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Soy products femminizing our (human) boys?
On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:04:30 -0500, Stormin Mormon wrote
(in article ): Well, that wasn't exactly the response I was expecting. The bottom line answer is that I'm not homophobic. I have no fear of homosexuals. Maybe the man has "no fear of homosexuals" (the literal meaning of "homophobia" ) but even on the off-chance that is true, he's failing to equate his hatred with fear or to recognize that's where his hatred stems. Please: leave him to his own fates. -- Remember: It is To Laugh |
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Soy products femminizing our (human) boys?
The difference is that it has never come out directly. Laughing over a story
(Louie used to freak out opponents in college hockey games by placing the stick in strategic areas of the other guy's anatomy) is one thing, that's just getting a few good chuckles over an anecdote. However, posting this minister's uninformed drivel on a board which, frankly, doesn't give a damn is going to earn a person a homophobe medal in really short order, and I don't blame anyone for being upset. And this includes myself. The post is offensive, and that one about Brokeback Mountain just as bad. If you want to make the LDS (and by extension yourself) look good, then do what Jesus did and sit to dinner with those who would be called sinners and stop giving a rat's @$$ about what other people do in bed. When we have global warming, disease, war and unequal rights between genders and races to worry about, homosexuality is really a very small matter. Blessed be, Baha Stormin Mormon wrote: Baha has seen some sides of my personality which not many people have. Normally, I'm a rather calm and collected person. I do have a sense of humor, but not many people see it. We did have one conversation over dinner, when Louie mentioned psyching out some other folks, playing into their homophobia. I think during that discussion I made it reasonably clear that I'm not homophobic. I thought she'd have remembered that. So, yes, it has come up in conversation. Unless the topic came up in conversation, how would Baha know? Those of us who have read your posts here may be in a better position to judge. (Unless the opinions you express are simply trolling, not what you really think.) -- Message posted via CatKB.com http://www.catkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx...dotes/200701/1 |
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"Jo Firey" wrote in message ... "Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ... Well, that wasn't exactly the response I was expecting. The bottom line answer is that I'm not homophobic. I have no fear of homosexuals. -- Christopher A. Young You can't shout down a troll. You have to starve them. Can I ask a couple of simple questions before you disappear behind my spam filter? Why are you even on this group? You don't have cats, and have never shown any fondness or affinity for them, And why do you feel the need to use the group as a means to haunt Liz? She seems a particularly lovely person with no taste at all for confrontation. But you not only come to the group and try to create controversy, but seem determined to draw her into it. Could you just go away already and find another venue for your diatribes? Jo My aunt and uncle have been members of the LDS church for 54 years. I have never seen them show any homophobia. Ok, it isn't encouraged by their church. It isn't up to them to judge and they know it. I feel sad that Chris posts as "Stormin Mormon." whilst posting his personal views. He is not at all typical of Mormons as I know them. Tweed |
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"Christina Websell" wrote in message ... "Jo Firey" wrote in message ... "Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ... Well, that wasn't exactly the response I was expecting. The bottom line answer is that I'm not homophobic. I have no fear of homosexuals. -- Christopher A. Young You can't shout down a troll. You have to starve them. Can I ask a couple of simple questions before you disappear behind my spam filter? Why are you even on this group? You don't have cats, and have never shown any fondness or affinity for them, And why do you feel the need to use the group as a means to haunt Liz? She seems a particularly lovely person with no taste at all for confrontation. But you not only come to the group and try to create controversy, but seem determined to draw her into it. Could you just go away already and find another venue for your diatribes? Jo My aunt and uncle have been members of the LDS church for 54 years. I have never seen them show any homophobia. Ok, it isn't encouraged by their church. It isn't up to them to judge and they know it. I feel sad that Chris posts as "Stormin Mormon." whilst posting his personal views. He is not at all typical of Mormons as I know them. Tweed It says an awful lot about him that many of us have felt the need to defend the LDS church after some of his posts. It is really sad that he feels the need to advertise his church affiliation along with his antisocial views. Jo |
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Jumping back in after a long silence,,,
So, what about the entire population of Japan, not to mention China and Korea, where the main source of protein has been soy products for centuries? And what does this have to do with cats? Cantate in Japan |
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After some discussion (and a fresh perspective or two), I'm
finding out that this article is both poorly written, and offensive to many. Oops! Such was not my goal. What's going on, is that I'm rapidly losing confidence in the establishment, on so many levels. I've taken a couple medical problems to established doctors, and had them make the matters worse. And a couple friends of mine, much the same. The establishment changes position back and forth also. Is butter killing us? How about margarine with trans fats? Cyclamates, saccharine, or Splenda? Or was it sugar that is killing us all? I do have a couple friend of mine who are raising their baby on formula. Could it be soy product? When I read the article, I didn't see any anti-this or anti-that. Except for anti-commercially prepared stuff. The anti bias that I totally missed, others picked right up on it. My goal of posting to this board, is that the folks here seem sincere and caring. And my reaction to the article was "we're hurting members of our families!". Yes, it's not cat related, but it sure seemed important to families. And now, I'm finding out that different people see a whole different content in the article, different than what I'd seen. My mistake, and I sure am sorry. Never intended to mean anything other than that the commercial factories aren't putting out healthy product. And, so, I am writing to apologize to anyone who was offended. That sure wasn't my intent. -- Christopher A. Young You can't shout down a troll. You have to starve them. .. "Baha