PURRS for ABELARD, please- he's very ill, at vet

Pat wrote:

It started a bit after 12 noon, Aby was laying in my lap, all seemed well,
then suddenly he began to convulse.... I could not figure out what was
happening, thought he was maybe having a seizure, but it went on and on and
on, meanwhile I was trying to reach every vet in the book, none were
answering -- all were apparently out to lunch, finally had to just try to
get to one quick as I could. My car actually started!!! but trying to leave
the vet it almost would not. It's not even insured....

I am not 100% positive but it appears he may have ingested a bit of a scale
remover called Vanisol which is 23% hydrochloric acid. It took almost two
hours to figure this out because I had no idea there was even anything like
this in the house, let alone accessible to a cat....

Poor Aby!! My gang will purr for him to make it through this.

I'm wondering if it isn't something else altogether, though. I agree
that if something burns that much on immediate contact, a cat would
be very unlikely to keep drinking it. Plus, if he was lying on your
lap for a while before the seizures started, that doesn't sound
like hydrochloric acid burns. I would expect the symptoms to start
immediately, if he had actually ingested enough to harm him. I hope
they consider other possibilities, and maybe you should, too.

Purrs for you, too, that your biopsy turns out negative.

--
Joyce

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Because it is an unusual name, I goggled it for a clue. Well, got nothing
cat related. Am interested in where YOU got the name.
"Joy" wrote in message
...
Purrs are on the way!

--
Joy

"Pat" wrote in message
et...
Breaking long silence to ask for mega purrs for Abelard, who may be
dying. I
have lurked here occasionally but still did not feel right about posting.
And now, I must ask for purrs for my little guy.

It started a bit after 12 noon, Aby was laying in my lap, all seemed
well,
then suddenly he began to convulse.... I could not figure out what was
happening, thought he was maybe having a seizure, but it went on and on
and
on, meanwhile I was trying to reach every vet in the book, none were
answering -- all were apparently out to lunch, finally had to just try to
get to one quick as I could. My car actually started!!! but trying to
leave
the vet it almost would not. It's not even insured....

I am not 100% positive but it appears he may have ingested a bit of a
scale
remover called Vanisol which is 23% hydrochloric acid. It took almost two
hours to figure this out because I had no idea there was even anything
like
this in the house, let alone accessible to a cat.... TED gave me a hard
time, his social skills are not that great, thought my being upset and
asking questions and freaking out was a reflection on him or lack of
trust
or something. Now I am at home, going out of my mind. My baby may be
dying!!

I am just rambling, going insane, wanting to help my baby but what can I
do?? And the vet meanwhile has a full schedule of regular patients to
tend.

I just called back over there, they said Aby is "stable" for now. Thank
Bast! Please, keep poor Abelard in your thoughts today. He will be
staying
overnight at the vet, they said, but who knows, that may change.

About two years ago roto-rooter worked on my sewer line and seeing how
sluggish the commode was *after* rooting he told me to get this product,
but
I really don't remember ever buying it, I don't think I was able to find
any
in town. That was two years ago, so who knows.... And if I did buy the
stuff, why on EARTH was there some of it sitting in a plain glass jar in
the
kitchen, after all this time??? But what else could it be??? I got a tiny
smidgen on my hand when I handled the jar, and it sure did burn.... if
it
burns so much on the relatively tough skin of a human hand, why would any
animal ingest more than a tiny smidgen? And I wonder if in fact strong
hydrochloric acid causes convulsions, in such a tiny amount?

Will Abelard make it? I'm asking for your strongest and best purrs for my
sweet innocent baby boy, who is the very last kitty in the world to
deserve
such suffering. I feel terrible for allowing this to happen!

Pat wrote:
Breaking long silence to ask for mega purrs for Abelard, who may be
dying. I have lurked here occasionally but still did not feel right
about posting. And now, I must ask for purrs for my little guy.

