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bigbadbarry wrote:
Philip wrote: Can you find me a statistic showing the national average cat population has decreased in size over the past twenty years? It like the war on drugs. Yeah, but Bob Barker says! have your pet spayed or neutered. Now that's a defeatest attitude, that's like saying, why wipe your ass after going to the bathroom, your just going to mess it up again Your cat doesn't wipe is butt... ;-) or why make your bed Ever have teenagers? or why delete temporary internet files Done automatically. yes...we should spay and neuter... That is not the point. IT's the timing. I'm am not convinced castration and hysterectomy is appropriate the week a kitten stops suckling its mother or weighs 1.5 to 2 pounds is always without consequence. |
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Elle wrote:
"Philip" wrote snip Early kitten neutering is good for slowing the population growth rate if not diminishing the population Which diminishes vets' income. No. These sterilized cats still get $ick, need $hots, get cancer$, eat $pecial foods, etc. Can you find me a statistic showing the national average cat population has decreased in size over the past twenty years? It like the war on drugs. Philip, try to reason through the points you are making. You're the one who says above that early neutering is good for slowing population growth rate. I presume you think that's a good thing. Then you seem to recant the point above. Ok, here's a string of popcorn to follow. The cats you sterilize are still in existence. Sterilization is not abortion. Sterilization gets more cats into the veterinary "$ystem" and the owners need to be educated in a way that makes them feel obligated to spend money on feline maintenance, to say nothing of upselling lots of services (ie, $400 dental cleanings and $250 vaccination packages) that are not usually needed for indoor only cats or "only" cats living exclusively indoors. From the industry perspective, people need to be educated to feel guilty about resisting all this "upselling." Pet maintenance is a money maker. Work those profit centers. Customer beware. snip Because you don't want to hear it. Vets win, drug co's win ... at pet owners' expense. I have already agreed with this point, in general terms, Philip. Get back to my original query. I do not agree that everything vets do and every drug available is bad. I don't know who you are disagreeing with. You will search far and wide and never find a statement from me saying "everything vets do and every drug available is bad." That would be an inference of your own making and quite inaccurate. I am addressing some flagrant excesses I have witnessed over the years. |
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Philip wrote: That is not the point. IT's the timing. I'm am not convinced castration and hysterectomy is appropriate the week a kitten stops suckling its mother or weighs 1.5 to 2 pounds is always without consequence. I understand. I would think at least wait a good bit after nursing, but prior to becoming potent...what age would that be roughly, just inside a year? |
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Philip wrote:
bigbadbarry wrote: John Ross Mc Master wrote: There is a tomcat who was fighting my Cinder every time I let her into our backyard. The group consensus was to trap the tomcat and have him neutered. Here's the story to date. Read the diary. http://www.catster.com/pet_page.php?j=t&i=140147 I'm aware of the cat overpopulation problem but I still feel guilty about this. I feel really bad. If he has an owner, the owner will have 4 days to reclaim him before the neutering. All he has to do is phone the Humane Society. But somehow I feel guilty about this. I don't own the cat and I'm cutting its balls off. Are you quitting on me?! Well, are you?! Then quit, you slimy #$^$#$# walrus-looking piece of #$$%! Get the @$^$#$%$ off of this group! Get the #@$#$%$ down off of this group! Now! Move it! I'm going to rip your balls off, so you cannot contaminate the rest of the world! I will motivate you, Private John!, if it short-dicks every cannibal on the Congo! What are you saying, Barry? It's dialogue from Kubricks' "Full Metal Jacket", adapted by Barry. It's a joke, kinda. I bet Barry could suck a golf ball through a garden hose. Forget the guilt. Snip the Tom. Live life with less stress. Haha.. short-dicks every cannibal on the Congo.. haha.. quite appropriate. -- ================================================== == Scott Davis, 45 Dunfield Av, Unit 2117 Self-Employed Toronto, ON, Canada, M4S 2H4 Tech Consultant Mobile. (416) 432-4334 The IP addrs I use to post all UseNet: 66.207.215.240/29 ================================================== == |
