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"Anastatia" wrote in message om... You abuse your cats and don't want people to be too harsh with you? Okey dokey. Whoa, I think we need to calm down a little here. Ok. So calm down. We may have some disagreements here about whether toilet training the cat is in its best interests, but to say that it is being "abused" is a little out there. You think so, huh? I think forcing a cat to use a human toilet and depriving her of natural instincts is *way* out there. It's not "natural" for cats to live indoors and never go outside, or to refrain from jumping up on the table when you're eating, or to be spayed and neutered either. But this doesn't necessarily equal abuse. Neutering benefits the cat both physically and psychologically; keeping a cat indoors benefits the cat; teaching a cat to stay off the table benefits the cat (sharp eating utensils, foods toxic to cats). Your analogies do not apply. I agree that at a certain point, if the toilet training isn't working out, its time to give up and give the cat back its box. Maybe it is just not capable of learning to use the toilet, or maybe it genuinely has problems balancing or has an insurrmountable fear. There's a point where it becomes clear that the cat can't or won't use the toilet, and at that point, it's mean to draw it out further. Certainly, if a cat is old and can't get up on the toilet, it should have a litter box. How thoughtful. Third, How do monitor your cats' waste for medical problems? such as polyuria which is a sign of diabetes and chronic renal failure; or worse, oliguria? or anuria? - which is even worse and life-threatening. Take the cat for regular vet checkups. That'll tell you a lot more than monitoring its crap. Abnormal waste products and production are often early warning signs of illness. Do you think an oliguric or an anuric cat will survive until the next scheduled exam? Did you know that a urinary tract obstruction produces a pathophysiologic state equivalent to oliguric acute renal failure? Don't know much about cats, do you? |
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"PawsForThought" wrote in message ... Yep. I bit my tongue last night--but I do feel the same way. It's mean thing to do to a cat IMO. And oo ick, I don't WANT my cat using my toilet, anyway! Imagine being sleepy in the middle of the night, going in and sitting down in a puddle because he missed. Yeah it's bad enough when hubby does that, lol Heh heh. I have two words for you: Separate bathrooms! |
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"PawsForThought" wrote in message ... Yep. I bit my tongue last night--but I do feel the same way. It's mean thing to do to a cat IMO. And oo ick, I don't WANT my cat using my toilet, anyway! Imagine being sleepy in the middle of the night, going in and sitting down in a puddle because he missed. Yeah it's bad enough when hubby does that, lol Heh heh. I have two words for you: Separate bathrooms! |
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"Anastatia" wrote in message om... You abuse your cats and don't want people to be too harsh with you? Okey dokey. Whoa, I think we need to calm down a little here. We may have some isagreements here about whether toilet training the cat is in its best interests, but to say that it is being "abused" is a little out there. It's not "natural" for cats to live indoors and never go outside, or to refrain from jumping up on the table when you're eating, or to be spayed and neutered either. But this doesn't necessarily equal abuse. Oh, come on. Not the same thing at all. Tell me this: if you, just because you could, required your child to juggle and whistle while peeing if he wanted to pee at all would that be cruel? |
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"Anastatia" wrote in message om... You abuse your cats and don't want people to be too harsh with you? Okey dokey. Whoa, I think we need to calm down a little here. We may have some isagreements here about whether toilet training the cat is in its best interests, but to say that it is being "abused" is a little out there. It's not "natural" for cats to live indoors and never go outside, or to refrain from jumping up on the table when you're eating, or to be spayed and neutered either. But this doesn't necessarily equal abuse. Oh, come on. Not the same thing at all. Tell me this: if you, just because you could, required your child to juggle and whistle while peeing if he wanted to pee at all would that be cruel? |
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From: "Mary"
"PawsForThought" wrote in message ... Yep. I bit my tongue last night--but I do feel the same way. It's mean thing to do to a cat IMO. And oo ick, I don't WANT my cat using my toilet, anyway! Imagine being sleepy in the middle of the night, going in and sitting down in a puddle because he missed. Yeah it's bad enough when hubby does that, lol Heh heh. I have two words for you: Separate bathrooms! LOL, really! Actually I was just kidding, he's not that bad. Of course he didn't come like that, I had to train him Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm |
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No, I guess I don't know as much as you, but then again, I'm not so
offensive that most normal humans would avoid me. I guess your cat has no choice but to tolerate you, but luckily, I'm not in that situation. Being around you would consititute abuse far more than any toilet training. Toodles. "Phil P." wrote in message ... "Anastatia" wrote in message om... You abuse your cats and don't want people to be too harsh with you? Okey dokey. Whoa, I think we need to calm down a little here. Ok. So calm down. We may have some disagreements here about whether toilet training the cat is in its best interests, but to say that it is being "abused" is a little out there. You think so, huh? I think forcing a cat to use a human toilet and depriving her of natural instincts is *way* out there. It's not "natural" for cats to live indoors and never go outside, or to refrain from jumping up on the table when you're eating, or to be spayed and neutered either. But this doesn't necessarily equal abuse. Neutering benefits the cat both physically and psychologically; keeping a cat indoors benefits the cat; teaching a cat to stay off the table benefits the cat (sharp eating utensils, foods toxic to cats). Your analogies do not apply. I agree that at a certain point, if the toilet training isn't working out, its time to give up and give the cat back its box. Maybe it is just not capable of learning to use the toilet, or maybe it genuinely has problems balancing or has an insurrmountable fear. There's a point where it becomes clear that the cat can't or won't use the toilet, and at that point, it's mean to draw it out further. Certainly, if a cat is old and can't get up on the toilet, it should have a litter box. How thoughtful. Third, How do monitor your cats' waste for medical problems? such as polyuria which is a sign of diabetes and chronic renal failure; or worse, oliguria? or anuria? - which is even worse and life-threatening. Take the cat for regular vet checkups. That'll tell you a lot more than monitoring its crap. Abnormal waste products and production are often early warning signs of illness. Do you think an oliguric or an anuric cat will survive until the next scheduled exam? Did you know that a urinary tract obstruction produces a pathophysiologic state equivalent to oliguric acute renal failure? Don't know much about cats, do you? |
