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June 6th 04, 11:19 PM
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in article , Jo Firey at
wrote on 6/6/04 1:34 PM: "Jeanne Hedge" wrote in message ... THank you for your detailed reply. I was hoping someone who knew a little more than the bare gloss details would. (Plus means I don't have to look up details on past winners for my argument with my spouse) It would be great for racing if a known popular horse like Smarty continued to race. Might get more TV coverage and more real fans. This year, the NTRA is having a series to get people looped into the Breeders cup which I am THRILLED about. Super Saturdays: NTRA Super Saturdays Lineup June 12: ESPN, 4-6 p.m. (EDT) Stephen Foster Handicap (gr. I), Churchill Downs Brooklyn Handicap (gr. II), Belmont Park Fleur de Lis Stakes (gr. II), Churchill Downs Charles Whittingham Memorial Handicap (gr. IT), Hollywood Park Ohio Derby (gr. II), Thistledown July 3, ESPN, 4-6 p.m. (EDT) United Nations Handicap (gr. IT), Monmouth Park Suburban Handicap (gr. I), Belmont Park Firecracker Breeders' Cup Handicap (gr. IIT), Churchill Downs American Oaks (gr. IT), Hollywood Park Royal Ascot recap Aug. 14, ABC, 4-6 p.m. (EDT) Arlington Million (gr. IT), Arlington Park Alfred Vanderbilt Handicap (gr. II), Saratoga Sword Dancer Handicap (gr. IT), Saratoga Beverly D. Stakes (gr. IT), Arlington Park Sept. 19, ABC, 4-6 p.m. (EDT) Belmont Futurity (gr. I), Belmont Park Matron Stakes (gr. I), Belmont Park Atto Mile (gr. IT), Woodbine Ruffian Stakes (gr. I) Belmont Park Oct. 2, ESPN, 4-6 p.m. (EDT) Jockey Club Gold Cup (gr. I), Belmont Park Joe Hirsch Turf Classic (gr. IT), Belmont Park Yellow Ribbon Stakes (gr. IT), Oak Tree Clement Hirsch Handicap (gr. IT), Oak Tree Vosburgh Handicap (gr. I), Belmont Park Flower Bowl Invitational Handicap (gr. IT), Belmont Park 
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#53
June 7th 04, 03:30 PM
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On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 17:15:38 -0500, Karen Chuplis
yodeled: (snip) The champion racehorse John Henry raced (and won) until he was 9 during the '70s and '80s. Of course, being a gelding he had no future career as a stud for his owners to try to make money from. Another champion racehorse, Cigar, won all 10 of his races as a 5 year old (1995), and continued his streak to ultimately tie the all-time record of 16 consecutive wins in 1996. He retired as a 6 year old late that year and went on to a career at stud. I *think* both horses are still alive, although John Henry would be pushing 30 if he is. Jeanne Hedge, as directed by Natasha http://www.jhedge.com Last I heard John Henry is alive and ornrey as ever, kicking up his heels at 29. Bless his grumpy heart. Now there's a racehorse.  And what does hehave to be so nasty about? Imagine what he was like before he was cut. :P I think Cigar is too. Yep, if you aren't a gelding, and you are a champ, you won't race past year 4. Too chancy and too expensive. I saw that SJ's owners are expecting to run him as a four-year -old. I hope so. He might really blossom as a four year old. Speaking of that, I think that Rock Hard Ten's owners should seriously consider keeping him running as a four-year-old. He probably won't mentally grow into that ridiculously big body of his until then. Theresa My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com alt.tv.frasier FAQ: http://www.im-listening.net/FAQ/
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#54
June 7th 04, 03:30 PM
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On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 17:15:38 -0500, Karen Chuplis
yodeled: (snip) The champion racehorse John Henry raced (and won) until he was 9 during the '70s and '80s. Of course, being a gelding he had no future career as a stud for his owners to try to make money from. Another champion racehorse, Cigar, won all 10 of his races as a 5 year old (1995), and continued his streak to ultimately tie the all-time record of 16 consecutive wins in 1996. He retired as a 6 year old late that year and went on to a career at stud. I *think* both horses are still alive, although John Henry would be pushing 30 if he is. Jeanne Hedge, as directed by Natasha http://www.jhedge.com Last I heard John Henry is alive and ornrey as ever, kicking up his heels at 29. Bless his grumpy heart. Now there's a racehorse. And what does hehave to be so nasty about? Imagine what he was like before he was cut. :P I think Cigar is too. Yep, if you aren't a gelding, and you are a champ, you won't race past year 4. Too chancy and too expensive. I saw that SJ's owners are expecting to run him as a four-year -old. I hope so. He might really blossom as a four year old. Speaking of that, I think that Rock Hard Ten's owners should seriously consider keeping him running as a four-year-old. He probably won't mentally grow into that ridiculously big body of his until then. Theresa My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com alt.tv.frasier FAQ: http://www.im-listening.net/FAQ/
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June 7th 04, 03:30 PM
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On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 17:15:38 -0500, Karen Chuplis
