Vomiting cat question

On May 13, 10:37 am, Adilah wrote:
Hello members of r.p.c.h+v,

I am hoping you will help settle an argument that my partner and I
have been having about our 17-year old Burmese.

Ozzie, like just about every cat I have ever known, vomits sometimes.
Usually on the floor, but occasionally on the new sofa. I usually
just sigh and clean up the puke, but my partner seems to think he can
"train" Ozzie not to vomit on the sofa by rubbing his nose in it and
saying "NO" very loudly. He has also dealt with the occasional litter
box accident by rubbing his nose in it, screaming "NO," and then
shoving the cat into his litter box where he is "supposed to go."

Now, I am aware that the "rubbing the nose in it" method is useful for
dogs, but I feel that this is not only useless for cats, but is even
traumatizing. My partner, however, claims that he has previously
"trained" cats not to vomit on beds/sofas by doing the rubbing-the-
nose-in-it thing. I get very angry at him when he does this to Ozzie,
and he then accuses me of coddling and spoiling the cat.

I would be very interested to hear the opinions of any cat lovers on
this newsgroup. Thank you in advance for your replies!

Cheers,

Adilah

Thank you to everyone who took the time to answer this question --
especially since you all seem to agree with me! I will show these
replies to my partner, and hopefully he will take them to heart -- he
is a very kind person, and he adores Ozzie (though not as much as I
do!!), but he is somewhat misguided about certain aspects of feline
behavior.

BTW, even though Ozzie is an old kitty, he has only been with us for
about 3 years. He was with his first owner for about 8 years, but
that owner travelled for work and left him alone too often, so Ozzie
ended up going to an eldery neighbor who doted on him. Unfortunately
the elderly neighbor -- my partner's friend's aunt -- went into a
nursing home 3 years ago, and my partner took in the kitty. Ozzie is
the most wonderful kitty I have ever known (and I am a veteran kitty-
whore!): he is sweet, friendly, very vocal, and still in good physical
shape despite his age. In fact, he is sitting in my lap, purring
away, as I type this.

Again, thank you to everyone who contributed to this thread.
Hopefully I can use your input to disabuse my partner of the notion
that he can "train" our kitty not to vomit in certain places!

Cheers,

Adilah

If the behavior from your partner continues find the cat another home
someplace where he will be treated with respect. I personally would kick
the SOB out if I lived with him.

Celeste

"Adilah" wrote in message
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On May 13, 10:37 am, Adilah wrote:
Hello members of r.p.c.h+v,

I am hoping you will help settle an argument that my partner and I
have been having about our 17-year old Burmese.

Ozzie, like just about every cat I have ever known, vomits sometimes.
Usually on the floor, but occasionally on the new sofa. I usually
just sigh and clean up the puke, but my partner seems to think he can
"train" Ozzie not to vomit on the sofa by rubbing his nose in it and
saying "NO" very loudly. He has also dealt with the occasional litter
box accident by rubbing his nose in it, screaming "NO," and then
shoving the cat into his litter box where he is "supposed to go."

Now, I am aware that the "rubbing the nose in it" method is useful for
dogs, but I feel that this is not only useless for cats, but is even
traumatizing. My partner, however, claims that he has previously
"trained" cats not to vomit on beds/sofas by doing the rubbing-the-
nose-in-it thing. I get very angry at him when he does this to Ozzie,
and he then accuses me of coddling and spoiling the cat.

I would be very interested to hear the opinions of any cat lovers on
this newsgroup. Thank you in advance for your replies!

Cheers,

Adilah

Thank you to everyone who took the time to answer this question --
especially since you all seem to agree with me! I will show these
replies to my partner, and hopefully he will take them to heart -- he
is a very kind person, and he adores Ozzie (though not as much as I
do!!), but he is somewhat misguided about certain aspects of feline
behavior.

BTW, even though Ozzie is an old kitty, he has only been with us for
about 3 years. He was with his first owner for about 8 years, but
that owner travelled for work and left him alone too often, so Ozzie
ended up going to an eldery neighbor who doted on him. Unfortunately
the elderly neighbor -- my partner's friend's aunt -- went into a
nursing home 3 years ago, and my partner took in the kitty. Ozzie is
the most wonderful kitty I have ever known (and I am a veteran kitty-
whore!): he is sweet, friendly, very vocal, and still in good physical
shape despite his age. In fact, he is sitting in my lap, purring
away, as I type this.

