certain dollar amount. However, a couple of years, my previous insurance did not cover checkups, but I paid out of pocket to go anyway. Checkups are a small price to pay for overall health. Yes, I "drag" my cats to the vet for annual checkups. One cat does not get vaccinated, due to having severe allergic reactions to the vaccines, but he still gets bloodwork and an exam. The other cat gets vaccinated, but not as often due to recent studies (another topic). Both are brought in if a medical problem comes up. I pay for this myself, and do not hesitate to do so. I made a commitment to these animals when I adopted them. Where I was going is trying to get a feel of how many people like cindys for example would bring their pets to vet more often that their own visits to the MD. Also a bit OT is if people go to MD's needlessly. I already know that people demand antibiotics needlessly resulting in superbugs. Cats age quicker than humans so it stands to reason that they need more checkups in a similar time frame. Mine are young so I do only bring them once a year but that will increase as they get into senior years. What kind of health insurance doesn't cover routine physical exams? Doesn't the Canadian system cover them? yes annual exams are covered - only 1 per year. The original poster was misinformed. Bobble- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Is it covered in BC? BTW BC still charge for health insurance and I think AB also. |
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On Jun 19, 7:06 pm, James wrote:
On Jun 19, 3:23 pm, bobblespin wrote: dgk wrote : On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:31:14 -0700, James wrote: On Jun 18, 11:33 am, "Rene S." wrote: James wrote: Do you get a annual checkup for yourself? Health insurance don't include checkups. If you had to pay $40 for the MD to check an itchy insect bite, would you still go to the MD? Do you drag your pet to the vet annually just for a checkup? Just wondering how different Canadian vs American point of view on vets. My pussy only gets rabbies shots and no checkup. Except for spay she hasn't been to the vet. I'm not sure where you're going with this, but here goes. I get an annual checkup for myself. My health insurance covers checkups to a certain dollar amount. However, a couple of years, my previous insurance did not cover checkups, but I paid out of pocket to go anyway. Checkups are a small price to pay for overall health. Yes, I "drag" my cats to the vet for annual checkups. One cat does not get vaccinated, due to having severe allergic reactions to the vaccines, but he still gets bloodwork and an exam. The other cat gets vaccinated, but not as often due to recent studies (another topic). Both are brought in if a medical problem comes up. I pay for this myself, and do not hesitate to do so. I made a commitment to these animals when I adopted them. Where I was going is trying to get a feel of how many people like cindys for example would bring their pets to vet more often that their own visits to the MD. Also a bit OT is if people go to MD's needlessly. I already know that people demand antibiotics needlessly resulting in superbugs. Cats age quicker than humans so it stands to reason that they need more checkups in a similar time frame. Mine are young so I do only bring them once a year but that will increase as they get into senior years. What kind of health insurance doesn't cover routine physical exams? Doesn't the Canadian system cover them? yes annual exams are covered - only 1 per year. The original poster was misinformed. Bobble- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Is it covered in BC? BTW BC still charge for health insurance and I think AB also.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Canadian health plans are on the provincial level, not national. I checked.@ http://www.healthservices.gov.bc.ca/.../benefits.html MSP does not provide coverage for the following: preventive services and screening tests not supported by evidence of medical effectiveness (for example, routine annual "complete" physical examinations, whole body CT scans, prostate specific antigen (PSA) tests |
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