yodeled: (snip) The champion racehorse John Henry raced (and won) until he was 9 during the '70s and '80s. Of course, being a gelding he had no future career as a stud for his owners to try to make money from. Another champion racehorse, Cigar, won all 10 of his races as a 5 year old (1995), and continued his streak to ultimately tie the all-time record of 16 consecutive wins in 1996. He retired as a 6 year old late that year and went on to a career at stud. I *think* both horses are still alive, although John Henry would be pushing 30 if he is. Jeanne Hedge, as directed by Natasha http://www.jhedge.com Last I heard John Henry is alive and ornrey as ever, kicking up his heels at 29. Bless his grumpy heart. Now there's a racehorse. And what does hehave to be so nasty about? Imagine what he was like before he was cut. :P I think Cigar is too. Yep, if you aren't a gelding, and you are a champ, you won't race past year 4. Too chancy and too expensive. I saw that SJ's owners are expecting to run him as a four-year -old. I hope so. He might really blossom as a four year old. Speaking of that, I think that Rock Hard Ten's owners should seriously consider keeping him running as a four-year-old. He probably won't mentally grow into that ridiculously big body of his until then. Theresa My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com alt.tv.frasier FAQ: http://www.im-listening.net/FAQ/
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June 11th 04, 02:30 AM
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Ok, now I've figured out that the Belmont Stakes is a horse race, but what is the "big deal" about it? I"ve never heard of it till now. Yowie
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June 11th 04, 02:30 AM
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Ok, now I've figured out that the Belmont Stakes is a horse race, but what is the "big deal" about it? I"ve never heard of it till now. Yowie
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June 11th 04, 02:30 AM
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Ok, now I've figured out that the Belmont Stakes is a horse race, but what is the "big deal" about it? I"ve never heard of it till now. Yowie
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June 12th 04, 03:40 PM
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in article , Yowie at
wrote on 6/10/04 8:30 PM: Ok, now I've figured out that the Belmont Stakes is a horse race, but what is the "big deal" about it? I"ve never heard of it till now. Yowie It's the third race in a series of races that has become known as The Triple Crown. It's the longest and most grueling. THe Kentucky Derby is the first leg, the Preakness the second and the Belmont the third. It is now often argued as an obsolete race because there is maybe one other 12 furlong race in the U.S. Horses are now bred for speed and not distance. The races are *only* to be entered by 3 year old horses. Since 1919 there have only been 11 horses to do it. It is said to be the most difficult athletic event beside golf's Grand Slam (of which I know nothing about). The biggest deal on this one is that somehow, there was a huge national interest, far above average for horseracing in the outcome of this one because the owners and the horse itself are so endearing. They are from the working class race courses and the horse is owned by an elderly couple who came from the working class and built up a car sales business of healthy proportions. The first trainer who was well respected was murdered along with his wife by his stepson when he discovered the stepson was stealing checks and cashing them with forged signatures. The elderly couple were devestated and sold off all but two of their horses. One of those was a colt now named Smarty Jones after the wife's mother who shared a birthday with the horse. The new trainer is a good trainer at a very (for a racetrack) small racetrack. Seems to be a totally upstanding fellow, married his best friend, solid, adoring father to two boys (considers this entire year wonderful except for the fact he had to be away from family). Completely squashed every famous jockey that wanted to ride this horse but insisting only the jockey that had always ridden him would continue to do so, thereby putting one of the good but never known jockey's in the limelight. Smarty himself nearly was killed in a gate accident at two years old. It was an accident that many horses (extremely volitile to "remembered" pain) would not have come back from successfully. Instead, Smarty won every race he was entered in after his recovery. He went into the KD undefeated and won, the first since 1977 to do that and then won the Preakness by the widest margin in its 129 year history. He lost the Belmont (and therefore the Triple Crown) by a short length to a fresh horse (meaning the horse had not raced in the Preakness and had 3 extra weeks of rest). The rest of the horses were at least eight lengths behind. Hopefully, he will come back and show any doubters that he *is* an amazing horse (yes, he seems to still have to prove this to many) by winning against older horses (his times have already shown he can do this) later this year. Normally, you see, horses that get to this point are owned by sheiks or "old money" families and trained by the big name trainers. Seattle Slew and last years Funny Cide are exceptions to this. Seattle Slew *did* win the triple crown undefeated. Funny Cide did not win the Belmont and his story (also pretty fun and now in a book, soon to be movie on TV) either. Smarty's difference from Funny Cide is that 1) the entire state of Philadelphia - where Smarty and his folk are - are desparately seeking a champion. This was going to be THEIR year. Alas, it is not. The big difference here is that even the doubting big name sports writers believe in Smarty Jones ability. All the jockeys believe in him. The other trainers!! believe in him. He is quite the story here. Here is a great story that shows you just how much this horse affected everyone: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...09/viewpoint/i ndex.html I put together a slide show that seems to show his personality and it also shows how much his connections love him: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/kch...=/282e&.src=ph and this article, well, this is just what it's all about (possible TW here. It's so sweet): http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories...StoryID=254728 Karen (can you tell I'm totally sucked in by racing?)