via CatKB.com" u18616@uwe wrote in message news:6ca423ba3306a@uwe... First and foremost, this is in urban-myth category. I'm reminded of things like spider eggs in Bubble Yum, or kangaroo meat in Mickey D's burgers. Secondly and more importantly, you quoted from a minister's book. the author is not an endocrinologist nor has he any position in the scientific research community. What does this man know about the effect of soy products on the male endocrine system? the logic is flawed on multiple levels. A mother nurses her infant son, he is likely to get a certain amount of female hormones through the breast milk. If we wish to continue with this logic, any male who has been breastfed is a homosexual waiting to happen. Why, WHY would you take the word of a homophobic minister as proven medical science? Let this man stick to his pulpit (although his attitudes are so revolting to me that I wouldn't go into his church for a million dollars laid out in a line.) Blessed be, Baha Stormin Mormon wrote: So, you don't care about potential damage to human boys? Wow, |
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On Jan 24, 8:37*am, "Stormin Mormon" wrote: After some discussion (and a fresh perspective or two), I'm finding out that this article is both poorly written, and offensive to many. Oops! Such was not my goal. What's going on, is that I'm rapidly losing confidence in the establishment, on so many levels. I've taken a couple medical problems to established doctors, and had them make the matters worse. And a couple friends of mine, much the same. The establishment changes position back and forth also. Is butter killing us? How about margarine with trans fats? Cyclamates, saccharine, or Splenda? Or was it sugar that is killing us all? I do have a couple friend of mine who are raising their baby on formula. Could it be soy product? When I read the article, I didn't see any anti-this or anti-that. Except for anti-commercially prepared stuff. The anti bias that I totally missed, others picked right up on it. My goal of posting to this board, is that the folks here seem sincere and caring. And my reaction to the article was "we're hurting members of our families!". Yes, it's not cat related, but it sure seemed important to families. And now, I'm finding out that different people see a whole different content in the article, different than what I'd seen. My mistake, and I sure am sorry. Never intended to mean anything other than that the commercial factories aren't putting out healthy product. And, so, I am writing to apologize to anyone who was offended. That sure wasn't my intent. -- Christopher A. Young I wasn't really "offended". A better description was, I just thought the whole article was eyeball-rollingly silly. Too silly to warrant being offended. Sherry |
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Stormin Mormon wrote: So, you don't care about potential damage to human boys? Wow,- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - A. You didn't read the articles carefully and come to the conclusion that the issues they raised weren't medically and scientifically sound BEFORE posting them here on a cat Newsgroup? B. The question asked in the subject line of this thread was specifically about "harm" being done to men and boys through eating soy products which supposedly might turn them into 'girly-men' to paraphrase the words of California's lamentable Governator. If it had been a general question about "Are soy products safe for (all) human consumption?" you would have run into a less angry response. C. Given that the Chinese and Japanese have been eating soy products for centuries, and both China and Japan are well populated to say the least, I'd say there's little likelihood that soy products are either a deterent to sexual activity, or that they have a feminizing influence on men. D.If I could find a food that would make men less inclined to violence while not altering their dispositions in other ways, I'd make a point of feeding it to the entire Bush Administration. Melissa |
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I can't describe how embarassed I am. After all, I'm the guy who
checks things on www.snopes.com and reminds folks not to spread internet legends. I'll have to try that -- avoiding scare stories. After all, what can one person do? -- Christopher A. Young You can't shout down a troll. You have to starve them. .. "Cheryl Perkins" wrote in message ... I find it really helps my peace of mind if I pay no attention whatsoever to scare stories in the media. If I can't quite manage that, I would try to find the original reports the stories are based on before panicking. A reputable writer will give enough names for you to track down the original research (although you may need access to a university library). A writer who simply rants and doesn't give you the information you need to check the research should be ignored. There's an awful lot of junk information out there. There's also a lot of situations, including medical ones, which are *not* yet fully understood in spite of all the advances of the past century or so. Moreover, even established and excellent doctors are human - there are limits to their knowledge and abilities, and they sometimes make mistakes. *Life* kills us - no one comes out alive! And you're playing the odds when you choose your lifestyle. If you avoid something that is statistically associated with a shorter life, like smoking or a high-fat diet and low-exercise life, the odds are that you will live longer than you would if you smoked, at nothing but hamburgers, and never exercised. But there aren't any guarantees on the individual level from statistical generalities. sorry. Never intended to mean anything other than that the commercial factories aren't putting out healthy product. Commercial products can be healthy and safe (ie uncontaminated), or not, depending on the business and which products are chosen by the consumer. Soy is a well-known and generally safe nutrient as far as I ever heard, although I think it's a mistake to focus on a single nutrient in your diet. I think people should eat a variety of foods, so that their various benefits and risks balance out, more or less. -- Cheryl |
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Cheryl Perkins wrote: I find it really helps my peace of mind if I pay no attention whatsoever to scare stories in the media. If I can't quite manage that, I would try to find the original reports the stories are based on before panicking. And by the time you're as old as I am, you will have lived through several about-faces among respectable researchers, and learn to ignore most of them! I try to eat a balanced diet, avoid foods that seem to bother my own digestive system, and don't pay much attention to the "latest research". However, I do tend to opt for the "natural", unfooled-around-with, as opposed to the artificially enhanced. (Like "fat free half and half" - an oxymoron in any case - but have you read the LABELS for it?) |
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