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"Christina Websell" wrote in message
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Cheryl P. wrote:
Christina Websell wrote:

If you are white, you probably haven't experienced racism.

Are you really of the opinion that you can't discuss something unless
you've experienced it.

No. However you cannot experience racism if you are white,


Again, wanna make a bet?

Pam S.

OK, tell me. I can be persuaded otherwise. I am not fixed in my view on
this.

Tweed

On Jul 7, 4:20*pm, "Christina Websell"
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"Christina Websell" wrote in message
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Cheryl P. wrote:
Christina Websell wrote:

If you are white, you probably haven't experienced racism.

Are you really of the opinion that you can't discuss something unless
you've experienced it.

No. However you cannot experience racism if you are white,

Again, wanna make a bet?

Pam S.

OK, tell me. *I can be persuaded otherwise. *I am not fixed in my view on
this.

Tweed

I still don't get what your view *is*....did I miss a post? Where you
explained why you
feel that whites couldn't possibly experience racism?

Sherry

Christina Websell wrote:
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Christina Websell wrote:
Cheryl P. wrote:
Christina Websell wrote:

If you are white, you probably haven't experienced racism.

Are you really of the opinion that you can't discuss something
unless you've experienced it.

No. However you cannot experience racism if you are white,

Sorry Christina, but that is a ridiculous statement, *anyone* can
experience racism.

Anyone? Have you? You are male and I'm fairly sure you are white. Tell
me about your experiences of racism towards yourself, I would be
interested to know how it manifested itself.
I'm not trying to be difficult or confrontational, I would just like
to know if, to back up your statement that mine was ridiculous. you
have experienced racism yourself. E.g have you ever been refused a
job because you were white?

Tweed

Race and colour are not the same thing at all.
--
Adrian (Owned by Snoopy, Bagheera & Shadow)
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Christina Websell wrote:

That was brilliant, Joyce. I could not have put it better myself. Racism
is not the same as prejudice, racism is based on power and white people have
more power than non-whites and especially white males. It is argued that
white males are the most powerful people in the world.

Tweed

Wrongly argued, then. *I'm* more powerful than some white males, and I'm
not very powerful at all in the grand scheme of things, or in any
meaning of the word 'power'.

Even different groups of people of the same skin colour have different
amounts of power depending on who they are, how they are organized and
all kinds of other factors.

Cheryl

Granby wrote:
I wasn't going to get into this but, I keep hearing ministers say "there is
one race, the human race" this from the same people who a few years ago
preached against ANY kind of mixed marriage.

People do change their opinions.

Technically, there is only one human race - or to put it another way,
there is too little genetic variation among humans for them to be
categorised scientifically into any meaningful 'racial' categories.
OTOH, quite recently historically, 'race' did not specifically refer to
skin colour, it referred to any group of people with a lot in common.
You could use it in 'English race' or 'race of musicians' (or other job
or interest group).

Cheryl

I am glad they can change but there was almost hate speech against mixed
marriages. Yes, I am glad people can change.
"Cheryl P." wrote in message
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Granby wrote:
I wasn't going to get into this but, I keep hearing ministers say "there
is one race, the human race" this from the same people who a few years
ago preached against ANY kind of mixed marriage.

People do change their opinions.

Technically, there is only one human race - or to put it another way,
there is too little genetic variation among humans for them to be
categorised scientifically into any meaningful 'racial' categories. OTOH,
quite recently historically, 'race' did not specifically refer to skin
colour, it referred to any group of people with a lot in common. You could
use it in 'English race' or 'race of musicians' (or other job or interest
group).

Cheryl

"Cheryl P." wrote in message
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Christina Websell wrote:

That was brilliant, Joyce. I could not have put it better myself.
Racism is not the same as prejudice, racism is based on power and white
people have more power than non-whites and especially white males. It is
argued that white males are the most powerful people in the world.

Tweed

Wrongly argued, then. *I'm* more powerful than some white males, and I'm
not very powerful at all in the grand scheme of things, or in any meaning
of the word 'power'.


I invite you to explore that belief.

Tweed

Christina Websell wrote:
"Cheryl P." wrote in message
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Christina Websell wrote:

That was brilliant, Joyce. I could not have put it better myself.
Racism is not the same as prejudice, racism is based on power and white
people have more power than non-whites and especially white males. It is
argued that white males are the most powerful people in the world.

Tweed
Wrongly argued, then. *I'm* more powerful than some white males, and I'm
not very powerful at all in the grand scheme of things, or in any meaning
of the word 'power'.


I invite you to explore that belief.

Tweed


No need, I already have. I've even explored a good many beliefs I
eventually decided I disagree with.

I mean, it's not like this is the first time I've run into these claims
and the philosophies they are based on.

Cheryl

"Christina Websell" wrote in message
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"Matthew" wrote in message
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"Christina Websell" wrote in message
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Cheryl P. wrote:
Christina Websell wrote:

If you are white, you probably haven't experienced racism.

Are you really of the opinion that you can't discuss something unless
you've experienced it.

No. However you cannot experience racism if you are white,


THAT IS THE BIGGEST LAUGH OUT LOUD I HAVE EVER SEEN


Christina no offense you live way to much of a sheltered life If you
honestly believe that

I do not live a sheltered life at all. The population of my nearest town
is 60 per cent non white. I have non-white colleagues who tell me that
they experience insidious racism all the time, although it's not as bad as
it used to be.
I know you are white, Matthew, I have seen a photo of you, so do tell me
what racism you have experienced.
Racism is not "I was with some black people and they didn't seem to like
me because I was white and they kept blaming me for slavery."