Again, thank you to everyone who contributed to this thread.
Hopefully I can use your input to disabuse my partner of the notion
that he can "train" our kitty not to vomit in certain places!

Cheers,

Adilah

Adilah wrote:
Hello members of r.p.c.h+v,

I am hoping you will help settle an argument that my partner and I
have been having about our 17-year old Burmese.

Ozzie, like just about every cat I have ever known, vomits sometimes.
Usually on the floor, but occasionally on the new sofa. I usually
just sigh and clean up the puke, but my partner seems to think he can
"train" Ozzie not to vomit on the sofa by rubbing his nose in it and
saying "NO" very loudly. He has also dealt with the occasional litter
box accident by rubbing his nose in it, screaming "NO," and then
shoving the cat into his litter box where he is "supposed to go."

He's an asshole. Never treat any animal this way, not a cat, not a
dog, not ANY animal. They don't understand and wuill resent you for
doing this. they can't control where they vomit.

Have your cat checked for renal failure. Frequent vomiiting is one of
the signs.

-L.

On 13 May, 15:37, Adilah wrote:
Hello members of r.p.c.h+v,

I am hoping you will help settle an argument that my partner and I
have been having about our 17-year old Burmese.

Ozzie, like just about every cat I have ever known, vomits sometimes.
Usually on the floor, but occasionally on the new sofa. I usually
just sigh and clean up the puke, but my partner seems to think he can
"train" Ozzie not to vomit on the sofa by rubbing his nose in it and
saying "NO" very loudly. He has also dealt with the occasional litter
box accident by rubbing his nose in it, screaming "NO," and then
shoving the cat into his litter box where he is "supposed to go."

Now, I am aware that the "rubbing the nose in it" method is useful for
dogs, but I feel that this is not only useless for cats, but is even
traumatizing. My partner, however, claims that he has previously
"trained" cats not to vomit on beds/sofas by doing the rubbing-the-
nose-in-it thing. I get very angry at him when he does this to Ozzie,
and he then accuses me of coddling and spoiling the cat.

I would be very interested to hear the opinions of any cat lovers on
this newsgroup. Thank you in advance for your replies!

Cheers,

Adilah

your partner is a ****ing cretin, if i were you i would leave him and
find someone with some intelligence. How on earth does rubbing a cats
nose in it prevent said cat fro throing up when he feels ill? when you
need to puke you need to puke and have little or no control over when
or where it surfaces. the cat is not being malicious or nasty by
puking, it just has to sometimes if it is not feelign well or there is
an obstruction or something, and rubbing the cats nose in it's puke is
cruel, vicious nasty and evil, and will have no effect on the cats
behaviour except to make it more frightened and nervous and probably
avoid your partner (not such a bad thing if your partner is such a
vicious ****, i woudl keep my distance too).

where did he get his ideas from? woudl he liek it if someone rubbed
his nose in his puke when he ill/ woudl that make him better? what
about when he is old and incontinent? will rubbing his nose in his
soiled bedsheets suddenly make his bladder control better so he won't
do ti anymore? your cat is very old and she/he will tend to have more
'accidents' now, not cos they want to, buut because in human years
they are about 70+years old now and probably have less control over
their functions they they did before and so leaks and things will
occur more often now. Could you imagine him doing similar to your
grandma or mother when they are in their old age? NO! because you know
that they are not doing it deliberately, but because they can't ehpl
themselevs, so how distressin for them would it be to have their noses
rubbed in it?

not only that but you say your cat is 17, has this ****** not heard
the term "can't teach and old dog new tricks?"

the man is not just stupid but downright nasty too, what are you doing
letting him anywhere near your cat in the first place with deranged
ideas like this? the man is a cretin and if you love your cat at all
you MUST stop this ****** from continuing this nasty and spiteful
behaviour NOW

shaking my head in utter disbelief,
bookie

On 14 May, 01:52, "Spot" wrote:
If the behavior from your partner continues find the cat another home
someplace where he will be treated with respect. I personally would kick
the SOB out if I lived with him.

Celeste

"Adilah" wrote in message

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On May 13, 10:37 am, Adilah wrote:
Hello members of r.p.c.h+v,

I am hoping you will help settle an argument that my partner and I
have been having about our 17-year old Burmese.

Ozzie, like just about every cat I have ever known, vomits sometimes.
Usually on the floor, but occasionally on the new sofa. I usually
just sigh and clean up the puke, but my partner seems to think he can
"train" Ozzie not to vomit on the sofa by rubbing his nose in it and
saying "NO" very loudly. He has also dealt with the occasional litter
box accident by rubbing his nose in it, screaming "NO," and then
shoving the cat into his litter box where he is "supposed to go."