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June 12th 04, 03:40 PM
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in article , Yowie at
wrote on 6/10/04 8:30 PM: Ok, now I've figured out that the Belmont Stakes is a horse race, but what is the "big deal" about it? I"ve never heard of it till now. Yowie It's the third race in a series of races that has become known as The Triple Crown. It's the longest and most grueling. THe Kentucky Derby is the first leg, the Preakness the second and the Belmont the third. It is now often argued as an obsolete race because there is maybe one other 12 furlong race in the U.S. Horses are now bred for speed and not distance. The races are *only* to be entered by 3 year old horses. Since 1919 there have only been 11 horses to do it. It is said to be the most difficult athletic event beside golf's Grand Slam (of which I know nothing about). The biggest deal on this one is that somehow, there was a huge national interest, far above average for horseracing in the outcome of this one because the owners and the horse itself are so endearing. They are from the working class race courses and the horse is owned by an elderly couple who came from the working class and built up a car sales business of healthy proportions. The first trainer who was well respected was murdered along with his wife by his stepson when he discovered the stepson was stealing checks and cashing them with forged signatures. The elderly couple were devestated and sold off all but two of their horses. One of those was a colt now named Smarty Jones after the wife's mother who shared a birthday with the horse. The new trainer is a good trainer at a very (for a racetrack) small racetrack. Seems to be a totally upstanding fellow, married his best friend, solid, adoring father to two boys (considers this entire year wonderful except for the fact he had to be away from family). Completely squashed every famous jockey that wanted to ride this horse but insisting only the jockey that had always ridden him would continue to do so, thereby putting one of the good but never known jockey's in the limelight. Smarty himself nearly was killed in a gate accident at two years old. It was an accident that many horses (extremely volitile to "remembered" pain) would not have come back from successfully. Instead, Smarty won every race he was entered in after his recovery. He went into the KD undefeated and won, the first since 1977 to do that and then won the Preakness by the widest margin in its 129 year history. He lost the Belmont (and therefore the Triple Crown) by a short length to a fresh horse (meaning the horse had not raced in the Preakness and had 3 extra weeks of rest). The rest of the horses were at least eight lengths behind. Hopefully, he will come back and show any doubters that he *is* an amazing horse (yes, he seems to still have to prove this to many) by winning against older horses (his times have already shown he can do this) later this year. Normally, you see, horses that get to this point are owned by sheiks or "old money" families and trained by the big name trainers. Seattle Slew and last years Funny Cide are exceptions to this. Seattle Slew *did* win the triple crown undefeated. Funny Cide did not win the Belmont and his story (also pretty fun and now in a book, soon to be movie on TV) either. Smarty's difference from Funny Cide is that 1) the entire state of Philadelphia - where Smarty and his folk are - are desparately seeking a champion. This was going to be THEIR year. Alas, it is not. The big difference here is that even the doubting big name sports writers believe in Smarty Jones ability. All the jockeys believe in him. The other trainers!! believe in him. He is quite the story here. Here is a great story that shows you just how much this horse affected everyone: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...09/viewpoint/i ndex.html I put together a slide show that seems to show his personality and it also shows how much his connections love him: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/kch...=/282e&.src=ph and this article, well, this is just what it's all about (possible TW here. It's so sweet): http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories...StoryID=254728 Karen (can you tell I'm totally sucked in by racing?)
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