Tweed




I have experienced it quite a bit Tweed. I am a hillbilly in redneck
country; according to the upper white class. I have a southern accent and
because of those traits. I must be some white trailer trash hick that sleeps
with my family according people out there white black purple or green. IF
I don't speak Spanish I am ignored when I got to some stores or areas.
Remember USA and EUROPE different cultures and tolerances.

I went to lunch the other day Had a Latino waitress. It was just me
eating for my table. I was dressed nice. She waited on a group of Latinos
first who were seated way after me and the other people that were having
lunch. She ignored me, looked down at the white people when she walked by
and the whole time waited on the Latinos hand and foot. I asked her could
you refill my drink after being walked by 4 times. The couple next to me
asked for a refill also. In Spanish said to "You can ****ing wait white
boy". to them said "you can wait you old ****s". I responded to her in
Spanish that I under stood her. I told a manager and the other people
talked to the manager also.

I drive for a car service to make extra money. I had a African American
couple be rude to me 2 weeks ago;for I require payment up front from ANYONE.
They said because they were black and I was white that I was being asshole
racist making them pay up front due to they were black. I left them at the
hotel. It happened when I did a Quinceañero ( Spanish sweet 15) 2 months
ago. The Latinos in the back when I asked them to take their feet off the
bar. They spoke in Spanish to the others telling them who cares what white
boy has to say again surprised I understand Spanish.

I had it happen to me when I owned the stores. If I had a problem with
someone who was not white; even if they were caught stealing. I am a racist
for that and have people come run their mouths due to me being white. I had
false reports and lawsuits done against me for I fired non white people even
when they had poor performance or were caught violating the rules or even
stealing. I was looked down by the courts because they were a different
minority and I was white . A African American Judge thought I was guilty and
said that he believed that I committed a racist act. Lucky I had proof and
won. Too bad you can't sue judges here. I think I told the group about
those store incidents when they happened.

So Tweed racism happens to ALL PEOPLE ALL THE TIME AND STILL IN THIS DAY
AND AGE.

You just have been lucky to not to have it happen to you. I am not saying
that whites get it more than any other minority I know racism is still
rampant some how some way. It always will be till humanity grows up

Matthew it is amazing how many people do not realize that the WHITES are a
minority in this country now.
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Cheryl P. wrote:
Christina Websell wrote:

If you are white, you probably haven't experienced racism.

Are you really of the opinion that you can't discuss something unless
you've experienced it.

No. However you cannot experience racism if you are white,


THAT IS THE BIGGEST LAUGH OUT LOUD I HAVE EVER SEEN


Christina no offense you live way to much of a sheltered life If you
honestly believe that

I do not live a sheltered life at all. The population of my nearest town
is 60 per cent non white. I have non-white colleagues who tell me that
they experience insidious racism all the time, although it's not as bad
as it used to be.
I know you are white, Matthew, I have seen a photo of you, so do tell me
what racism you have experienced.
Racism is not "I was with some black people and they didn't seem to like
me because I was white and they kept blaming me for slavery."

Tweed




I have experienced it quite a bit Tweed. I am a hillbilly in redneck
country; according to the upper white class. I have a southern accent and
because of those traits. I must be some white trailer trash hick that
sleeps with my family according people out there white black purple or
green. IF I don't speak Spanish I am ignored when I got to some stores
or areas. Remember USA and EUROPE different cultures and tolerances.

I went to lunch the other day Had a Latino waitress. It was just me
eating for my table. I was dressed nice. She waited on a group of
Latinos first who were seated way after me and the other people that were
having lunch. She ignored me, looked down at the white people when she
walked by and the whole time waited on the Latinos hand and foot. I
asked her could you refill my drink after being walked by 4 times. The
couple next to me asked for a refill also. In Spanish said to "You can
****ing wait white boy". to them said "you can wait you old ****s". I
responded to her in Spanish that I under stood her. I told a manager and
the other people talked to the manager also.

I drive for a car service to make extra money. I had a African American
couple be rude to me 2 weeks ago;for I require payment up front from
ANYONE. They said because they were black and I was white that I was being
asshole racist making them pay up front due to they were black. I left
them at the hotel. It happened when I did a Quinceañero ( Spanish sweet
15) 2 months ago. The Latinos in the back when I asked them to take their
feet off the bar. They spoke in Spanish to the others telling them who
cares what white boy has to say again surprised I understand Spanish.

I had it happen to me when I owned the stores. If I had a problem with
someone who was not white; even if they were caught stealing. I am a
racist for that and have people come run their mouths due to me being
white. I had false reports and lawsuits done against me for I fired non
white people even when they had poor performance or were caught violating
the rules or even stealing. I was looked down by the courts because they
were a different minority and I was white . A African American Judge
thought I was guilty and said that he believed that I committed a racist
act. Lucky I had proof and won. Too bad you can't sue judges here. I
think I told the group about those store incidents when they happened.

So Tweed racism happens to ALL PEOPLE ALL THE TIME AND STILL IN THIS DAY
AND AGE.

You just have been lucky to not to have it happen to you. I am not saying
that whites get it more than any other minority I know racism is still
rampant some how some way. It always will be till humanity grows up