OT. Rant

Jeanne Hedge wrote:

Look what's been happening since the elections to Senator Specter of
Pennsylvania, and he's a moderate Republican!

I've been trying to find the quote online and can't so I'll have to
paraphrase. The leader of one of the fundamentalist conservative
religious organizations said that Specter had to be gotten rid of (and
they *did* use the words "get rid of") because he was in the way of
their agenda. And Senator Frist (the Senate majority leader) is
listening to this guy, and others like him! (Bush has been listening
to them for years)

And then when Senator Santorum (Pennsylvania's quite *conservative*
Republican senator) publically supported Specter's right to be his own
guy, they started going after him too!

These people won't stop until everyone does what they want how they
want when they want because obviously they know what's best for
everyone.


That sounds really scary and totalitarian. Purrs that you all survive to
the next election!

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in article , Jo Firey at
wrote on 11/18/04 10:19 PM:

We (the USA) don't take Andy Rooney seriously. No reason for you to either.

The guy makes a buck by saying outrageous controversial things.

Jo

And the older he gets, the crankier he gets.

in article , Jo Firey at
wrote on 11/18/04 10:19 PM:

We (the USA) don't take Andy Rooney seriously. No reason for you to either.

The guy makes a buck by saying outrageous controversial things.

Jo

And the older he gets, the crankier he gets.

in article , Yowie at
wrote on 11/18/04 11:18 PM:

"Yoj" wrote in message
. com...
"Victor Martinez" wrote in message
...
Christina Websell wrote:
It will be painful for me to fall out with her, but I cannot
tolerate a
racist and bigot. She thinks she is right, and I think I am right.

Racism and bigotry are never right. Never. They have always been used
as
an excuse to opress the minority (and sometimes even a weak majority)
by
those in power.
I just told Tom that if his sister and her husband voted for the
anti-gay ammendment in their state's election, then they are not
welcome
in our house. I'm sorry, but if you find my relationship so repugnant,
that you would vote to inscribe discrimination in your state's
constitution, then I do not want to welcome you into my house.
As an aside, the bible has been used throughout history to justify and
defend many horrible things, from the crusades to slavery in the US
and
the oppresion of women.

--
Victor Martinez

It's really had to have such bigotry in your own family, or its
equivalent. You're right about the Bible. It can be, and has been,
used to prove and/or justify just about everything. :-(

Which is a shame, because if you boil the message it all down, the theme of
the second half at least is "love each other like I love you "(ie, be
excellent to each other and party on dudes). Whether or not you believe the
Bible to be anythign from the literal word of the Ultimate Deity to just
another book, its hard to argue with a message that calls us all to love
each other equally (IMHO, anyway)

Its also a shame that a friendship can't cope with a bit of disagreement.
There are people here whose views are not my own on any number of different
things (from as far-reaching as poitics and religion to the silly things
like fruit and vegetable preferences), but I would still be happy to call
them friends - and good friends atthat. Here and there, I've even had
friendly discussions about our different views. I mean, I'm just as stupid
and pigheaded about my hot-buttons as anyone is about theirs, but if two (or
more) people value their friendship there are ways of dealing with differing
opinions. I don't think your so-called friend had much respect for your
friendship, but perhaps it was not built on the most solid foundations
anyway.

Yowie

The problem comes when that message is the be all and end all of every
communication. That's when differing views become a detriment to a
friendship. It's just a real shame and I know that I find it really
difficult if I run into that situation. And that includes going the other
direction. Extremes are not a good thing for any relationship no matter what
the extreme is.

in article , Yowie at
wrote on 11/18/04 11:18 PM:

"Yoj" wrote in message
. com...
"Victor Martinez" wrote in message
...
Christina Websell wrote:
It will be painful for me to fall out with her, but I cannot
tolerate a
racist and bigot. She thinks she is right, and I think I am right.

Racism and bigotry are never right. Never. They have always been used
as
an excuse to opress the minority (and sometimes even a weak majority)
by
those in power.
I just told Tom that if his sister and her husband voted for the
anti-gay ammendment in their state's election, then they are not
welcome
in our house. I'm sorry, but if you find my relationship so repugnant,
that you would vote to inscribe discrimination in your state's
constitution, then I do not want to welcome you into my house.
As an aside, the bible has been used throughout history to justify and
defend many horrible things, from the crusades to slavery in the US
and
the oppresion of women.

--
Victor Martinez

It's really had to have such bigotry in your own family, or its
equivalent. You're right about the Bible. It can be, and has been,
used to prove and/or justify just about everything. :-(

Which is a shame, because if you boil the message it all down, the theme of
the second half at least is "love each other like I love you "(ie, be
excellent to each other and party on dudes). Whether or not you believe the
Bible to be anythign from the literal word of the Ultimate Deity to just
another book, its hard to argue with a message that calls us all to love
each other equally (IMHO, anyway)

Its also a shame that a friendship can't cope with a bit of disagreement.
There are people here whose views are not my own on any number of different
things (from as far-reaching as poitics and religion to the silly things
like fruit and vegetable preferences), but I would still be happy to call
them friends - and good friends atthat. Here and there, I've even had
friendly discussions about our different views. I mean, I'm just as stupid
and pigheaded about my hot-buttons as anyone is about theirs, but if two (or
more) people value their friendship there are ways of dealing with differing
opinions. I don't think your so-called friend had much respect for your
friendship, but perhaps it was not built on the most solid foundations
anyway.

Yowie

The problem comes when that message is the be all and end all of every
communication. That's when differing views become a detriment to a
friendship. It's just a real shame and I know that I find it really
difficult if I run into that situation. And that includes going the other
direction. Extremes are not a good thing for any relationship no matter what
the extreme is.

Jo Firey wrote:

We (the USA) don't take Andy Rooney seriously. No reason for you to either.

Well, I don't - and I'm glad to hear that you don't, either. But I'm afraid
there are a lot of people out there who do.

Joyce

Jo Firey wrote:

We (the USA) don't take Andy Rooney seriously. No reason for you to either.

Well, I don't - and I'm glad to hear that you don't, either. But I'm afraid
there are a lot of people out there who do.

Joyce

Marina wrote:

Our (female) president... [snip lots of good things]
Oh, and she has two cats! )

Well, that clinches it. She's a keeper!

Joyce

Marina wrote:

Our (female) president... [snip lots of good things]
Oh, and she has two cats! )

Well, that clinches it. She's a keeper!

Joyce

Block her emails.

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