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Matthew wrote: Now I am one that can vouch that fancy feast has made a difference in my cat. My Rumble was diagnosed diabetic less than a month ago. I had to start giving him a shot of insulin twice a day. I changed him over to a diet of Fancy Feast as suggested by Phil and MaryL. Also they have the most varieties that have gravy and over all numbers had the closest for cards with the most variety of gravy products. The diet change brought Rumble down from a 437 glucose level to 215 in the first week than we did 2 glucose curve the lowest was 73 and the highest was 143. SO the diet change got him off the insulin shots and now he is a happy kitty. That's good. Whey you have numbers like that, you have to deal with the immediate problem and not some renal problem way in the future. And in your case, wet food "solved" the problem and phosphorus is not going to impact the immediate diabetic crisis. It's good to know that. I might ask what you were feeding your cat before Fancy Feast. I would really like to know. Dry food? Common type? |
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wrote in message oups.com... Matthew wrote: Now I am one that can vouch that fancy feast has made a difference in my cat. My Rumble was diagnosed diabetic less than a month ago. I had to start giving him a shot of insulin twice a day. I changed him over to a diet of Fancy Feast as suggested by Phil and MaryL. Also they have the most varieties that have gravy and over all numbers had the closest for cards with the most variety of gravy products. The diet change brought Rumble down from a 437 glucose level to 215 in the first week than we did 2 glucose curve the lowest was 73 and the highest was 143. SO the diet change got him off the insulin shots and now he is a happy kitty. That's good. Whey you have numbers like that, you have to deal with the immediate problem and not some renal problem way in the future. And in your case, wet food "solved" the problem and phosphorus is not going to impact the immediate diabetic crisis. It's good to know that. I might ask what you were feeding your cat before Fancy Feast. I would really like to know. Dry food? Common type? Both a variety of all wetfood as their main stay they could free feed on dry food all types mostly 9 lives Whiskas deli cat dry food. I have one cat that will only eat dry food and he is fit as a fiddle. Rumble still free feeds but is not to interested in dry food. I have changed their dry food type to Purina weight control and health urinary tract. rumble get fancy feast dry food if he wants a treat |
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My cat Gypsy Lee Rose..snubbed her nose at it.
I was disappointed at her for not liking it. She loves Fancy Feast Tuna and Shrimp dinner. Also...The Sardines and Crab mix. I gave her some of the new Meow Mix Tuna and Shrimp in the small packs. She'd love it. These cats are so fuzzy. I spend a lot of money on them too. |
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" wrote:
wrote: " wrote: My main "beef" with them is the rather high to intolerably high phosphorus levels. This is akin to humans and McDonald's and the sky high fat and salt contents of those junk foods. You seem to have this backwards from the many posts I have seen on this NG regarding dry matter analysis. Several flavors have very good phosphorous levels. Some flavors, I agree aren't that good, but some are excellent. However I do think the protein levels are little too high for my 16 year old. He's now on MediCal Reduced Protein (renal diet). -mhd Would you care to explain? How do I have it backwards? Dry matter basis is the only way to compare foods across the board. Are you sure that you do not have it "backwards?" We always stress that dry matter basis is the only way to go. Do not go by As Fed and do not go by Guaranteed. If you do by As Fed, you convert to dry matter basis by dividing with the non-moisture content as a whole. This is easy to find because in the case of FF, it's usually 78% moisture, consequently, 22% non-moisture. You misread my post I did not say that your comprehension of dry matter is backwards, I am saying that you have an opinion of Friskies that is backwards. And I'll stand behind what I said, of the 60 types of FF, only 2 meet my specifications. If you go by Phil P.'s recommendations, you can go up to 4 or 5. 4 or 5 not good enough for you? -mhd |
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wrote in message ... " wrote: wrote: " wrote: My main "beef" with them is the rather high to intolerably high phosphorus levels. This is akin to humans and McDonald's and the sky high fat and salt contents of those junk foods. You seem to have this backwards from the many posts I have seen on this NG regarding dry matter analysis. Several flavors have very good phosphorous levels. Some flavors, I agree aren't that good, but some are excellent. However I do think the protein levels are little too high for my 16 year old. He's now on MediCal Reduced Protein (renal diet). -mhd Would you care to explain? How do I have it backwards? Dry matter basis is the only way to compare foods across the board. Are you sure that you do not have it "backwards?" We always stress that dry matter basis is the only way to go. Do not go by As Fed and do not go by Guaranteed. If you do by As Fed, you convert to dry matter basis by dividing with the non-moisture content as a whole. This is easy to find because in the case of FF, it's usually 78% moisture, consequently, 22% non-moisture. You misread my post I did not say that your comprehension of dry matter is backwards, I am saying that you have an opinion of Friskies that is backwards. And I'll stand behind what I said, of the 60 types of FF, only 2 meet my specifications. If you go by Phil P.'s recommendations, you can go up to 4 or 5. 4 or 5 not good enough for you? -mhd I wouldn't take anything "Treeline" says too seriously- he's a tad OCD and seriously anal. He criticized the The Flintstones as if it was a documentary. You know the saying "a little knowledge can be dangerous".... Fanct Feast has makes about a dozen diets that have acceptable to very good phosphorus levels. These are some of them: Marinated Beef Feast:.......0.18% (AF) - 0.81% (DMB) Marinated Chicken Feast:.0.09% (AF) - 0.40% (DMB) Marinated Salmon Feast:..0.13% (AF) - 0.59% (DMB) Grilled Chicken Feast:......0.18% (AF) - 0.81% (DMB) Grilled Turkey Feast:........0.21% (AF) - 0.95% (DMB) Grilled Tuna Feast:...........0.18% (AF) - 0.81% (DMB) Minced Beef Feast:..........0.17% (AF) - 0.77% (DMB) Sliced Beef Feast:............0.17% (AF) - 0.77% (DMB) Sliced Beef & Giblets Feast: 0.18% (AF) - 0.81% (DMB) Sliced Chicken Hearts & Liver Feast: 0.21% (AF) - 0.95% (DMB) Seafood Filets Tuna & Oceanfish in Aspic: 0.16% (AF) - 0.72% (DMB) Its true most Science Diet products have excellent nutrient values- but it doesn't matter how perfectly formulated a diet is if the cat won't eat it- What good are "perfect" nutrient levels if the cat won't eat it and dies of malnutrition or FHL??? Maybe someday Treeline will learn its more important to treat the cat than the numbers.... |
