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Old November 20th 06, 01:48 AM posted to rec.pets.cats.community,rec.pets.cats.anecdotes,rec.pets.cats
eleaticus
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Default I lose cats but it is birds that need protection

I have two major reasons to keep my furries indoors (besides not being
situated where I can build an outdoor run for them):

A. To keep them safe from dogs, cars, ticks, fleas, Republicans.
B. To keep feathered and furred critters safe from them. it just isn't
fair to subsidize fuzzy murder.

http://www.abcbirds.org/cats/states/florida_managed.htm

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Old November 20th 06, 01:54 AM posted to rec.pets.cats.community,rec.pets.cats.anecdotes,rec.pets.cats
Matthew
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Default I lose cats but it is birds that need protection

That is old information things have changed If I am correct

And Please don't be political in the groups it only leads to flaming and a
bunch of BS. We have enough of it already



"eleaticus" wrote in message
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I have two major reasons to keep my furries indoors (besides not being
situated where I can build an outdoor run for them):

A. To keep them safe from dogs, cars, ticks, fleas, Republicans.
B. To keep feathered and furred critters safe from them. it just isn't
fair to subsidize fuzzy murder.

http://www.abcbirds.org/cats/states/florida_managed.htm

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Old November 20th 06, 04:44 AM posted to rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
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Default I lose cats but it is birds that need protection

eleaticus wrote:
I have two major reasons to keep my furries indoors (besides not being
situated where I can build an outdoor run for them):

A. To keep them safe from dogs, cars, ticks, fleas, Republicans.
B. To keep feathered and furred critters safe from them. it just isn't
fair to subsidize fuzzy murder.

http://www.abcbirds.org/cats/states/florida_managed.htm

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eleaticus


I think you're wise to keep them indoors. Mine used to be
indoor-outdoor, but even back then, they weren't adept enough hunters
to ever manage bagging a bird. So the the birds were pretty safe from
them, anyway.
We don't have traffic, or any dogs or Republicans running around. We do
have coyotes and skunks, which is the reason they quit going outdoors.
They don't really seem to mind. They had gotten older and seemed to
spend less and less time outdoors anyway.

Sherry

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Old November 20th 06, 08:59 AM posted to rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
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Default I lose cats but it is birds that need protection

Matthew wrote:
That is old information things have changed If I am correct

And Please don't be political in the groups it only leads to flaming
and a bunch of BS. We have enough of it already

Matthew,

Please delete cross-postings if your newsreader doesn't. It only encourages
the flaming, political or otherwise. Thanks, and smooch

Jill


"eleaticus" wrote in message
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I have two major reasons to keep my furries indoors (besides not
being situated where I can build an outdoor run for them):

A. To keep them safe from dogs, cars, ticks, fleas, Republicans.
B. To keep feathered and furred critters safe from them. it just
isn't fair to subsidize fuzzy murder.

http://www.abcbirds.org/cats/states/florida_managed.htm

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eleaticus
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Old November 20th 06, 03:22 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.community,rec.pets.cats.anecdotes,rec.pets.cats
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Default I lose cats but it is birds that need protection


"Fuzzy murder"

Good one. Never heard that term before.

From Republicans or Democrats!!

HEE HEE


I have two major reasons to keep my furries indoors (besides not being
situated where I can build an outdoor run for them):

A. To keep them safe from dogs, cars, ticks, fleas, Republicans.
B. To keep feathered and furred critters safe from them. it just isn't
fair to subsidize fuzzy murder.

http://www.abcbirds.org/cats/states/florida_managed.htm


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Old November 20th 06, 09:35 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.community,rec.pets.cats.anecdotes,rec.pets.cats
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Default I lose cats but it is birds that need protection

eleaticus wrote:
I have two major reasons to keep my furries indoors (besides not being
situated where I can build an outdoor run for them):

A. To keep them safe from dogs, cars, ticks, fleas, Republicans.


And you don't think Democrats pose a problem?

I'd be willing to bet it was either a Democrat voter or a non-voter who
shot my cat before I rescued her from the street.

Or perhaps you think it's perfectly fine if a Democrat kills a cat.

B. To keep feathered and furred critters safe from them. it just isn't
fair to subsidize fuzzy murder.


Cats that kill birds are not murderers. It's a natural consequence of
how nature works.

Do you watch nature shows on TV and decry the predation which naturally
happens? That includes everything from wasps laying their eggs in moth
larvae to lions killing antelope.

The largest senseless slaughter of any animal I ever saw came as a
result of an orange grove being leveled. It took the bulldozers 2 days
to do it and the day it happened, I saw dozens of birds deadon the road
next to it. They simply had nowhere to run and were hit by cars.

Of course, the irony was that those birds would never have had that
habitat if it weren't for the fact that people developed that land into
orange groves in the first place.




http://www.abcbirds.org/cats/states/florida_managed.htm

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Old November 21st 06, 12:24 AM posted to rec.pets.cats.community,rec.pets.cats.anecdotes,rec.pets.cats
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"I dont know" wrote in message
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eleaticus wrote:


A. To keep them safe from dogs, cars, ticks, fleas, Republicans.


And you don't think Democrats pose a problem?