Now, I am aware that the "rubbing the nose in it" method is useful for
dogs, but I feel that this is not only useless for cats, but is even
traumatizing. My partner, however, claims that he has previously
"trained" cats not to vomit on beds/sofas by doing the rubbing-the-
nose-in-it thing. I get very angry at him when he does this to Ozzie,
and he then accuses me of coddling and spoiling the cat.

I would be very interested to hear the opinions of any cat lovers on
this newsgroup. Thank you in advance for your replies!

Cheers,

Adilah

Thank you to everyone who took the time to answer this question --
especially since you all seem to agree with me! I will show these
replies to my partner, and hopefully he will take them to heart -- he
is a very kind person, and he adores Ozzie (though not as much as I
do!!), but he is somewhat misguided about certain aspects of feline
behavior.

BTW, even though Ozzie is an old kitty, he has only been with us for
about 3 years. He was with his first owner for about 8 years, but
that owner travelled for work and left him alone too often, so Ozzie
ended up going to an eldery neighbor who doted on him. Unfortunately
the elderly neighbor -- my partner's friend's aunt -- went into a
nursing home 3 years ago, and my partner took in the kitty. Ozzie is
the most wonderful kitty I have ever known (and I am a veteran kitty-
whore!): he is sweet, friendly, very vocal, and still in good physical
shape despite his age. In fact, he is sitting in my lap, purring
away, as I type this.

Again, thank you to everyone who contributed to this thread.
Hopefully I can use your input to disabuse my partner of the notion
that he can "train" our kitty not to vomit in certain places!

Cheers,

Adilah- Hide quoted text -

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i agree too, it woudl be better for poor ozzie to live with someone
who treated him with respect and understood that he is gettig old and
needs to have care not punishment for all those things which happen
when you get old

i feel so sorry for ozzie, please think about finding him another home
if your retarded partner can;t stop being so cruel and abusive

On 13 May, 15:37, Adilah wrote:
Hello members of r.p.c.h+v,

I am hoping you will help settle an argument that my partner and I
have been having about our 17-year old Burmese.

Ozzie, like just about every cat I have ever known, vomits sometimes.
Usually on the floor, but occasionally on the new sofa. I usually
just sigh and clean up the puke, but my partner seems to think he can
"train" Ozzie not to vomit on the sofa by rubbing his nose in it and
saying "NO" very loudly. He has also dealt with the occasional litter
box accident by rubbing his nose in it, screaming "NO," and then
shoving the cat into his litter box where he is "supposed to go."

Now, I am aware that the "rubbing the nose in it" method is useful for
dogs, but I feel that this is not only useless for cats, but is even
traumatizing. My partner, however, claims that he has previously
"trained" cats not to vomit on beds/sofas by doing the rubbing-the-
nose-in-it thing. I get very angry at him when he does this to Ozzie,
and he then accuses me of coddling and spoiling the cat.

I would be very interested to hear the opinions of any cat lovers on
this newsgroup. Thank you in advance for your replies!

Cheers,

Adilah

also, can you please write back and reassure us that this is not going
to happen again, i am worried now and can only think of the awful
distress and suffering poor ozzie is going through right now

well, ok,. not just that, i am also thinking about what it might be
like to shove a certain person's nose in a big pile of their own poo
and vomit to see who he likes it actually, ooooooh I would really like
to do that now

On 14 May, 14:44, bookie wrote:
On 13 May, 15:37, Adilah wrote:





Hello members of r.p.c.h+v,

I am hoping you will help settle an argument that my partner and I
have been having about our 17-year old Burmese.

Ozzie, like just about every cat I have ever known, vomits sometimes.
Usually on the floor, but occasionally on the new sofa. I usually
just sigh and clean up the puke, but my partner seems to think he can
"train" Ozzie not to vomit on the sofa by rubbing his nose in it and
saying "NO" very loudly. He has also dealt with the occasional litter
box accident by rubbing his nose in it, screaming "NO," and then
shoving the cat into his litter box where he is "supposed to go."

Now, I am aware that the "rubbing the nose in it" method is useful for
dogs, but I feel that this is not only useless for cats, but is even
traumatizing. My partner, however, claims that he has previously
"trained" cats not to vomit on beds/sofas by doing the rubbing-the-
nose-in-it thing. I get very angry at him when he does this to Ozzie,
and he then accuses me of coddling and spoiling the cat.

