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Is Salmonella in "Essentials"-Arm and Hammer's New Corn Litter
Hello,
Today is Sunday and the Veterinarians have 'left the room' . . . so i have some agonizing, wait-time on my hands, which i will spend with you all . . . I am having trouble with vomiting in young cats, and violent diarrhea/ death in less than 10-day-old kittens. I never experienced this before in my life; also i never before used Arm and Hammer Essentials (corn litter). Yes, itis CORN, i can feel the slick starch on my fingers when wet. Or does anyone have information on this condition. In my 73 (not counting my first 3 years) years ihave never seen such a thing, so it has to be something of a new-like nature. Now i would like to introduce me and my kitties to you: One kitten (the first to get this whatever it is) (about 3 months old) was at deaths door, plus hanging half way over it (Vet. didnot expect him to live. He could hardly stand let alone walk, and his eyes were "fixed", as if he had already dead). FlufferNutter is a beautiful, recessive-gene, black Angora, with a whole, new personality now, so i guess he did die, but came back a new boy, and feral in a cute sort of way. Should i change his name?? Ha-ha, just joking - - - i think . . . I lost one kitten that was being bottle-fed and about two weeks old (mother had no milk). Now one, from a litter of 6, from a non-inbred, fantastic, young mother, is lying on my lap cold, weak, diarrhea and dying. I am medicating him, but who knows what will happen. When the bottle-fed one died i thought it was just because of the fact he was being bottled-fed; i had just changed his milk to WalMart, kitten formula, or he just wasnot growing etc; however, now i remember he had a explosion of water/mucus (as in diarrhea), and i thought it meant he wasnot getting any food whatever. Now i realize his death was from this possible Salmonella, or whatever, that hasbeen effecting all the cats at all ages (except of course for plush, suckie PiggyPen, who is always trying to suck on my arms or anything else he can get at). He is the most robust, healthy cat ever; with perfectly wide-eyed, round eyes/with a slight insane look, and now i wonder if cats need salt????? Does anyone know anything about salt and cats' health and or resistance to illness? Some of these kitties are quite in-bred, but this is a work in progress, and iwill sort all of that out latter down my path of possible success. The one kitty i introduced into the pride, to help reduce the inbreeding, just had kitties, but no milk. She is a barn kitty (a toad) and i have no details or knowledge about her pregnancy etc. Some kitties are out in the barn; theyare the toads (youhave to kiss a lot of toads before you find a Prince); some, whoare semi-toads are housed in the basement; my breeders are caged on the enclosed porch, Non-pillow-****ers are permitted in the main house, but with so many kitties itis hard to distinguish between non-pillow-****ers and pillow- ****ers, because youhave to catch them in the act. Therefore some breeders spend a lot of time in their cage, which, mainly, is Sir Fuzzbuttly, my main man, however i do walk him on sunny days (the few we have here in the east side of Lake Erie area). My Two, huge, beautiful, heart-breakingly magnificent, gorgeous, Siamese males are pillow ****ers, so have been relegated to the basement, and iam considering having them caged in the barn. I cannot keep up with all the constant scrubbing for too much longer . . . itis killing me . . . Iam cross-posting this because i feel this Salmonella possiblility it is of an urgency matter. Truly Truth will set you free John 8:32 PS two more have just died . . . |
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Is Salmonella in "Essentials"-Arm and Hammer's New Corn Litter
On Apr 19, 2:33*pm, harry wrote:
Hello, Today is Sunday and the Veterinarians have 'left the room' . . . so i have some agonizing, wait-time on my hands, which i will spend with you all . . . And you have ruled out feline distemper (panleukopenia), enteritis, environmental toxins, and so forth? If these animals have not been vaccinated for the various cat diseases, it is extremely common that distemper runs through an entire group of unvaccinated cats with a 90% + fatality rate. No litter is better or worse for Salmonella than any other litter. Overt symptoms are somewhat unusual in cats or dogs - and with some, they are symptom-free carriers. Only a test will confirm. But overt signs include: Vomiting Diarrhea Dehydration Fever Hypoglycemia Lethargy Stomach Gurgling Refusing to Eat/Drink Some times with blood present in excreta. There are 24-hour vet clinics, but there is *NOTHING* you can do at home about this unless you have access to all the equipment and drugs that a vet might. And people-treatments might be worse for the cat than the original disease if the wrong drug or drugs are given. Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA |
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Is Salmonella in "Essentials"-Arm and Hammer's New Corn Litter
On Apr 20, 12:08*pm, " wrote:
On Apr 19, 2:33*pm, harry wrote: Hello, Today is Sunday and the Veterinarians have 'left the room' . . . so i have some agonizing, wait-time on my hands, which i will spend with you all . . . And you have ruled out feline distemper (panleukopenia), enteritis, environmental toxins, and so forth? If these animals have not been vaccinated for the various cat diseases, it is extremely common that distemper runs through an entire group of unvaccinated cats with a 90% + fatality rate. No litter is better or worse for Salmonella than any other litter. Overt symptoms are somewhat unusual in cats or dogs - and with some, they are symptom-free carriers. Only a test will confirm. But overt signs include: Vomiting Diarrhea Dehydration Fever Hypoglycemia Lethargy Stomach Gurgling Refusing to Eat/Drink Some times with blood present in excreta. There are 24-hour vet clinics, but there is *NOTHING* you can do at home about this unless you have access to all the equipment and drugs that a vet might. And people-treatments might be worse for the cat than the original disease if the wrong drug or drugs are given. Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA Hello, How do you "innoculate" a new-born kitten . . . The grown kitties have no ill effects; older kitties make it fine on antibiotics, but these new-borns only make it to 10 days. They forcefully, in one grand, watery, poop, forcefully poop out there lives in screaming agony; continue to scream for a few minutes, then settle down to a peaceful death except for an occasional weak scream. It takes them about two days to die. They cannot nurse/swallow/eat: is the first thing to let you know the condition is on. Iam learning this as the kittens succumb - one right after the other. Thereare now 3 left out of two mothers' litters. The mothers seem to have scant milk - iam thinking that is the stress. Truth will set you free John 8:32 |
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Is Salmonella in "Essentials"-Arm and Hammer's New Corn Litter
On Apr 20, 9:28*pm, harry wrote:
How do you "innoculate" a new-born kitten . . . a) Kittens inherit antibodies from their mothers for about the first 3 months of their lives via the colostrom - their first nursing. If they do not get this, then they do not inherit the immunities. Newborn bottle-fed, never-nursing kittens will not get this immunity and so rarely survive as healthy cats. Not NEVER, but certainly rarely. b) Adult cats that have been exposed to feline distemper and survived it, and/or received immunities early in their lives may be resistant to it, but not have sufficient and of the correct immunities to pass it to their kittens. That is why it is critical that cats have their immunizations at the correct intervals if they are allowed to breed - even though the science does (somewhat) support a continuing resistance even to a single effective course of immunizations. Much as humans achieved permanent immunizations to Smallpox from a single exposure to the vaccine - such that today the vaccine is no longer given as a matter of course. But humans as with cats do not pass on those immunities to their children as a permanent condition. And unless you are in the true boonies, there are 24-hour clinics. Further to that, most ethical vets will respond 24/7 if there is a need. Our vet practice does not even charge extra to come to the house (and they will, at short notice if needed) if it turns out that there was a true emergency. We have been with them now for over 25 years for just that reason. Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA |
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Is Salmonella in "Essentials"-Arm and Hammer's New Corn Litter
Suddenly, without warning, harry exclaimed (4/20/2009 9:28 PM):
On Apr 20, 12:08 pm, " wrote: On Apr 19, 2:33 pm, harry wrote: Hello, Today is Sunday and the Veterinarians have 'left the room' . . . so i have some agonizing, wait-time on my hands, which i will spend with you all . . . And you have ruled out feline distemper (panleukopenia), enteritis, environmental toxins, and so forth? If these animals have not been vaccinated for the various cat diseases, it is extremely common that distemper runs through an entire group of unvaccinated cats with a 90% + fatality rate. No litter is better or worse for Salmonella than any other litter. Overt symptoms are somewhat unusual in cats or dogs - and with some, they are symptom-free carriers. Only a test will confirm. But overt signs include: Vomiting Diarrhea Dehydration Fever Hypoglycemia Lethargy Stomach Gurgling Refusing to Eat/Drink Some times with blood present in excreta. There are 24-hour vet clinics, but there is *NOTHING* you can do at home about this unless you have access to all the equipment and drugs that a vet might. And people-treatments might be worse for the cat than the original disease if the wrong drug or drugs are given. Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA Hello, How do you "innoculate" a new-born kitten . . . The grown kitties have no ill effects; older kitties make it fine on antibiotics, but these new-borns only make it to 10 days. They forcefully, in one grand, watery, poop, forcefully poop out there lives in screaming agony; continue to scream for a few minutes, then settle down to a peaceful death except for an occasional weak scream. It takes them about two days to die. They cannot nurse/swallow/eat: is the first thing to let you know the condition is on. Iam learning this as the kittens succumb - one right after the other. Thereare now 3 left out of two mothers' litters. The mothers seem to have scant milk - iam thinking that is the stress. Truth will set you free John 8:32 Today is now Tuesday. Have you taken the surviving kittens to the vet yet? I note your post was on Monday, so hopefully you have. If you have not, forgive me for being blunt, but now *you* are killing these kittens by denying them medical care. That'll actually get you arrested in some states as animal abuse! Please, please, please get the surviving kittens and the mother to the clinic now, this minute, there still might be a chance to save them! jmc |
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