Indoor cats

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Phil P. wrote:

If a cycling female can't find suitable mates in her territory,
she'll roam into other males' territories until she does.
Remember, females determine the population, not the males.

Your cat's neuter status helps reduce the overpopulation problem-
not the fact that he's an outdoor cat.

Phil.

When I started to read that, I thought he was talking about Helen.
;-) --
Adrian --- Toungue firmly in cheak
A house is not a home, without a cat.
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ROFL!

Tweed



The truth will out... why do you think I've been doing all these
40+mile rides ;-)

Cheers, helen s

VERNON! I'VE GOT SOMETHING TO TELL YOU.
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Adrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera)
A house is not a home, without a cat.
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wafflycat wrote:
"Christina Websell" wrote in
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"Adrian" wrote in message
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Phil P. wrote:

If a cycling female can't find suitable mates in her territory,
she'll roam into other males' territories until she does.
Remember, females determine the population, not the males.

Your cat's neuter status helps reduce the overpopulation problem-
not the fact that he's an outdoor cat.

Phil.

When I started to read that, I thought he was talking about Helen.
;-) --
Adrian --- Toungue firmly in cheak
A house is not a home, without a cat.
http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk


ROFL!

Tweed



The truth will out... why do you think I've been doing all these
40+mile rides ;-)

Cheers, helen s

VERNON! I'VE GOT SOMETHING TO TELL YOU.

Oh he doesn't mind, he knows the average age of a CTC cyclist is about 105
;-)

Cheers, helen s

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Phil P. wrote:

How do you know if your cat has a potentially fatal urinary tract
obstruction, UTI , straining or painful urination or defecation or
constipation or diarrhea if you can't physically *observe* your cat's
elimination behavior? Litterbox behavior and products are often
warning
signs of internal disease.

You (and Mary and Cheryl) make a good point about the litter box. And
I suppose that one of these days he could very well run into an
accident or larger predator outside. He did disappear for 2 days in
the dead of winter once, and we were all but convinced we had lost him.
He turned out to be hiding in a neighbor's basement.

I do know that when we keep him in (eg., to be sure he fasts overnight
before a visit to the vet), he goes nuts trying to claw his way out at
the door. Perhaps he could eventually get used to staying in if we
forced the issue. But I have also heard that if you remove an
established outdoor-only cat from the outdoors, another outdoor cat
will simply take over the territory. As it is, our neutered male is
holding the territory instead of a cat that could be producing more
feral offspring.

Mark

That's one of the things I'd be worried about most. Fighting with the
other toms. There are diseases spread by fighting; some of which there
is no vaccination available.
I'm not totally anti-outdoors. I think common sense should dictate
whether or not a cat goes out. But I don't think, under any
circumstances except a leash, they ought to out in a suburban
neighborhood or urban area. Besides risk issues to the cat, it's just
not right to expect the neighbors to put up with cats walking on their
cars, pooping in their flowerbeds and such.

It doesn't seem to be an issue here in the UK at least where I live. Maybe
it's because we expect cats to roam freely. Before I had cats myself, I
would often find kitty footprints on my car. I just cleaned them off.
Everyone does, it's just a fact of life, nothing to get upset about.
If I wanted to plant seeds I know I must protect the seedbed with cotton
threads against cats using the soft soil for toilet purposes.
As far as I know that's what we all do.
I've never heard of a neighbour war here about footprints on cars or pooping
in flowerbeds. I assume it's because we all know that "that's what cats
do.." and let them do it.

Tweed


On the other side of the coin, I think cooping a lone cat up in a dark
apartme borders on abuse. They need a sunny window, a cat tree, toys,
and for most, the companionship of another cat.
A loving indoor home with an at-will enclosure is the best deal for a
cat ever, IMO. It's a great replacement for the outdoors. Here's a pic
of one we built a few years ago.
http://members.aol.com/sriddles/room1.jpg
http://members.aol.com/sriddles/room2.jpg

Sherry

"wafflycat" waffles*A*T*v21net*D*O*T*co*D*O*T*uk wrote in message
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"Christina Websell" wrote in message
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"Adrian" wrote in message
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Phil P. wrote:

If a cycling female can't find suitable mates in her territory,
she'll roam into other males' territories until she does. Remember,
females determine the population, not the males.

Your cat's neuter status helps reduce the overpopulation problem- not
the fact that he's an outdoor cat.

Phil.

