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"PawsForThought" wrote in message ... From: "icarus" My female cat hits my male cat with her claws in to indicate displeasure so why shouldn't you ? Um, let's see, maybe because a human weighs about 15 times more than the cat??? stupid argument as (if you read what I was saying) I am not advocating hurting the cat. If I hit an animal as hard as I could it would be dead and I am not suggesting it should be hurt at all. No doubt this will be taken out of context to suggest that I want to kill animals. |
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"PawsForThought" wrote in message ... From: "icarus" My female cat hits my male cat with her claws in to indicate displeasure so why shouldn't you ? Um, let's see, maybe because a human weighs about 15 times more than the cat??? stupid argument as (if you read what I was saying) I am not advocating hurting the cat. If I hit an animal as hard as I could it would be dead and I am not suggesting it should be hurt at all. No doubt this will be taken out of context to suggest that I want to kill animals. |
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"MadHatter" wrote in message ... On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:32:31 +0100, "icarus" wrote: "Laura R." wrote in message . .. circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:07:59 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, icarus ) said, For goodness sake, ... hit her. not hard but enough so she knows its wrong. cats are amoral, avaricious and aggessive. you have to train them. gently, firmly but don't hurt them tho. It's completely unnecessary to strike a cat to train it. Laura so once you have explained to the cat that its wrong and discussed the morality of hurting others.... what do you do then ? I'm not talking about hurting the cat, simply a clear indication of displeasure. My female cat hits my male cat with her claws in to indicate displeasure so why shouldn't you ? oh, you mean hit in a cat way, ok. that's fine. she is a 2 months old kitten, though, so she is a child and when plays, gets carried away. -L thanks, that's a sensible response and more in keeping with what I was trying to say. when I suggested the course of action I didn't know the cat was so young. of course a kitten being socialised of that age doesn't need a firm hand at all. she's too young to understand. When she gets a bit older and misbehaves then what I was suggesting was to flick her with a finger (not to hurt her) to point out that her behaviour is wrong. When she is an adult and misbehaves I would flick her with several fingers (again not to hurt her). Cats are social animals and expect to be part of a pecking order, they aren't babies. I believe most of the responses on here are from ladies who believe that they have a baby substitute and not a cat. Watch how cats act with each other and learn how they treat young ones that misbehave, you should do the same, its natures way. |
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"MadHatter" wrote in message ... On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:32:31 +0100, "icarus" wrote: "Laura R." wrote in message . .. circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:07:59 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, icarus ) said, For goodness sake, ... hit her. not hard but enough so she knows its wrong. cats are amoral, avaricious and aggessive. you have to train them. gently, firmly but don't hurt them tho. It's completely unnecessary to strike a cat to train it. Laura so once you have explained to the cat that its wrong and discussed the morality of hurting others.... what do you do then ? I'm not talking about hurting the cat, simply a clear indication of displeasure. My female cat hits my male cat with her claws in to indicate displeasure so why shouldn't you ? oh, you mean hit in a cat way, ok. that's fine. she is a 2 months old kitten, though, so she is a child and when plays, gets carried away. -L thanks, that's a sensible response and more in keeping with what I was trying to say. when I suggested the course of action I didn't know the cat was so young. of course a kitten being socialised of that age doesn't need a firm hand at all. she's too young to understand. When she gets a bit older and misbehaves then what I was suggesting was to flick her with a finger (not to hurt her) to point out that her behaviour is wrong. When she is an adult and misbehaves I would flick her with several fingers (again not to hurt her). Cats are social animals and expect to be part of a pecking order, they aren't babies. I believe most of the responses on here are from ladies who believe that they have a baby substitute and not a cat. Watch how cats act with each other and learn how they treat young ones that misbehave, you should do the same, its natures way. |
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"MadHatter" wrote in message ... On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:32:31 +0100, "icarus" wrote: "Laura R." wrote in message . .. circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:07:59 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, icarus ) said, For goodness sake, ... hit her. not hard but enough so she knows its wrong. cats are amoral, avaricious and aggessive. you have to train them. gently, firmly but don't hurt them tho. It's completely unnecessary to strike a cat to train it. Laura so once you have explained to the cat that its wrong and discussed the morality of hurting others.... what do you do then ? I'm not talking about hurting the cat, simply a clear indication of displeasure. My female cat hits my male cat with her claws in to indicate displeasure so why shouldn't you ? oh, you mean hit in a cat way, ok. that's fine. she is a 2 months old kitten, though, so she is a child and when plays, gets carried away. -L thanks, that's a sensible response and more in keeping with what I was trying to say. when I suggested the course of action I didn't know the cat was so young. of course a kitten being socialised of that age doesn't need a firm hand at all. she's too young to understand. When she gets a bit older and misbehaves then what I was suggesting was to flick her with a finger (not to hurt her) to point out that her behaviour is wrong. When she is an adult and misbehaves I would flick her with several fingers (again not to hurt her). Cats are social animals and expect to be part of a pecking order, they aren't babies. I believe most of the responses on here are from ladies who believe that they have a baby substitute and not a cat. Watch how cats act with each other and learn how they treat young ones that misbehave, you should do the same, its natures way. |
