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Male cat FLUTD UTI problems
i agree about not using the old pills but i DO NOT agree on the wet only
option, if you can switch him and that is what your vet reccommends fine, but my tiger was so bad we thought we would lose him, he has now been crystal/infection free for over five years on a diet of dry c/d and is healtheir than ever. Lee "Rene" wrote in message ... 1. Please don't give old medication to this cat. It's not safe. Doxycycline especially is known to cause esophogial erosion. You may end up spending more money in the long run just to save some money now. 2. If you want to prevent further urinary problems, this cat NEEDS to be on wet food. No other solution. You CAN transition this cat. I did it myself with a former dry addict myself. It will take some patience and a commitment on your part, but it is in the best interest of your cat to do this. Here are some tips: http://www.catinfo.org/#Transitionin...o_Canned_Food_ As for brands, there are several good options. Some have mentioned Wellness and that's a great food. Nature's Variety and Innova Evo are other excellent choices. You can also try a commercially made raw diet. Again, lots of good choices there including Nature's Variety and Stella & Chewy's (I have fed/feed both). No dry food, prescription or otherwise, is going to help. This cat needs more moisture, and cats just can't drink enough to make up what they don't get in their diet. You asked us here to both (a) help your cat and (b) save money overall. Switching to wet food will do this. No, it's not easy (I've been there), but you CAN do it. |
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Male cat FLUTD UTI problems
you could seperate them, at least until you are sure he is eatig his share,
soft "jamina1" wrote in message ... On Mar 3, 12:03 am, "Kelly Greene" wrote: "jamina1" wrote in message Feed only as much wet food as he'll eat in 20 minutes or so. Refrigerate the rest. What do I do when I have to leave for work? I have two cats - one will eat anything I put in front of her, and Wallace, the one who is ill is the one who will only eat dry. If I leave wet food out all day, Pagan, my other cat will eat ALL of it and Wallace will die from Liver failure because he isn't eating the wet. I understand the need to get more water into the cat, but I don't know how it will work out when one cat will chow down through any wet food I leave down. |
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Male cat FLUTD UTI problems
and let me repeat you should be consulting your vet on all of this, its fine
even good that you see differeing advice here but you really need to do all of this with the consult of a vet, soft "jmc" wrote in message ... Suddenly, without warning, jamina1 exclaimed (3/3/2010 6:38 PM): On Mar 3, 12:03 am, "Kelly Greene" wrote: "jamina1" wrote in message Feed only as much wet food as he'll eat in 20 minutes or so. Refrigerate the rest. What do I do when I have to leave for work? I have two cats - one will eat anything I put in front of her, and Wallace, the one who is ill is the one who will only eat dry. If I leave wet food out all day, Pagan, my other cat will eat ALL of it and Wallace will die from Liver failure because he isn't eating the wet. I understand the need to get more water into the cat, but I don't know how it will work out when one cat will chow down through any wet food I leave down. If you're only giving them food for 20 minutes at a time... feed them first, separated. Go about your morning routine. Pick up any leftover food and refrigerate it. Go to work. I understand where you're coming from - I was in denial and made excuses for a while too - but truly, wet food is the best thing for your cats. You're going to need to make some changes, but with time and patience it can be done. Is your convenience more important than your cat's health? I expect not. The methods in the link provided: http://www.catinfo.org/#Transitionin...o_Canned_Food_ Worked for Meep. She's *still* a dedicated carbivore, constantly hopes for dry food, but she eats her wet food every night, and every day now, cleans it up. We went through a period of time where she was a bit underweight and would eat little or none of the food, but over time this changed. One trick I used was to sprinkle just a couple kibbles on top of the wet food, especially if she hadn't eaten the previous batch - she'd eat the kibble then because she was hungry, couldn't stop herself and would start eating the wet food. You may have to try a lot of different brands of wet food. To start, it doesn't matter if it's "good" or not. If the only thing he'll it is Whiskas to start, then so be it. Try Fancy Feast - Meep will eat any variety that has liver or giblets in it. I do hope you'll think about the advice you're getting here, and commit to changing your cat's diet. It really will improve his health, and is very likely to lessen, or eliminate, his UTI episodes. You're getting advice from folks who've been through this - Meep had her first cystitis attach at 7, continued to have them every 2-4 months while I made excuses why I couldn't switch her to wet, then the frequency increased as she went more and more to a wet diet. She's been cystitis free (except for 1 episode where I'd added dry back to her diet, for less than a month) for nearly 4 years now. jmc |
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Male cat FLUTD UTI problems
another thing i disagree about, free feeding in a good house allows the cat
to feel secure, and keeps them from over eating when you go away for a couple of days and leave extra about, soft "jamina1" wrote in message ... On Mar 3, 12:03 am, "Kelly Greene" wrote: "jamina1" wrote in message Your cat is already obese from a dry free-fed diet and suffering from UTI's. Give it up and switch to wet food for the sake of the cat. To be fair, the cat was obese when I got him 6 months ago, and I've only ever fed him regimented feeding times and natural food. Free feeding is bad, but please don't blame me for that. |
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Male cat FLUTD UTI problems
My only problem with this suggestion is what if he doesn't eat ANY of
the food in 20 minutes? Then I starve him for the rest of the day while I'm at work? And if he refuses to touch it again at night? I've been through this also - a completely healthy cat decided to stop eating for 24 hours for no reason and by the time I noticed she was YELLOW because her liver had failed. Perfectly curable sure, but we had to let her go because the $2000 vet bill was going to be unfathomable. He's already ill, I can't risk starving him to death as well. On Mar 3, 6:53*pm, jmc wrote: If you're only giving them food for 20 minutes at a time... feed them first, separated. *Go about your morning routine. *Pick up any leftover food and refrigerate it. *Go to work. Is your convenience more important than your cat's health? *I expect not. |