I would be very interested to hear the opinions of any cat lovers on
this newsgroup. Thank you in advance for your replies!

Cheers,

Adilah

your partner is a ****ing cretin, if i were you i would leave him and
find someone with some intelligence. How on earth does rubbing a cats
nose in it prevent said cat fro throing up when he feels ill? when you
need to puke you need to puke and have little or no control over when
or where it surfaces. the cat is not being malicious or nasty by
puking, it just has to sometimes if it is not feelign well or there is
an obstruction or something, and rubbing the cats nose in it's puke is
cruel, vicious nasty and evil, and will have no effect on the cats
behaviour except to make it more frightened and nervous and probably
avoid your partner (not such a bad thing if your partner is such a
vicious ****, i woudl keep my distance too).

where did he get his ideas from? woudl he liek it if someone rubbed
his nose in his puke when he ill/ woudl that make him better? what
about when he is old and incontinent? will rubbing his nose in his
soiled bedsheets suddenly make his bladder control better so he won't
do ti anymore? your cat is very old and she/he will tend to have more
'accidents' now, not cos they want to, buut because in human years
they are about 70+years old now and probably have less control over
their functions they they did before and so leaks and things will
occur more often now. Could you imagine him doing similar to your
grandma or mother when they are in their old age? NO! because you know
that they are not doing it deliberately, but because they can't ehpl
themselevs, so how distressin for them would it be to have their noses
rubbed in it?

not only that but you say your cat is 17, has this ****** not heard
the term "can't teach and old dog new tricks?"

the man is not just stupid but downright nasty too, what are you doing
letting him anywhere near your cat in the first place with deranged
ideas like this? the man is a cretin and if you love your cat at all
you MUST stop this ****** from continuing this nasty and spiteful
behaviour NOW

shaking my head in utter disbelief,
bookie- Hide quoted text -

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I couldn't agree more with you if I tried. It is not border line
abuse, it is Abuse, full stop!
If the authorities had any idea that this was transpiring, they would
remove custodial ownership to somewhere that the cat would no longer
be abused in this manner, & would be free from the bullying that the
poor cat has no chance to escape from.

In fact, I would go further. By not reporting what has happened to
your cat, makes you just as liable for his actions as he is. You have
had every opportunity to ensure that your cat was not subjected to
this abuse, & if you lived in the UK, you would be prosecuted too & be
banned from animal ownership for life, which is about the right thing
that you would deserve for allowing it to continue.

Do not look for sympathy or support for what you have told us, because
you do not deserve it. It makes me angry to think that you might look
or find support with a group who's first interest is to the cat, not
the owner, or the abuser. In our country, if you stand by and watch
this abuse happen, you are as guilty as the offender.

I am disgusted that you thought you would find it here,& even more
disillusioned that you felt people were supporting you rather than
your partner.

The best thing that you could do for this cat is to take it to a no
kill policy shelter & allow a family who will care for him in a
respectable loving manner where he will be appreciated & enjoy his
twilight years in safety & peace. You are doing him no favours at all,
merely looking for sympathy here, & support to throw at your
boyfriend...Not to help the cat in anyway at all. If you did care
about this cat, you would be posting about the terrible boyfriend that
you saved your cat from!

I very much hope that you take these words to heart and do the right
thing regarding the cat in your care
K.

"Adilah" wrote in message
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Hello members of r.p.c.h+v,

I am hoping you will help settle an argument that my partner and I
have been having about our 17-year old Burmese.

Ozzie, like just about every cat I have ever known, vomits sometimes.
Usually on the floor, but occasionally on the new sofa. I usually
just sigh and clean up the puke, but my partner seems to think he can
"train" Ozzie not to vomit on the sofa by rubbing his nose in it and
saying "NO" very loudly. He has also dealt with the occasional litter
box accident by rubbing his nose in it, screaming "NO," and then
shoving the cat into his litter box where he is "supposed to go."

Now, I am aware that the "rubbing the nose in it" method is useful for
dogs, but I feel that this is not only useless for cats, but is even
traumatizing. My partner, however, claims that he has previously
"trained" cats not to vomit on beds/sofas by doing the rubbing-the-
nose-in-it thing. I get very angry at him when he does this to Ozzie,
and he then accuses me of coddling and spoiling the cat.

I would be very interested to hear the opinions of any cat lovers on
this newsgroup. Thank you in advance for your replies!

