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"Philip ®" wrote in message
Interesting observation. I have heard this truth about med students for over 25 yrs. To this, you can add dentists as having the highest mortality rate of all accomplished physicians. Average life expectancy is 57 yrs. Could it be all those foul misaligned teeth or ... is there something about looking in people's nostrils that does 'em in? ;-) I heard that from my dentist. I wonder what are their most frequent causes of death... ? |
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(Liz) wrote in message Exactly. And they are literally everywhere. The equation pathogen + host = disease is hardly ever true. Hardly being the operative word. All it takes is one insert organism of choice. And if your immune system is compromised because of some other reason, or even if not, it very easily could be fatal. Absolutely and maybe you shouldn't eat fruits or vegetables either. Any food can contain bacteria and toxins. That equation is not a simple one. There are many variables you have to consider regarding the pathogen (e.g., virulence) and a truckload of variables regarding the host. And yet you are willing to play Russian roulette with yourself and your animals. Carry on. Natural selection, AFAIC... I didn't say I advocated eating STERILE food, just that eating RAW meat isn't really the smartest idea in the world. You wanna experiment on your animals, go ahead. No skin off my teeth. I have been giving raw to my animals for 25 years, never had a problem. Yet. I think 25 years of feeding a raw diet is damn good indication that the person doing it knows how to safely handle and prepare raw food. I guess not.. Besides, I like my steak very rare. A good dose of E. coli O157:H7, or a little enteric B. cereus, will cure you of that... Do you cook all your fruits and vegetables? You can get E coli from them too. Most cases of E coli I hear about are from foods eaten in restaurants where safe handling/storage are not always practiced. Cats are not humans and they are carnivores meant to eat raw meat. Their digestive tracts are much shorter than ours and more acidic. You can learn more he http://www.holisticat.com/rawdiet.html I certainly wouldn't recommend a raw diet to anyone who didn't want to feed one or who are afraid. But in my own cats I have seen great benefits and I feel it's worth it. I used to be like you, scared of raw meat for my cats. Pet food companies advised against raw meat (but of course they would) and vets did too because they had no experience with raw diets, and the ones I came across had learned what they knew about feline nutrition from brochures from pet food companies or from pet food company reps. After my last cat died from CRF and IBD where she always was throwing up her food, no matter what brand I fed, I started researching a natural diet. I found a vet who had many years of experience feeding raw diets to cats. I feel in my case it has been well worth it. I also belong to a list of over 1,000 members. I can't think it's just coincidence when so many people who have switched their cats to a raw diet see improvement in health and medical problems. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm |
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Hardly being the operative word. All it takes is one insert organism
of choice. And if your immune system is compromised because of some other reason, or even if not, it very easily could be fatal. If it were true more often than not, life would not have evolved past the first parasite. I suppose you still haven´t had immunology. You would suppose wrong, then. That equation is not a simple one. There are many variables you have to consider regarding the pathogen (e.g., virulence) and a truckload of variables regarding the host. And yet you are willing to play Russian roulette with yourself and your animals. Carry on. Natural selection, AFAIC... I didn't say I advocated eating STERILE food, just that eating RAW meat isn't really the smartest idea in the world. You wanna experiment on your animals, go ahead. No skin off my teeth. Read what you wrote. You´re contradicting yourself. If you say that *one* pathogen could cause disease and be fatal and that you do not sterilize your food, how is it that you protect yourself from food poisoning? A good dose of E. coli O157:H7, or a little enteric B. cereus, will cure you of that... First is *one*. Then comes *a good dose*. There´s a world more to immunology than the little you were taught. Go to a poor country and you´ll start asking yourself *how* can some people survive eating from the gutters, trash cans, and city dumps year after year. And you think these people have access to hospital if they get sick? Haha. If you were right, there wouldn´t be one poor person in this world. They´d all be dead by now. In India they throw their gutters in the Ganges river, they throw their dead in the Ganges, and they take their "purification" bath in the Ganges. Many get sick from their bath and many don´t, adults and children alike. How do you explain that? And don´t forget we are talking about a moving liquid media where pathogens spread quickly. I'm not in vet school, so you're wrong again. Fool. I thought you wanted to become a vet and were at it by now. I guess I picked that up in one of your posts. Either way, you need to get your facts straight. |