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wrote in message oups.com... I don't trust the companies, especially Purina / Nestle which is very difficult to get these numbers LOL! I got all the proximate analyses for all their diets in about 30 seconds- If you babble on the phone with the pet food companies as much as you babble here, I'm amazed if you get any information at all! If I was a company rep I'd hang up on you after 10 seconds or I'd put you on hold until I punched out and went home! |
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wrote in message ups.com... We always stress that dry matter basis is the only way to go. Actually, the caloric basis is the only way to go- since the amount of nutrients that the cat actually receives from the food depends on the amount of food the cat consumes. The dry matter basis is only used for comparing nutrient values between canned food and dry food- not the actual amount of the nutrients the cat consumes. "50% protein DMB" means nothing. You want to know how many grams of a nutrient a cat actually consumes in a given amount of food. Stop confusing people with your mindless anal blabber. |
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I'm still waiting for one of the major food companies to put out a dry
food without corn and wheat gluten. Purina Pro Plan did, but they removed it from the line. Iams has a good line but unless you start your cat on it, for some reason they walk away from the plate. Is the Elegant Medley line dry or wet food or both? " wrote in ups.com: Buddy wrote: Has anyone tried the new Fancy Feast "Elegant Medley" yet? There are several flavors - but the are 89 cents for a small can!!! I bought one today and my boy liked it. People really love McDonald's - loving food does not equate always with what's good on a daily basis. My own experience with Fancy Feast has been rather negative on the whole. Purina seems more intent on advertising ploys, fonts and what not, instead of making available exactly what is the analysis of the food inside. My main "beef" with them is the rather high to intolerably high phosphorus levels. This is akin to humans and McDonald's and the sky high fat and salt contents of those junk foods. I'm concerned that high phosphorus level may shorten the life of the cat in the long run. And may be why most cats die around 15 years of age and die of renal failure. I prefer moderate phosphorus levels of less than 0.80% on a dry matter basis. That is 0.80% not "as fed" or "guaranteed" but a "dry matter basis." Try getting that information out of Purina / Nestle who make Fancy Feasts. It's like pulling teeth and it's not updated so it's not really tracked that I can determine. In any case, out of the 60 varieties or so, there are only 2 that I would buy for my cat, Marinated Morsels, Chicken or Salmon, in Gravy. The other 58 types, give or take a few, they keep adding and subtracting, I consider expensive garbage. But ubiquitous garbage, like McDonald's. Clean garbage. Packaged prettily garbage but garbage for the most part, in my opinion. Any opinions? |
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It is wet. I think it is supposed to be "gourmet". I only tried one
can - it was roasted chicken with gravy and garden greens - or something like that. My cat loved it. They all have some sort of green vegetable in them. Nice for a treat or for a kitty who doesn't want to eat. wrote: I'm still waiting for one of the major food companies to put out a dry food without corn and wheat gluten. Purina Pro Plan did, but they removed it from the line. Iams has a good line but unless you start your cat on it, for some reason they walk away from the plate. Is the Elegant Medley line dry or wet food or both? " wrote in ups.com: Buddy wrote: Has anyone tried the new Fancy Feast "Elegant Medley" yet? There are several flavors - but the are 89 cents for a small can!!! I bought one today and my boy liked it. People really love McDonald's - loving food does not equate always with what's good on a daily basis. My own experience with Fancy Feast has been rather negative on the whole. Purina seems more intent on advertising ploys, fonts and what not, instead of making available exactly what is the analysis of the food inside. My main "beef" with them is the rather high to intolerably high phosphorus levels. This is akin to humans and McDonald's and the sky high fat and salt contents of those junk foods. I'm concerned that high phosphorus level may shorten the life of the cat in the long run. And may be why most cats die around 15 years of age and die of renal failure. I prefer moderate phosphorus levels of less than 0.80% on a dry matter basis. That is 0.80% not "as fed" or "guaranteed" but a "dry matter basis." Try getting that information out of Purina / Nestle who make Fancy Feasts. It's like pulling teeth and it's not updated so it's not really tracked that I can determine. In any case, out of the 60 varieties or so, there are only 2 that I would buy for my cat, Marinated Morsels, Chicken or Salmon, in Gravy. The other 58 types, give or take a few, they keep adding and subtracting, I consider expensive garbage. But ubiquitous garbage, like McDonald's. Clean garbage. Packaged prettily garbage but garbage for the most part, in my opinion. Any opinions? |
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