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"Scott Davis" wrote in message ... Philip wrote: bigbadbarry wrote: John Ross Mc Master wrote: There is a tomcat who was fighting my Cinder every time I let her into our backyard. The group consensus was to trap the tomcat and have him neutered. Here's the story to date. Read the diary. http://www.catster.com/pet_page.php?j=t&i=140147 I'm aware of the cat overpopulation problem but I still feel guilty about this. I feel really bad. If he has an owner, the owner will have 4 days to reclaim him before the neutering. All he has to do is phone the Humane Society. But somehow I feel guilty about this. I don't own the cat and I'm cutting its balls off. Are you quitting on me?! Well, are you?! Then quit, you slimy #$^$#$# walrus-looking piece of #$$%! Get the @$^$#$%$ off of this group! Get the #@$#$%$ down off of this group! Now! Move it! I'm going to rip your balls off, so you cannot contaminate the rest of the world! I will motivate you, Private John!, if it short-dicks every cannibal on the Congo! What are you saying, Barry? It's dialogue from Kubricks' "Full Metal Jacket", adapted by Barry. It's a joke, kinda. I bet Barry could suck a golf ball through a garden hose. What the hell do you mean by this? Scott? |
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Scott Davis wrote: Haha.. short-dicks every cannibal on the Congo.. haha.. quite appropriate. Nice try Brian. Soooo, hows the lace on the underwear coming. |
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bigbadbarry wrote:
Philip wrote: That is not the point. IT's the timing. I'm am not convinced castration and hysterectomy is appropriate the week a kitten stops suckling its mother or weighs 1.5 to 2 pounds is always without consequence. I understand. I would think at least wait a good bit after nursing, but prior to becoming potent...what age would that be roughly, just inside a year? THANK YOU ... for sparing me the politically correct lecture about wee kitten castration and hysterectomy. I know the level of care my cats have always been subject to. I've owned cats for longer than several of these self righteous women have been walking this earth. I don't flatter myself with knowing it all ... which is the reason I stopped by this forum (which deserves the subtitle Catfight Corner) in the first place. I won't be preached at or browbeaten by trendy, politically correct practices nor unabashed upselling veterinary services that are an affront to my senses and experiences. I won't perform castration on a male before six months ever again and in fact, will wait for that first sign of mating drive to do a castration. Hysterectomy ... that's another matter of gauging when the female is "warming up." I pay that much attention to my pets .... I cannot speak for any other people. |
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Philip wrote: I won't perform castration on a male before six months ever again and in fact, will wait for that first sign of mating drive to do a castration. Hysterectomy ... that's another matter of gauging when the female is "warming up." I pay that much attention to my pets .... I cannot speak for any other people. I'm just making this up, I may have known this before I dont know... It seems to me that certain chemicals that a body needs when it is maturing are produced in the nuts. Natural steroids, or something. Hormones.. |
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On 2005-05-27, Rhonda penned:
Hello John, Human guys have a tough time having a male cat neutered, I've noticed. They seem to take it personally and humanize it. Female women don't do the same when they have female cats spayed. Speak for yerself. I had deep misgivings about getting Oscar spayed, but I decided that her discomfort and yes, pain, was a lesser evil than even the slightest chance of having more unwanted kittens around. That doesn't mean that I felt great about having someone dig around in her belly to remove her ovaries and uterus. -- monique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca |
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On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 18:56:51 -0600, "Monique Y. Mudama"
wrote: On 2005-05-27, Rhonda penned: Hello John, Human guys have a tough time having a male cat neutered, I've noticed. They seem to take it personally and humanize it. Female women don't do the same when they have female cats spayed. Speak for yerself. I had deep misgivings about getting Oscar spayed, but I decided that her discomfort and yes, pain, was a lesser evil than even the slightest chance of having more unwanted kittens around. That doesn't mean that I felt great about having someone dig around in her belly to remove her ovaries and uterus. The neutered tomcat got returned to me. I'll post a picture to the animals pictures group |
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