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"Laura R." wrote in message .. . circa Fri, 25 Jun 2004 03:04:06 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, icarus ) said, thanks, that's a sensible response and more in keeping with what I was trying to say. when I suggested the course of action I didn't know the cat was so young. of course a kitten being socialised of that age doesn't need a firm hand at all. she's too young to understand. When she gets a bit older and misbehaves then what I was suggesting was to flick her with a finger (not to hurt her) to point out that her behaviour is wrong. When she is an adult and misbehaves I would flick her with several fingers (again not to hurt her). Cats are social animals and expect to be part of a pecking order, they aren't babies. I believe most of the responses on here are from ladies who believe that they have a baby substitute and not a cat. Watch how cats act with each other and learn how they treat young ones that misbehave, you should do the same, its natures way. No, the responses here are from people who were actually paying attention, unlike you. Why should I be paying attention to threads that I haven't read ? I was responding to a single thread and not all of them. Cats are cats. They are not people. Despite your attempts to make it sound as though you're smack in the midst of a bunch of nutty 'cat ladies', you are, quite simply, wrong, offensive and out of line. Grow up. Laura I have explained my reasoning and advice in great detail. My point is very simple, if a cat misbehaves it is a good idea to chastise it in a manner which it is familiar with from its own mother. I am amazed that you don't deny that cats exhibit this behaviour amongst themselves but state that somehow its wrong if the owner and therefore adopted pack does. Your statement that cats are not people is very much in line with my view. Its your choice in attacking the individual and not discussing the viewpoint itself. Mind you if you had a rational explanation to justify your position you would have used it. Just saying something is wrong and shouldn't EVER (bold characters for dramatic effect) happen is not a rational discussion. |
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"Laura R." wrote in message .. . circa Fri, 25 Jun 2004 03:04:06 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, icarus ) said, thanks, that's a sensible response and more in keeping with what I was trying to say. when I suggested the course of action I didn't know the cat was so young. of course a kitten being socialised of that age doesn't need a firm hand at all. she's too young to understand. When she gets a bit older and misbehaves then what I was suggesting was to flick her with a finger (not to hurt her) to point out that her behaviour is wrong. When she is an adult and misbehaves I would flick her with several fingers (again not to hurt her). Cats are social animals and expect to be part of a pecking order, they aren't babies. I believe most of the responses on here are from ladies who believe that they have a baby substitute and not a cat. Watch how cats act with each other and learn how they treat young ones that misbehave, you should do the same, its natures way. No, the responses here are from people who were actually paying attention, unlike you. Why should I be paying attention to threads that I haven't read ? I was responding to a single thread and not all of them. Cats are cats. They are not people. Despite your attempts to make it sound as though you're smack in the midst of a bunch of nutty 'cat ladies', you are, quite simply, wrong, offensive and out of line. Grow up. Laura I have explained my reasoning and advice in great detail. My point is very simple, if a cat misbehaves it is a good idea to chastise it in a manner which it is familiar with from its own mother. I am amazed that you don't deny that cats exhibit this behaviour amongst themselves but state that somehow its wrong if the owner and therefore adopted pack does. Your statement that cats are not people is very much in line with my view. Its your choice in attacking the individual and not discussing the viewpoint itself. Mind you if you had a rational explanation to justify your position you would have used it. Just saying something is wrong and shouldn't EVER (bold characters for dramatic effect) happen is not a rational discussion. |
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"Laura R." wrote in message .. . circa Fri, 25 Jun 2004 03:04:06 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, icarus ) said, thanks, that's a sensible response and more in keeping with what I was trying to say. when I suggested the course of action I didn't know the cat was so young. of course a kitten being socialised of that age doesn't need a firm hand at all. she's too young to understand. When she gets a bit older and misbehaves then what I was suggesting was to flick her with a finger (not to hurt her) to point out that her behaviour is wrong. When she is an adult and misbehaves I would flick her with several fingers (again not to hurt her). Cats are social animals and expect to be part of a pecking order, they aren't babies. I believe most of the responses on here are from ladies who believe that they have a baby substitute and not a cat. Watch how cats act with each other and learn how they treat young ones that misbehave, you should do the same, its natures way. No, the responses here are from people who were actually paying attention, unlike you. Why should I be paying attention to threads that I haven't read ? I was responding to a single thread and not all of them. Cats are cats. They are not people. Despite your attempts to make it sound as though you're smack in the midst of a bunch of nutty 'cat ladies', you are, quite simply, wrong, offensive and out of line. Grow up. Laura I have explained my reasoning and advice in great detail. My point is very simple, if a cat misbehaves it is a good idea to chastise it in a manner which it is familiar with from its own mother. I am amazed that you don't deny that cats exhibit this behaviour amongst themselves but state that somehow its wrong if the owner and therefore adopted pack does. Your statement that cats are not people is very much in line with my view. Its your choice in attacking the individual and not discussing the viewpoint itself. Mind you if you had a rational explanation to justify your position you would have used it. Just saying something is wrong and shouldn't EVER (bold characters for dramatic effect) happen is not a rational discussion. |
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In article , enlightened
us with... Your statement that cats are not people is very much in line with my view. Its your choice in attacking the individual and not discussing the viewpoint itself. Mind you if you had a rational explanation to justify your position you would have used it. Just saying something is wrong and shouldn't EVER (bold characters for dramatic effect) happen is not a rational discussion. devil's advocate So, I need to jusify that murder is wrong with rationality? I can't just say it is morally wrong in and of itself? How about child abuse? Do I need to justify that beating a child is just plain wrong? How about those people that dragged a dog behind their car? Do we need to explain to them why that's aborrhent or can we tell them they're sick f***s? /devil's advocate Note that I think there is a huge difference between flicking a cat's nose and hitting it and am not going into *that* whole debate. *g* -- -- ~kaeli~ No one is listening until you make a mistake. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace |
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