When I started to read that, I thought he was talking about Helen. ;-)
--
Adrian --- Toungue firmly in cheak
A house is not a home, without a cat.
http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk


ROFL!

Tweed



The truth will out... why do you think I've been doing all these 40+mile
rides ;-)

Cheers, helen s


Dunno. I can only assume that you are absolutely crazy.

Tweed

"Christina Websell" wrote in message
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The truth will out... why do you think I've been doing all these 40+mile
rides ;-)

Cheers, helen s


Dunno. I can only assume that you are absolutely crazy.

Tweed



Well there is that aspect of it. Who wants to be normal anyhow. Normal =
boring ;-)

Cheers, helen s

"wafflycat" waffles*A*T*v21net*D*O*T*co*D*O*T*uk wrote in message
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"Christina Websell" wrote in message
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The truth will out... why do you think I've been doing all these 40+mile
rides ;-)

Cheers, helen s


Dunno. I can only assume that you are absolutely crazy.

Tweed



Well there is that aspect of it. Who wants to be normal anyhow. Normal =
boring ;-)

Cheers, helen s

There is no such thing as "normal"

Tweed

We feed all the strays that come around and wonder why people didn't take
care of their cats rather than let them just run outside where the odds are
they WILL be killed, or injured. We've had one with feline leukemia, there
have been raccoons and possums (whether rabid or not is irrelevant, they are
still a threat to cats along with stray dogs and wolves). Our newest kitten
(18 weeks) was a stray and almost hit by an electrical truck. I just found
this last week. Long story... The cat I took my name from (I guess it's
right, I named him was wandering outside one winter. I opened the door and
he ran back in.Whose quote was "For my part etc.

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"Phil P." wrote in message
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"Ivor Jones" wrote in message
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For my part, if I were unable to allow a cat outdoors through risk of
predators or any other reason, I simply wouldn't have a cat.

That's not practical or even realistic in the USA because that mentality
would result in millions upon millions of homeless cats and a 10 times
increase in shelter killings.

Christina Websell wrote:

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"Christina Websell" wrote in message
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The truth will out... why do you think I've been doing all these 40+mile
rides ;-)

Cheers, helen s


Dunno. I can only assume that you are absolutely crazy.

Tweed



Well there is that aspect of it. Who wants to be normal anyhow. Normal =
boring ;-)

Cheers, helen s

There is no such thing as "normal"

Tweed

There most certainly is. If six out of ten people
put the right sock on before the left it is therefore
normal to put the right sock on first.

You surely love to hear your own twaddle,
don't you?

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Christina Websell wrote:

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"Christina Websell" wrote in
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The truth will out... why do you think I've been doing all these
40+mile
rides ;-)

Cheers, helen s


Dunno. I can only assume that you are absolutely crazy.

Tweed



Well there is that aspect of it. Who wants to be normal anyhow. Normal
=
boring ;-)

Cheers, helen s

There is no such thing as "normal"

Tweed

There most certainly is. If six out of ten people
put the right sock on before the left it is therefore
normal to put the right sock on first.

You surely love to hear your own twaddle,
don't you?


Eh? Did you write this last bit?

Tweed

Christina Websell wrote:


It doesn't seem to be an issue here in the UK at least where I live. Maybe
it's because we expect cats to roam freely. Before I had cats myself, I
would often find kitty footprints on my car. I just cleaned them off.
Everyone does, it's just a fact of life, nothing to get upset about.
If I wanted to plant seeds I know I must protect the seedbed with cotton
threads against cats using the soft soil for toilet purposes.
As far as I know that's what we all do.
I've never heard of a neighbour war here about footprints on cars or pooping
in flowerbeds. I assume it's because we all know that "that's what cats
do.." and let them do it.

Tweed

I'd have to disagree, Tweed. Case in point, it's a good thing my DH is
a cat lover, because the hood and fenders of his brand-spanking-new
truck have deep, long scratches--not the kind that wash off. It's those
almost-made-it jumps when they try to get traction and scrape all the
way down, or the hind claws that extend when they jump off.
Also, there is much more than seedbeds to consider. Lots of folks have
children playing in the dirt, and that's just nasty to think cats have
pooped in it. And they should be able to, in their own yard, without
worrying about feces from someone else's cat.
Also, a friend of mine has a neighborhood cat who has chosen to poop in
the soft soil right by her front step. It smells like a port-a-potty in
August on her front porch. That just isn't right, to let your cat run
amok and expect other people to make compensations.

Sherry