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Royal Canin Indoor or Mature?
My cat's now 9 1/2 years old, is mostly indoors, has had two bouts of
cystitis, has luxating patellas which means she'll likely (if she hasn't already) develop arthritis. I'm trying to get her on a higher quality dry, since she's terribly inconsistent on what wet food she'll eat, if any. I can't get her to eat any high quality wet foods - the best she'll touch (usually) is some varieties of Fancy Feast. I was looking at Royal Canin Indoor, but I also see they sell a Mature version for cats over 10 years old. I'm looking for opinions: Which of these do you think would be best for Meep's health in the long term? Also, opinions on these two Royal Canin, vs. Science Diet/Hills Natures Best, vs Iams Active Maturity? |
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jmc wrote:
My cat's now 9 1/2 years old, is mostly indoors, has had two bouts of cystitis, has luxating patellas which means she'll likely (if she hasn't already) develop arthritis. I'm trying to get her on a higher quality dry, since she's terribly inconsistent on what wet food she'll eat, if any. I can't get her to eat any high quality wet foods - the best she'll touch (usually) is some varieties of Fancy Feast. I was looking at Royal Canin Indoor, but I also see they sell a Mature version for cats over 10 years old. I'm looking for opinions: Which of these do you think would be best for Meep's health in the long term? Also, opinions on these two Royal Canin, vs. Science Diet/Hills Natures Best, vs Iams Active Maturity? I do believe I spoke with Royal Canin and they have a vet on staff who might give you some opinions. He did not seem biased when I spoke with him. They own Waltham and IVD. My cat now will eat the better Fancy Feast Grilled Tuna/Chicken Feast which is about 71-74 kilocalories per can and 0.81% phosphorus, dry matter basis, in one sitting. Interesting. I also found that at times, not feeding her in the morning on demand, she will actually drink a long drink of water which aids greatly in preventing cystitis, the lack of water in a dry diet is a main culprit. I give some SD Oral or Light for the teeth. It's a tough call but one European research article tied dried food to crystals in the urine without much room for doubt. That said, I had one vet tell me he does not see cats on Iams or SD with cystitis. I don't know. I have seen cats thrive on cheaper dry food. But I do wonder about the companies who seem to have more research, for example, Science Diet will set the pH to 6.4 to 6.6 for its older cats which I like. Try finding that on more cat food web sites where they don't even list phosphorus content or calories. Phosphorus may be some you wish to look into. It affects bones and can increase bone problems if I recall correctly, which I may not. I am writing too much. I find being mean, if I set out a decent wet food, like a better SD or one of the few good Fancy Feast or even a very expensive organic food, she will eat it if I refuse to give her anything else. Sometimes if I think the food is fine, I will just let it out for hours and it's eaten by morning. I worry about bacteria so I'm careful with the tuna types but cat's generally have a gut that can handle bacteria. Of course, if she's older, I don't know. But so far it's been good with canned food. I was astonished that she will now finish a good quality Fancy Feast, most FF have bad specs, high phosphorus which is not good, in 10 minutes now. You can read previous threads on the handful of Fancy Feasts that have low phosphorus. The Science Diet usually has low phosphorus so I use the Light or the Turkey and Giblets, although the Turkey has higher calories. I probably talked too much but that's because I am not a vet and my knowledge is mostly limited to my immediate interaction with my particular cat who is a bit younger than yours. You might want to chat up some vets if that's possible. Although some don't really get into this. If your cat is overweight a tad, as most are, I might be a little meaner in getting her to eat the right foods. Of course, there is always the danger that the cat knows best and her instincts are better. My cat refuses all beef from FF and I think she's smart, knowing Mad Cow disease is not being discussed with cat food or pet food in general and stricter guidelines are going into effect. |
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Royal Canin Indoor or Mature?
Steve Crane wrote:
wrote: jmc wrote: I do believe I spoke with Royal Canin and they have a vet on staff who might give you some opinions. He did not seem biased when I spoke with him. They own Waltham and IVD. Not particularly important, but Royal Canin is owned by Mars which is the largest pet food manufacturer in the world. Mars owns a huge number of brands all over the world. Royal Canin doesn't really own anything, they are part of the Mars pet food brands. Masterfoods Pedigree Whiskas IVD Royal Canin Waltham and literally hundreds more That is particularly important since I had asked about which company was which they might have identified the parent company. They, not the vet, but the talking heads, kind of waffled on that. Come to think of it, same type of inadequate response when I called Purina, also a big conglomerate. But both companies were very nice and helpful. When they could not answer my specific questions, they referred me to someone who could, a vet in one case, and a manager in the other. |
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Royal Canin Indoor or Mature?
