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[Way OT] - JUST ONCE - VT Shootings
Pat wrote: "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote | | Pat wrote: | "Mark Edwards" wrote | | | Just once. JUST ONCE, I would like to hear that the gunman was taken out | | by a couple of dozen fatal wounds from ****ed off, heavily armed fellow | | students who were in harm's way. | | AMEN. But VT has a zero-tolerance, no-guns-on-campus rule. Hopefully that | will be changed, as the incident will be used by the anti-2nd-Amendment | socialists like Hillary trying to advance the cause of disarming all who | resist this country's descent into tyranny. | | We live under the Bush autocracy, and you accuse HILLARY of | not resisting our descent into tyranny?????? GWB throws a | temper tantrum whenever anyone questions his "divinely | inspired" alleged "leadership", he and his cronies are still | doing their best to ignore citizens' Constitutional rights, | and you think that's okay? (God help our country if there | are still people as misguided as you appear to be!) I didn't say Bush is OK. He's a madman acting like a cornered wild animal. I'm just saying that if Hillary is elected we'll have more of the same if not worse. Well, she's not my favorite candidate, either - I much prefer Barak Obama to any of the others on offer - but despite the sympathy vote, I think Edwards has too much tragic distraction in his personal life right now, and what other viable (meaning electable) choice do the Democrats have? (I suspect the final slate will be a joint ticket of Hillary and Obama - preferably with Hillary for VP.) |
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"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote
| what viable (meaning electable) choice do the Democrats | have? Crossing over to get Ron Paul the Republican nomination, that's what. |
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Pat wrote: "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote | what viable (meaning electable) choice do the Democrats | have? Crossing over to get Ron Paul the Republican nomination, that's what. Another reign of the religious right? God help us all!!!! |
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"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote
| Pat wrote: | | "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote | | | what viable (meaning electable) choice do the Democrats | | have? | | Crossing over to get Ron Paul the Republican nomination, that's what. | | Another reign of the religious right? God help us all!!!! Whatever gives you this idea? I'd suggest informing yourself because this kind of statement makes you look like an idiot. |
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"Mark Edwards" wrote in message ... Concerning the shooting at VT today (pardon my language): Just once. JUST ONCE, I would like to hear that the gunman was taken out by a couple of dozen fatal wounds from ****ed off, heavily armed fellow students who were in harm's way. I would PAY to see that the gunman was killed by ninjas and/or pirate hooks and/or a large stick of dynamite inserted into the gunman's rectum. Mother ****ing jackass idiots who think a shooting rampage solves anything...!!! It reached the news here in the UK. It was an incident like this http://tinyurl.com/5r259 that caused a complete overhaul of our gun laws in the UK. Tweed |
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"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
Given the often hair-trigger nature of adolescent emotions, I should think the last thing ANYONE would want would be a high school or college campus where every student carried a gun! It's regrettable that there should NEED to be a rule against gun-toting students, and metal-detector screening to enforce the rule, but I'm sure a great many parents find it reassuring (even though it sometimes proves ineffective). Here are the lyrics to a wonderful song that's relevant to this thread. (It might even have been written in response to the Columbine shootings, I'm not sure.) The words are actually spoken, rather than sung, although it's not rap music or hip-hop. Cheryl Wheeler is a well-known folk singer-songwriter, so I guess you could call it "folk rap". The words are spoken in rhythm. The very last line is sung, though. Joyce "If It Were Up To Me" (c) Cheryl Wheeler Maybe it's the movies, maybe it's the books Maybe it's the bullets, maybe it's the real crooks Maybe it's the drugs, maybe it's the parents Maybe it's the colors everybody's wearin Maybe it's the President, maybe it's the last one Maybe it's the one before that, what he done Maybe it's the high schools, maybe it's the teachers Maybe it's the tattooed children in the bleachers Maybe it's the Bible, maybe it's the lack Maybe it's the music, maybe it's the crack Maybe it's the hairdos, maybe it's the TV Maybe it's the cigarettes, maybe it's the family Maybe it's the fast food, maybe it's the news Maybe it's divorce, maybe it's abuse Maybe it's the lawyers, maybe it's the prisons Maybe it's the Senators, maybe it's the system Maybe it's the fathers, maybe it's the sons Maybe it's the sisters, maybe it's the moms Maybe it's the radio, maybe it's road rage Maybe El Nino, or UV rays Maybe it's the army, maybe it's the liquor Maybe it's the papers, maybe the militia Maybe it's the athletes, maybe it's the ads Maybe it's the sports fans, maybe it's a fad Maybe it's the magazines, maybe it's the internet Maybe it's the lottery, maybe it's the immigrants Maybe it's taxes, big business Maybe it's the KKK and the skinheads Maybe it's the communists, maybe it's the Catholics Maybe it's the hippies, maybe it's the addicts Maybe it's the art, maybe it's the sex Maybe it's the homeless, maybe it's the banks Maybe it's the clearcut, maybe it's the ozone Maybe it's the chemicals, maybe it's the car phones Maybe it's the fertilizer, maybe it's the nose rings Maybe it's the end - but I know one thing: If it were up to me, I'd take away the guns. |
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On Apr 16, 3:12 pm, "Shiral" wrote:
On Apr 16, 11:59 am, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote: Pat wrote: "Mark Edwards" wrote | Just once. JUST ONCE, I would like to hear that the gunman was taken out | by a couple of dozen fatal wounds from ****ed off, heavily armed fellow | students who were in harm's way. AMEN. But VT has a zero-tolerance, no-guns-on-campus rule. Hopefully that will be changed, as the incident will be used by the anti-2nd-Amendment socialists like Hillary trying to advance the cause of disarming all who resist this country's descent into tyranny. We live under the Bush autocracy, and you accuse HILLARY of not resisting our descent into tyranny?????? GWB throws a temper tantrum whenever anyone questions his "divinely inspired" alleged "leadership", he and his cronies are still doing their best to ignore citizens' Constitutional rights, and you think that's okay? (God help our country if there are still people as misguided as you appear to be!) Good on you, Evelyn! Frankly, after the Columbine High tragedy, I'm not surprised at any school having a no-guns on campus rule. This tragedy didn't happen because the STUDENTS were unarmed. It happened because a troubled, angry person WAS. Melissa I hate to get into this on this NG but people who are willing, even eager, to disobey the law are NOT stopped by fireamrs regulations. Blinking my eyes and making all firearms disappear would certainly prevent this sort of tragedy, although it would cause other problems, but that is not what gun-contol laws do. Gun-control laws disarm legally-armed citizens, who are rarely involved in gun-related crimes. They are a touchy-feely feelgood solution that does not do any good. Will in New Haven -- "Just when you thought you would NEVER cross any items off your list of things Keith Richards probably wouldn't do" |
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On Apr 16, 6:13 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
wrote: Nomen Nescio wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- From: "Shiral" This tragedy didn't happen because the STUDENTS were unarmed. It happened because a troubled, angry person WAS. Actually, both. If EVERY student had been armed, the two nutcases probably wouldn't have even tried. It was a power trip for them. And keep in mind that Columbine would have been much worse if there had not, to the surprise of the 2 wackos, been someone else in the school who was armed. He exchanged fire with them and pinned them down in the library. Otherwise, they would have been free to move around, at will, and many more people would have died. And, BTW, there WAS a no guns policy for students at Columbine. Funny thing about criminals, school policy does not seem to matter much to them. Given the often hair-trigger nature of adolescent emotions, I should think the last thing ANYONE would want would be a high school or college campus where every student carried a gun! It's regrettable that there should NEED to be a rule against gun-toting students, and metal-detector screening to enforce the rule, but I'm sure a great many parents find it reassuring (even though it sometimes proves ineffective). Oddly enough, we had a great deal of interpersonal violence at Walker County High School in the eary Sixties but firearms were never involved and there were never any fatalities. This despite the fact that at least seventy-five hunting rufles in various lockers all through the long Alabama deer season. I can't tell you how many handguns were around and they were NOT, unlike the deer rifles, in accordance with school policy, but I had one in my locker for some weeks and so did my brother. I would estimate that about six or eight boys and at least one, but probably only one, girl had a handgun in a locker at any one time. About the only reason I would have gone to my locker for a weapon would have been if I heard shooting. That would be true of anyone else. Since we all shot targets and most of us had shot a deer, I think we might have been able to help keep those Columbine kids from doing as much harm as they did. Will in New Haven -- "Just when you thought you would NEVER cross any items off your list of things Keith Richards probably wouldn't do" |
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On Apr 16, 7:19 pm, "Pat"
wrote: "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote | Pat wrote: | | "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote | | | what viable (meaning electable) choice do the Democrats | | have? | | Crossing over to get Ron Paul the Republican nomination, that's what. | | Another reign of the religious right? God help us all!!!! Whatever gives you this idea? I'd suggest informing yourself because this kind of statement makes you look like an idiot. Helping Ron Paul get nominated would be a bad idea for the Democrats because he _isn't_ part of the religious right and would, win or lose the election, help the Republican Party get away from that faction. I would certainly rather the RP nominated him, and I would vote for him, but I am a Libertarian and not a Democrat or a Republican. I think Barry Goldwater would puke if he were around to see this administration. Will in New Haven -- "Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government,no matter how popular and respected, is the right of citizens to keep and bear arms.... The right of citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against the tyranny which now appears remote in America but which historically has proven to be always possible." -U.S. Senator Hubert H. Humphrey, Democrat from Minnesota, 1960 |
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"Will in New Haven" wrote
| Helping Ron Paul get nominated would be a bad idea for the Democrats | because he _isn't_ part of the religious right and would, win or lose | the election, help the Republican Party get away from that faction. I | would certainly rather the RP nominated him, and I would vote for | him, but I am a Libertarian and not a Democrat or a Republican. I | think Barry Goldwater would puke if he were around to see this | administration. Barry Goldwater, Jr. speaks about Congressman Ron Paul http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPoFXl97wv4 |
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