Cheers,

Adilah


The rubbing nose is not only a stupid way but a ignorant way all you do is
make the animal fear you and tell the animal that this is a good spot to use

Use common sense you know your partner is a idiot. When your "partner" does
this grab them by the back of the neck shove their face into it and say
don't do it again. What would happen?

If I saw your mate doing this in my presence not only would I call the law
for animal abuse but my 12 inch boot would go where the sun don't shine

IMO take you mate by the back of the neck and drop kick it out the door
telling them don't let the door knob hit you where the good lord split ya'

On 14 May, 18:39, "Matthew" wrote:
"Adilah" wrote in message

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Hello members of r.p.c.h+v,

I am hoping you will help settle an argument that my partner and I
have been having about our 17-year old Burmese.

Ozzie, like just about every cat I have ever known, vomits sometimes.
Usually on the floor, but occasionally on the new sofa. I usually
just sigh and clean up the puke, but my partner seems to think he can
"train" Ozzie not to vomit on the sofa by rubbing his nose in it and
saying "NO" very loudly. He has also dealt with the occasional litter
box accident by rubbing his nose in it, screaming "NO," and then
shoving the cat into his litter box where he is "supposed to go."

Now, I am aware that the "rubbing the nose in it" method is useful for
dogs, but I feel that this is not only useless for cats, but is even
traumatizing. My partner, however, claims that he has previously
"trained" cats not to vomit on beds/sofas by doing the rubbing-the-
nose-in-it thing. I get very angry at him when he does this to Ozzie,
and he then accuses me of coddling and spoiling the cat.

I would be very interested to hear the opinions of any cat lovers on
this newsgroup. Thank you in advance for your replies!

Cheers,

Adilah

The rubbing nose is not only a stupid way but a ignorant way all you do is
make the animal fear you and tell the animal that this is a good spot to use

Use common sense you know your partner is a idiot. When your "partner" does
this grab them by the back of the neck shove their face into it and say
don't do it again. What would happen?

If I saw your mate doing this in my presence not only would I call the law
for animal abuse but my 12 inch boot would go where the sun don't shine

IMO take you mate by the back of the neck and drop kick it out the door
telling them don't let the door knob hit you where the good lord split ya'- Hide quoted text -

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I can't believe that any one would do any other than as you suggest.
This is repulsive & as far as I am concerned Must be a troll posting,
surely?
K.

On May 14, 9:50 am, bookie wrote:
On 13 May, 15:37, Adilah wrote:


Hello members of r.p.c.h+v,

I am hoping you will help settle an argument that my partner and I
have been having about our 17-year old Burmese.

Ozzie, like just about every cat I have ever known, vomits sometimes.
Usually on the floor, but occasionally on the new sofa. I usually
just sigh and clean up the puke, but my partner seems to think he can
"train" Ozzie not to vomit on the sofa by rubbing his nose in it and
saying "NO" very loudly. He has also dealt with the occasional litter
box accident by rubbing his nose in it, screaming "NO," and then
shoving the cat into his litter box where he is "supposed to go."

Now, I am aware that the "rubbing the nose in it" method is useful for
dogs, but I feel that this is not only useless for cats, but is even
traumatizing. My partner, however, claims that he has previously
"trained" cats not to vomit on beds/sofas by doing the rubbing-the-
nose-in-it thing. I get very angry at him when he does this to Ozzie,
and he then accuses me of coddling and spoiling the cat.

I would be very interested to hear the opinions of any cat lovers on
this newsgroup. Thank you in advance for your replies!

Cheers,

Adilah

also, can you please write back and reassure us that this is not going
to happen again, i am worried now and can only think of the awful
distress and suffering poor ozzie is going through right now

(snip)

No, I won't be writing back to "reassure" you. There seem to be way
too many judgmental, overdramatic, and gratuitously nasty people on
this newsgroup, and in the future I will be seeking cat-related advice
elsewhere.

However, I do appreciate the few of you who gave thoughtful replies to
my original post, instead of attacking my partner and me. Many thanks
to those mature adults who replied to my post with logic instead of
viciousness -- I now feel much more confident in confronting my
partner about his obviously misguided "training methods" for Ozzie.

To the rest of you, I hope your real-life interpersonal skills are
better than what you demonstrate on Usenet (where, unfortunately,
every asshole has a soapbox). I'm glad you have your kitties, because
I suspect that many of you have few or no human friends.

Thank you again to the "grownups" on this group. Ozzie is sitting on
my lap (with his neck stretched across my arm as I type on my laptop)
and he sends you his fondest purrs.

Adilah