It started a bit after 12 noon, Aby was laying in my lap, all seemed
well, then suddenly he began to convulse.... I could not figure out
what was happening, thought he was maybe having a seizure, but it
went on and on and on, meanwhile I was trying to reach every vet in
the book, none were answering -- all were apparently out to lunch,
finally had to just try to get to one quick as I could. My car
actually started!!! but trying to leave the vet it almost would not.
It's not even insured....

I am not 100% positive but it appears he may have ingested a bit of a
scale remover called Vanisol which is 23% hydrochloric acid. It took
almost two hours to figure this out because I had no idea there was
even anything like this in the house, let alone accessible to a
cat.... TED gave me a hard time, his social skills are not that
great, thought my being upset and asking questions and freaking out
was a reflection on him or lack of trust or something. Now I am at
home, going out of my mind. My baby may be dying!!

If Abelard had ingested some vanisol with the 23% hydrochloric acid, he
would have acid burns to his motuh, tongue and aesophegus. They'd be easy to
see - they'd be like heat burns, red and blistery. He'd be in *alot* of pain
and frothing at the mouth.

However, going for a quick internet search, there seems to be many different
products under the Vanisol brand name, not all of which are 23% hydrochloric
acid. I don't know which one youve got, but please find out which one and
find the MSDS (material safety data sheet) for it ASAP - it will help the
vet know what to do if it was poisoning from a Vanisol product. MSDSs are
easy to download frmthe 'net, but failing tha, ring the manufacturerof
Vanisol and ask for he MSDS details. They have to give it to you, by law
(even US law)

About two years ago roto-rooter worked on my sewer line and seeing how
sluggish the commode was *after* rooting he told me to get this
product, but I really don't remember ever buying it, I don't think I
was able to find any in town. That was two years ago, so who
knows.... And if I did buy the stuff, why on EARTH was there some of
it sitting in a plain glass jar in the kitchen, after all this
time??? But what else could it be??? I got a tiny smidgen on my hand
when I handled the jar, and it sure did burn.... if it burns so much
on the relatively tough skin of a human hand, why would any animal
ingest more than a tiny smidgen? And I wonder if in fact strong
hydrochloric acid causes convulsions, in such a tiny amount?

I am not a vet, but to be honest, I don't think hydrocholric acid by itself
would cause convulsions, because I don't think any animal could ingest
enough to cause harm. And even if they did manage to digest it without
getting severe burns on the mouth, tongue and oesophagus, the stomach is
full of hyrdocholric acid anyway. A small amount of extra concentrated acid
would decrease the pH of the stomach some more, but not too much. Worst youd
get would be a bit of acid reflux, which a cat would o doubt just hurk up.
You'd have to digest an aweful lot to cause damage to the stomach, and by
that time (I apologise for being gross) there would be no mouth,, tongue,
throat, or aesophagus left.

The high acid Vanisol that I think you are talking about also has alkyl
dimethyl benzyl ammonium chlorides (at 0.05%) and O-Benzyl-P-Chlorophenol at
0.01%. To be honest, at those low levels and hte small amount Abelard may
have digested without any noticable chemical burns to his mouth, means that
the amount diested wouldbe negligiable and therefore unless cats are
pecularly sensitive to such things, I don't think thiswouldbe he cause of
convulsions (although I am not a vet).

The thing i can't figure out is why a plumber would recommend a bowl
cleaner, when almost invariably, the problem with drains is the build up of
fats and hair, which is usually solved by products which are strongly
alkaline (caustic). Although caustic will cause nasty chemical burns too.

If there's no sign of chemical burns in his mouth, or tongue, I dont think
the Vanisol is the cause (but I am not a vet)

Will Abelard make it? I'm asking for your strongest and best purrs
for my sweet innocent baby boy, who is the very last kitty in the
world to deserve such suffering. I feel terrible for allowing this to
happen!

Purrs for Abelard.