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No, I guess I don't know as much as you, but then again, I'm not so
offensive that most normal humans would avoid me. I guess your cat has no choice but to tolerate you, but luckily, I'm not in that situation. Being around you would consititute abuse far more than any toilet training. Toodles. "Phil P." wrote in message ... "Anastatia" wrote in message om... You abuse your cats and don't want people to be too harsh with you? Okey dokey. Whoa, I think we need to calm down a little here. Ok. So calm down. We may have some disagreements here about whether toilet training the cat is in its best interests, but to say that it is being "abused" is a little out there. You think so, huh? I think forcing a cat to use a human toilet and depriving her of natural instincts is *way* out there. It's not "natural" for cats to live indoors and never go outside, or to refrain from jumping up on the table when you're eating, or to be spayed and neutered either. But this doesn't necessarily equal abuse. Neutering benefits the cat both physically and psychologically; keeping a cat indoors benefits the cat; teaching a cat to stay off the table benefits the cat (sharp eating utensils, foods toxic to cats). Your analogies do not apply. I agree that at a certain point, if the toilet training isn't working out, its time to give up and give the cat back its box. Maybe it is just not capable of learning to use the toilet, or maybe it genuinely has problems balancing or has an insurrmountable fear. There's a point where it becomes clear that the cat can't or won't use the toilet, and at that point, it's mean to draw it out further. Certainly, if a cat is old and can't get up on the toilet, it should have a litter box. How thoughtful. Third, How do monitor your cats' waste for medical problems? such as polyuria which is a sign of diabetes and chronic renal failure; or worse, oliguria? or anuria? - which is even worse and life-threatening. Take the cat for regular vet checkups. That'll tell you a lot more than monitoring its crap. Abnormal waste products and production are often early warning signs of illness. Do you think an oliguric or an anuric cat will survive until the next scheduled exam? Did you know that a urinary tract obstruction produces a pathophysiologic state equivalent to oliguric acute renal failure? Don't know much about cats, do you? |
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"Anastatia" wrote in message om... No, I guess I don't know as much as you, It was a rhetorical question. but then again, I'm not so offensive that most normal humans would avoid me. IOW, you're offensive enough that many normal humans avoid you. Did it occur to you that maybe I'm offensive to the people who I want to avoid me? That's another rhetorical question. Lets see if it works on you... I guess your cat has no choice but to tolerate you, I'd be willing to bet my cats live better than you. Wanna take that bet? but luckily, I'm not in that situation. Sounds like you're in a far worse situation. Being around you would consititute abuse far more than any toilet training. Toodles. Tsk, tsk Toodles. Don't be such a sore loser. You should expect responses like mine when you make silly statements and utterly stupid and asinine analogies. What's next? teaching your cat to use a fork and spoon! Thankfully, this wasn't a complete waste of my time; at least you learnt something about cats that you didn't know before. .. "Phil P." wrote in message ... "Anastatia" wrote in message om... You abuse your cats and don't want people to be too harsh with you? Okey dokey. Whoa, I think we need to calm down a little here. Ok. So calm down. We may have some disagreements here about whether toilet training the cat is in its best interests, but to say that it is being "abused" is a little out there. You think so, huh? I think forcing a cat to use a human toilet and depriving her of natural instincts is *way* out there. It's not "natural" for cats to live indoors and never go outside, or to refrain from jumping up on the table when you're eating, or to be spayed and neutered either. But this doesn't necessarily equal abuse. Neutering benefits the cat both physically and psychologically; keeping a cat indoors benefits the cat; teaching a cat to stay off the table benefits the cat (sharp eating utensils, foods toxic to cats). Your analogies do not apply. I agree that at a certain point, if the toilet training isn't working out, its time to give up and give the cat back its box. Maybe it is just not capable of learning to use the toilet, or maybe it genuinely has problems balancing or has an insurrmountable fear. There's a point where it becomes clear that the cat can't or won't use the toilet, and at that point, it's mean to draw it out further. Certainly, if a cat is old and can't get up on the toilet, it should have a litter box. How thoughtful. Third, How do monitor your cats' waste for medical problems? such as polyuria which is a sign of diabetes and chronic renal failure; or worse, oliguria? or anuria? - which is even worse and life-threatening. Take the cat for regular vet checkups. That'll tell you a lot more than monitoring its crap. Abnormal waste products and production are often early warning signs of illness. Do you think an oliguric or an anuric cat will survive until the next scheduled exam? Did you know that a urinary tract obstruction produces a pathophysiologic state equivalent to oliguric acute renal failure? Don't know much about cats, do you? |
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