Per admonition I decline to make a reference to kyoto, or any other relevant
matter!

B. To keep feathered and furred critters safe from them. it just isn't
fair to subsidize fuzzy murder.


Cats that kill birds are not murderers. It's a natural consequence of
how nature works.


When we subsidize the carnivore it is murder.


The largest senseless slaughter of any animal I ever saw came as a
result of an orange grove being leveled. It took the bulldozers 2 days
to do it and the day it happened, I saw dozens of birds deadon the road
next to it. They simply had nowhere to run and were hit by cars.

Of course, the irony was that those birds would never have had that
habitat if it weren't for the fact that people developed that land into
orange groves in the first place.


What was the acreage before it became an orange grove?

A parking lot?

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Old November 21st 06, 01:59 AM posted to rec.pets.cats.community,rec.pets.cats.anecdotes,rec.pets.cats
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Default I lose cats but it is birds that need protection

eleaticus wrote:

I dont know wrote:
eleaticus wrote:

B. To keep feathered and furred critters safe from them. it
just isn't fair to subsidize fuzzy murder.


Cats that kill birds are not murderers. It's a natural
consequence of how nature works.


When we subsidize the carnivore it is murder.


Cats are obligate carnivores; they must eat meat -- and almost
nothing but meat -- in order to survive and be healthy. They
aren't merely unable to synthesize protein from carbohydrates as
herbivores and omnivores do, they lack the biochemical machinery
to effectively turn non-animal protein into a form they can use
themselves. Worse, they'll die without certain essential amino
acids -- taurine, most notably -- which are only present in
animals. In the case of taurine, it's only found in significant
concentrations in heart muscle.

Humans, to a much lesser extent, are also obligate
carnivores. It's only with the advent of modern food processing
techniques that foods such as tofu have become available which
come close to meeting human protein needs...and, even then, the
balance isn't quite right and you get additional hormone-mimicing
compounds in the mix that aren't healthy when used as a sole
source of protein. Other legumes are good foods, but contain much
too many carbohydrates to be suitable as sole protein sources.

Besides which, prey species are just as dependent upon predator
species not just for survival but for health and quality of
life. Without predators to keep populations in check, entire
populations of prey species will die horrible deaths from
starvation as they overrun their food supply. In the process,
they'll typically destroy their environment from over-grazing,
causing nasty ripple effects up and down the food chain.

Having said that, we, as humans, are in a position to treat our
own prey species more humanely than they would be treated in
the wild. We can pamper them while they're alive, giving them
stress-free lives with plenty of good food and comfortably
generous open areas to roam around in, free from worry about
attacks from other predators. And, when we take our own position
as predator, we can ensure that the prey animal doesn't even have
a clue of what's happening and never feels any pain or fear.

We also should take care to ensure that carnivores we've adopted
behave in a responsible manner. A cat who feasts on pigeons is
doing the environment a great service. One who dines on threatened
or endangered species needs to be forcibly restrained.

Death is inevitable. It's what we do with life that counts.

If you can come up with a food synthesizer that meets dietary
requirements and doesn't come with nasty environmental side
effects -- Fred Pohl's CHON comet harvester comes to mind -- and
if you can also implement effective population control measures in
prey species, then you can reasonably suggest a moral alternative
to meat diets for carnivores. Until then, your choices are
suffering or suicide.

Cheers,

b&

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Old November 22nd 06, 03:48 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.community,rec.pets.cats.anecdotes,rec.pets.cats
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Default I lose cats but it is birds that need protection

You don't need to protect them from Republicans. Research has shown that
Democrats tend to volunteer and support causes like the homeless (human),
programs that help low income people, etc. Republicans tend to support
animal related causes.
Joe

"eleaticus" wrote in message
...
I have two major reasons to keep my furries indoors (besides not being
situated where I can build an outdoor run for them):

A. To keep them safe from dogs, cars, ticks, fleas, Republicans.
B. To keep feathered and furred critters safe from them. it just isn't
fair to subsidize fuzzy murder.

http://www.abcbirds.org/cats/states/florida_managed.htm

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eleaticus
ee-lee-AT-i-cus





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Old November 22nd 06, 06:07 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.anecdotes,rec.pets.cats
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"Joe Pitt" wrote in message
news:krZ8h.4216$_x3.2345@trndny02...
You don't need to protect them from Republicans. Research has shown that
Democrats tend to volunteer and support causes like the homeless (human),
programs that help low income people, etc. Republicans tend to support
animal related causes.
Joe



If I am correct it was a republican that started the no animals left behind
act

"eleaticus" wrote in message
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I have two major reasons to keep my furries indoors (besides not being
situated where I can build an outdoor run for them):

A. To keep them safe from dogs, cars, ticks, fleas, Republicans.
B. To keep feathered and furred critters safe from them. it just isn't
fair to subsidize fuzzy murder.

http://www.abcbirds.org/cats/states/florida_managed.htm

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