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Hardly being the operative word. All it takes is one insert organism
of choice. And if your immune system is compromised because of some other reason, or even if not, it very easily could be fatal. If it were true more often than not, life would not have evolved past the first parasite. I suppose you still haven´t had immunology. You would suppose wrong, then. That equation is not a simple one. There are many variables you have to consider regarding the pathogen (e.g., virulence) and a truckload of variables regarding the host. And yet you are willing to play Russian roulette with yourself and your animals. Carry on. Natural selection, AFAIC... I didn't say I advocated eating STERILE food, just that eating RAW meat isn't really the smartest idea in the world. You wanna experiment on your animals, go ahead. No skin off my teeth. Read what you wrote. You´re contradicting yourself. If you say that *one* pathogen could cause disease and be fatal and that you do not sterilize your food, how is it that you protect yourself from food poisoning? A good dose of E. coli O157:H7, or a little enteric B. cereus, will cure you of that... First is *one*. Then comes *a good dose*. There´s a world more to immunology than the little you were taught. Go to a poor country and you´ll start asking yourself *how* can some people survive eating from the gutters, trash cans, and city dumps year after year. And you think these people have access to hospital if they get sick? Haha. If you were right, there wouldn´t be one poor person in this world. They´d all be dead by now. In India they throw their gutters in the Ganges river, they throw their dead in the Ganges, and they take their "purification" bath in the Ganges. Many get sick from their bath and many don´t, adults and children alike. How do you explain that? And don´t forget we are talking about a moving liquid media where pathogens spread quickly. I'm not in vet school, so you're wrong again. Fool. I thought you wanted to become a vet and were at it by now. I guess I picked that up in one of your posts. Either way, you need to get your facts straight. |
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A great site to visit:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss4901a1.htm It shows food poisoning outbreaks by state, by where food was eaten, by what kind of food was eaten, etc. Very interesting indeed. Then, in another site, I confirmed what I already knew: 90% of all North Americans are malnourished. How can one fight disease if one is malnourished? http://www.healthy.net/asp/templates...Article&ID=518 Coincidentally, cancer *is* the number one killer of cats in the USA according to Steve Crane. IMO, a cat without any raw in its diet *is* a malnourished cat. |
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A great site to visit:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss4901a1.htm It shows food poisoning outbreaks by state, by where food was eaten, by what kind of food was eaten, etc. Very interesting indeed. Then, in another site, I confirmed what I already knew: 90% of all North Americans are malnourished. How can one fight disease if one is malnourished? http://www.healthy.net/asp/templates...Article&ID=518 Coincidentally, cancer *is* the number one killer of cats in the USA according to Steve Crane. IMO, a cat without any raw in its diet *is* a malnourished cat. |
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Yes, I've seen a lot of people with sick animals post in this newsgroup, and
unfortunately quite a few seem too young to have these diseases. As to 20+ year old cats, we have some in my raw diet group. These are cats that have been on a raw diet long term. Lauren I was looking up posts of people who mention cats older than 20 and found this: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I was watching Guiness Book of World Records show on TV last night. (okay, I admit I got sucked in by the preview of a man squirting milk from his eye) They had a segment on a cat named Grandpa that was reported to be 34 yo when he died. He said that the kitty liked to drink coffee and eat eggs and bacon for breakfast. The guy that Grandpa owned even had a little funeral for him, make shift casket and all and he had video of the other cats going up to Grandpa and paying their respects. I don't know the breed of the cat but it was of a hairless variety. Wow is all I can say, I can't imagine having Dusty around for 34 years. This guy had like 20 cats I think and he has one now that just celebrated her 29th birthday. (cake with a candle and all!) Did anyone else see this or was I in a TV induced stupor after seeing milk shoot out of a mans eye, or make that 2 men, he had a challenger!? Nope, it was real! That 29 year old cat sure looked good! I've seen aged cats before and they don't usually look that healthy. The show said that Grampa was a hairless Rex, but I think he may actually be a Sphinx. Deb ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eggs, bacon and coffee for breakfast and lived to be 34 years old... And it seems this record was not yet broken. And the same guy has another one who just turned 29. I suppose he also feeds this one eggs, bacon and coffee for breakfast. Makes you think, doesn´t it? |
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