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Male cat FLUTD UTI problems
On Mar 4, 8:44*am, jamina1 wrote:
My only problem with this suggestion is what if he doesn't eat ANY of the food in 20 minutes? Then I starve him for the rest of the day while I'm at work? And if he refuses to touch it again at night? I've been through this also - a completely healthy cat decided to stop eating for 24 hours for no reason and by the time I noticed she was YELLOW because her liver had failed. Perfectly curable sure, but we had to let her go because the $2000 vet bill was going to be unfathomable. He's already ill, I can't risk starving him to death as well. No one here is suggesting you starve your cat, but it is important that he eats a decent amount of the food so to prevent liver problems. You may need to coax him into eating at first--warming the food, adding a little chicken broth on top, tricks like that. You may even need to offer three smaller meals at first. The goal is to have two feedings per day, about 12 hours apart. I also agree with feeding them in separate rooms. We have three cats, and one is a food hog, so he is shut inside a room for 20-23 minutes (while I get ready for work) so he doesn't eat the other cats' food. |
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Male cat FLUTD UTI problems
"jamina1" wrote in message ... I have a male cat, neutered - probably about 3-5 years old. He's been happy and healthy these 8 months that I have owned him, but suddenly two weeks ago he started peeing much more frequently and then taking forever at the box. I knew this was a UTI so I took him in. Vet did urinalysis and determined that there were crystals in the urine. Vet also gave me 10 days of Baytril to administer. Vet provided 24 cans of Royal Canin urine health food. My cat refused to touch the stuff. As a bit of a back story, cat has been eating holistic food the whole time he's been with me - mainly Eagle Pack chicken dry kibble. I have now switched to Wysong Uretic formula as of 2 weeks ago to hopefully replace the prescribed food he will not eat. The cat greatly improved with the antibiotics but the administration of them was irregular. I'd come home from work and find that he had spit out the morning pill sometime during the day, so I'm not sure exactly how much of the 20 pills he kept down. I know that the last 3-4 days were 100% though because I got pill pockets. 2 days after the antibiotics are gone, symptoms reoccur and there is blood in the urine. I go to emergency vet who performs blood work and says its clean. They confirm crystals in urine and give him a shot of antibiotics and painkiller. They give me painkillers to be given orally for the next few days. Vet says that he thinks its just the crystals causing issues and the diet change will fix it. My problem is that I've already spent close to $600 on kitty and I can't afford much more. He won't eat the prescribed food but is the Wysong good for this problem? I don't want to have to go back to the vet, I want this problem to go away without stressing the cat more than he already is. I've heard Apple Cider Vinegar is good to acidify the urine. Before you attempt to acidify the urine, make *absolutely* sure the crystals are struvite. If the crystals are calcium oxalate, acidifying the urine will only promote crystal growth and exacerbate the problem. Years ago 97% of the crystals found in cats were struvite. So when a cat was found to have crystals in his urine, it wasn't too risky to assume they were struvite and treat them accordingly. Since then, practically all feline diets have been reformulated with lower magnesium and more acidity to prevent struvite. Now, the most common crystal found in cats is calcium oxalate. Struvite can be dissolved medically- but calcium oxalate can't be and usually must be surgically removed. |
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Male cat FLUTD UTI problems
Just wanted to give an update:
I believe the cat is still having some urination issues, he is still going frequently but its still coming out, which is good. Based on the fact that he's started sleeping on the bed again and his nose is wet and his ears aren't hot and his general demeanor (he has plenty of get up and go and seems in much better spirits) I'm hoping that he's getting better quickly. I've been leaving wet food down when I go to work and feeding when I return home, though I can't say for certain if he's eating it or my other cat is. I am still giving him some dry food just so I know he's eating something, but I'm trying to get him on wet. I went to Petsmart and basically bought one of everything to give it a shot. No real success yet, but its a start. |
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Male cat FLUTD UTI problems
if this is the way you want to go maybe you can continue this and then on
your days off offer wet food more often with little or no dry to encourage him to eat the wet... since you will be there on your days off you can monitor what he and the other cat eats, Lee "jamina1" wrote in message ... Just wanted to give an update: I believe the cat is still having some urination issues, he is still going frequently but its still coming out, which is good. Based on the fact that he's started sleeping on the bed again and his nose is wet and his ears aren't hot and his general demeanor (he has plenty of get up and go and seems in much better spirits) I'm hoping that he's getting better quickly. I've been leaving wet food down when I go to work and feeding when I return home, though I can't say for certain if he's eating it or my other cat is. I am still giving him some dry food just so I know he's eating something, but I'm trying to get him on wet. I went to Petsmart and basically bought one of everything to give it a shot. No real success yet, but its a start. |
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Male cat FLUTD UTI problems
"Stormmee" wrote in message ... i meant this or that treatment works... to spew that sort of thing does not allo9w for differences in cats or issues at all and i find cultish at best and stupid at worst, Lee Then take a break from these NGs and learn about cat nutrition. Here's some good links to start you off: Feline nutrition information: http://www.catinfo.org/ History of dry food (a must-read article): http://www.catnutrition.org/diabetes.php http://www.yourdiabeticcat.com/ http://cats.about.com/cs/catfood/a/canned_food.htm http://maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.htm http://www.catinfo.org/ by Lisa A. Pierson, DVM http://www.catinfo.org/zorans_article.pdf http://www.felinefuture.com/?p=630 (dry foods) www.rawfedcats.org http://www.catinfo.org/#Cats_Need_Animal-Based_Protein_ http://www.catinfo.org/#We_Are_Feedi..._Carbohydrates |
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