jmc wrote: My cat's now 9 1/2 years old, is mostly indoors, has had two bouts of cystitis, has luxating patellas which means she'll likely (if she hasn't already) develop arthritis. I'm looking for opinions: Which of these do you think would be best for Meep's health in the long term? Also, opinions on these two Royal Canin, vs. Science Diet/Hills Natures Best, vs Iams Active Maturity? I would go with the mature indoor. They originally had a senior which did great things for my 18 year old cat. He was walking faster, even trotting, and taking the stairs a lot better when I switched him to the senior food. They redid their foods and the senior was replaced by the mature indoor and the mature active. The indoor is for less active (older) kitties, and that is what I put my 11 year old cat on. She isn't senior like Maynard was, but she's not overly active (except when being chased). I do see her being more active and playful. Possibly because of the food and maybe because of the changes in the hierarchy (Maynard gone, and two younger ones in). The mature indoor does have a good amount of glucosamine, more then the previous senior (which I know helped Maynard with his arthtritis), and I believe even more than the maine coon version. I haven't tried the other brands you mentioned, so I can't compare them. I can tell you that Maynard was much improved on the senior food. He moved and felt better. Jay Jay, my part maine coon, loves the maine coon version, and is very happy and healthy. I switched him because our regular food was giving him the runs when I adopted him. After switching him, he has been solid and less stinky. And his fur is softer too. Kira, the 11 year old, liked Maynard's food, so I decided to quit the regular food and stick with the Royal canin. It's a bit spendier, but I am happy with the results. Advice to save money - buy the largest bags you can get, and if possible, go to the local cat shows and buy it from a dealer. I can get a 15 lb bag from a dealer for the same price as two 3 lb bags in the store. I do my best to buy the larger bags at the shows and only buy from the store if I run out before the next show. |
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Dry food rancidity limits was: RE Royal Canin Indoor or Mature?
On Wed 19 Oct 2005 08:29:28p, Joe Canuck wrote in
rec.pets.cats.health+behav (news I've had food stored for 3 to 4 months without a problem. A 10 lb bag of dry cat food lasts my 18 lb cat anywhere from 12 - 16 weeks. Thanks for the feedback. The food stored for 3-4 months is in it's original bag, unopened? I never had a problem with dry food going bad until Rhett, and he requires food for a sensitive stomach, so the big bags last much longer than what I find fresh. I can smell the difference, sort of an like old oil smell. The one eating the Cali Natural won't eat much canned, though she'll eat some per day. The two canned eaters like to munch on her CN, but rarely the sensitive stomach dry. -- Cheryl |
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Cheryl wrote: Just curious, Meghan, how long does the large bag last for you, once it's opened? I've had a heck of a time keeping dry cat food from going rancid (even in air tight containers meant for pet food storage) because the two that eat primarily dry food eat different kinds due to their different needs. I believe I bought the 15 lb bag on July 31st, and Jay Jay finished it off last week. So, it took him about 2 1/2 months. I kept it in a container, rather than the bag. He does seem to eat it a little less now that he is sure the next meal is coming. At the same time, I bought a 7 lb bag of Kira's food. She still has a little left of hers. She's only 7 lbs, so she doesn't eat nearly as much as Jay Jay. I just bought a 7 lb bag of the maine coon food for Jay Jay last week. He was going to run out before the next cat show. So, we'll see how long this one lasts. I definitely don't want to buy the 3 lb bags. Jay Jay was going through those in less than 2 weeks. And they were $13 a bag. I got the 7 lb bag for $19, so it was a much better deal. I haven't noticed any change in the smell or the look of the food. And the cats keep chowing away at it. I do keep the containers in a cool dry area, so that may help. And I dish it out one scoop at a time, so it doesn't sit out very long. |
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Dry food rancidity limits was: RE Royal Canin Indoor or Mature?
Cheryl wrote:
On Wed 19 Oct 2005 08:29:28p, Joe Canuck wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav (news I've had food stored for 3 to 4 months without a problem. A 10 lb bag of dry cat food lasts my 18 lb cat anywhere from 12 - 16 weeks. Thanks for the feedback. The food stored for 3-4 months is in it's original bag, unopened? I never had a problem with dry food going bad until Rhett, and he requires food for a sensitive stomach, so the big bags last much longer than what I find fresh. I can smell the difference, sort of an like old oil smell. The one eating the Cali Natural won't eat much canned, though she'll eat some per day. The two canned eaters like to munch on her CN, but rarely the sensitive stomach dry. I never store food in the bag. I always open the bag and place the food in air tight containers. Who knows, the bag may have been punctured somewhere along the way. |
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