Yowie
(also wondering how you know its high-acid Vanisol if its in a plain glass
jar, and how Abelard could have access to it if you've never noticed it
before)

"Pat" wrote in message
et...
Breaking long silence to ask for mega purrs for Abelard, who may be dying.
I
have lurked here occasionally but still did not feel right about posting.
And now, I must ask for purrs for my little guy.

Lots of purrs coming over the pond for Abelard to recover.

Tweed
KFC & Boyfie

"Granby" wrote

| Because it is an unusual name, I goggled it for a clue. Well, got nothing
| cat related. Am interested in where YOU got the name.

What name?

"Pat" ...
Breaking long silence to ask for mega purrs for Abelard, who may be dying.
I
have lurked here occasionally but still did not feel right about posting.
And now, I must ask for purrs for my little guy.

Pat, you don't know me, since I'm new here, but please know healing
PUUUUUURS are sent for Abelard.

edit

Will Abelard make it? I'm asking for your strongest and best purrs for my
sweet innocent baby boy, who is the very last kitty in the world to
deserve
such suffering. I feel terrible for allowing this to happen!

I give my vote as a yes, yes he will
It's NOT your fault that this happened sweetie.
No no no nope!!
And blast TED for being so rude to you!
That was very unprofessional IMO!
Prayers, Healing Purrs, Hugs,
Love and Bright Blessings for Abelard and you.
Please keep us posted
Kyla

is where you can e-mail me if you'd like.

"Yowie" wrote

| If there's no sign of chemical burns in his mouth, or tongue, I dont think
| the Vanisol is the cause (but I am not a vet)

No burns anywhere! Not even his paws.

| (also wondering how you know its high-acid Vanisol if its in a plain glass
| jar, and how Abelard could have access to it if you've never noticed it
| before)

I don't know that it is. I really have no idea what it is. All I know is
it's mostly clear - just a tad on the milky side - and odorless, and a
smidgen of it burned my hand when I touched it accidentally.

I really don't know what is in that jar. I simply don't use toxic stuff
around the house. Never have. In fact I probably never bought Vanisol in the
first place.

They didn't want to keep him overnight because no one would be there. The
vet said he's not sure what caused this. They gave him a huge amount of
fluids, both IV and orally. So much that the carrier felt several pounds
heavier than when we went in.

Abelard is sleeping and his body seems too cold. I took him out of the
carrier and he's now on a soft down pillow with a warm blanket around him. I
tried putting him in the litter box first, just in case, and he could not
stand up. Didn't seem to need to pee either. Amazing, with all that extra
fluid.

When I took him out of the carrier he woke up a bit and his head was
bouncing around like it was earlier when he was convulsing, only not as
pronounced.

Anyway, he's alive for the time being. I need to try and get a charcoal
tablet into him at some point pretty soon.... T

Pat wrote:

They didn't want to keep him overnight because no one would be there. The
vet said he's not sure what caused this. They gave him a huge amount of
fluids, both IV and orally. So much that the carrier felt several pounds
heavier than when we went in.

Abelard is sleeping and his body seems too cold. I took him out of the
carrier and he's now on a soft down pillow with a warm blanket around him. I
tried putting him in the litter box first, just in case, and he could not
stand up. Didn't seem to need to pee either. Amazing, with all that extra
fluid.

When I took him out of the carrier he woke up a bit and his head was
bouncing around like it was earlier when he was convulsing, only not as
pronounced.

Anyway, he's alive for the time being. I need to try and get a charcoal
tablet into him at some point pretty soon.... T

Oh, the poor baby. It must be awful to see him like this. And he must
be feeling terrible!

I think either he somehow ingested something toxic, but not hydrochloric
acid. Although maybe he did ingest the stuff in the glass jar, since
you don't know what it is. Or maybe he was bitten by a poisonous insect
or spider? It does sound like something neurological might be going on,
if he's having seizures.

We'll keep purring for him.

--
Joyce

To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^

Purrs for both Abelard and you.

--Fil


We'll keep purring for him.

--
Joyce