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  #21  
Old October 17th 05, 08:14 PM
CatNipped
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"Nomen Nescio" ] wrote in message
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From: Victor Martinez

Lori, don't bother with Nomen. He's a troll as far as I'm concerned.


Which, of course, supports my point.
Lori, being a woman, can't possibly have the mental capability
to form her own opinions about me, or make her own choices
about responding to me and needs a man (well, sort of ) like
Victor to tell her how she should act.


I'm sure Victor wasn't being chauvinistic, he was simply trying to protect a
friend from someone who has flamed her in the past - I don't think my sex
has anything to do with it. However, I don't carry baggage in RL much less
UseNet. I was replying to the comment not the commentator and the
possibility of being flamed has never stopped me yet!.

As to the sort of man Victor is - he is one I am proud to know and call my
friend.

Hugs,

CatNipped


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  #22  
Old October 17th 05, 09:00 PM
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"Victor Martinez" wrote in message
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CatNipped wrote:
"Nomen Nescio" ] wrote in
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Lori, don't bother with Nomen. He's a troll as far as I'm concerned.


It might be more effective to simply call him a jerk, if you must resort to
name calling. The word "troll" has lost all objective meaning, outside of
just someone whose posts you dislike. As unbelievable as it may be to some
of us, there are people who annoy us without actually TRYING.

The last objective defn. of "troll" is someone who intends to annoy to get a
rise out of someone. People who annoy you because you do not like their
opinions or they tend to get the upper hand in arguments and that annoys you
are not necessarily trolls.


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  #23  
Old October 17th 05, 09:12 PM
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cybercat wrote:
It might be more effective to simply call him a jerk, if you must resort to
name calling. The word "troll" has lost all objective meaning, outside of
just someone whose posts you dislike. As unbelievable as it may be to some


Well, I think he outed himself as a troll when he said how much he
enjoyed the abusive flooding we suffered a while back becase "we
deserved it".

rise out of someone. People who annoy you because you do not like their
opinions or they tend to get the upper hand in arguments and that annoys you
are not necessarily trolls.


I don't give a hoot about his opinions. It's his attitude that stinks.


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Old October 17th 05, 09:49 PM
Kreisleriana
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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:41:30 -0500, "CatNipped"
yodeled:

"Nomen Nescio" ] wrote in message
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From: Wayne Mitchell

Part of the reason we sometimes think women would do a better
job at governing our nations than men have been doing is that we
have had less opportunity to observe them in the effort.


We just had a chance to see a woman in action. The governor
of Louisiana did a hell of a fine job dealing with a crisis. Did she not?


All the problems were someone else's fault according to her.


Using Louisiana as an example of any kind of political or leadership skills
is simply not valid. This is a state that once nominated a convicted
criminal and the former leader of the Klu Klux Klan (both males) to run
against each other for governor



Do you remember the classic bumper sticker from the time of David
Duke's campaign: "VOTE FOR THE CROOK" ?


Theresa
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Old October 17th 05, 09:56 PM
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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:07:46 -0700, "Jo Firey"
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"Pamela Shirk" wrote in message
thlink.net...

"Pamela Shirk" wrote in message
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If you're as nutty as I am and watch the Red necked Comedy Tour, you'll
know that there is one part called "I Believe." In it the comedians take
turns giving comedic versions of life as they'd like it. I got thinking
last night and came up with a couple of personal "I Believes." Please
join in and help me work off some rant time.


I believe that those who are caught creating computer viruses should be
forced to unravel the US and state tax codes, and write clear versions of
them.

I believe that laughter is a more universal and precious language than
shouting

I believe that we should all let our inner child out more often

I believe that if people showed the common sense of cats we'd all be a lot
better off

I believe that if our kids are our future, we'd all better start training
them better today

I believe that unruly teens should be sealed in wine barrels and fed
through the bung holes. When they're 18 we can let them out and see if it
worked, if not they should be sealed back in and released on a trial basis
when they turn 21.



Finally. Someone with more extreme views than mine on Teens. I've long
believed that teen boys, as much for their own sake as for the sake of their
families and society in general should be confined. Lately I've come to the
conclusion that teen girls are at least as bad.



I live on the border of an Orthodox Jewish community, and always used
to "tsk tsk" at the regimented and confined lives of their young
people, especially the girls.

These days, the more I see and hear about so-called "normal" teens--
I find myself wondering if they don't have the right idea. :P

In the kids' defense, though, I think both they and their parents are
at the mercy of a powerful popular culture that promotes obsessions
with money, fame and sex.


Theresa
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Make Levees, Not War
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Old October 17th 05, 10:36 PM
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"Nomen Nescio" ] wrote in message
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As to the sort of man Victor is - he is one I am proud to know and call my
friend.


Actually, I think he seems like a pretty nice guy. He doesn't
like me, though, so I couldn't resist yankin' him a little since
I know he's gay......Um......maybe I should have phrased that
differently.
I'm a "live and let live" kind of guy (at least up to a point, which
is why I carry the Sig). Any problem I have with Victor revolves
around his quickness to hang labels on people. In my case,
"troll". And of course, calling me a "troll" is inaccurate since I
post sincere words and thoughts that stand or fall on their own
merit (with an occasional attempt at humor).
And it does seem a little hypocritical to be labeled a "TROLL"
by a "FAG".


Fairly well put. However, you yourself have proved fairly
quick to accept the term "troll" when it is applied to others.
Also hypocritical.


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Old October 17th 05, 10:54 PM
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"Pat" wrote in message
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"Pamela Shirk" wrote in message
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If you're as nutty as I am and watch the Red necked Comedy Tour, you'll
know that there is one part called "I Believe."


I believe, if you call the Blue Collar Comedy Tour by the wrong name, you
might be a redneck!



I believe that if you call the Blue Collar Comedy Tour by the wrong name,
you
might NOT be a redneck!


  #28  
Old October 17th 05, 10:58 PM
Victor Martinez
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Kreisleriana wrote:
Do you remember the classic bumper sticker from the time of David
Duke's campaign: "VOTE FOR THE CROOK" ?


Hmmm... how would you know which crook are they wanting you to vote for?

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Old October 17th 05, 11:09 PM
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Yoj wrote:

"PatM" wrote in message
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{{{I believe the world would be in MUCH better shape if it were
run by post-menopausal women. Women are never subject to
the need to appear "macho" and they are much more analytical
in making choices - especially after the biological urge to
reproduce has passed.}}}

Ditto. Would women start a war then send their sons and daughters off
to die?



I believe that those who think it's a good idea to go to war should be the
ones to do the fighting.


Until the advent of "modern" warfare, that's the way it
worked! (Of course the "vassals" didn't have much choice
when their bosses wanted a war - but at least the guys who
wanted it were LEADING, not safe behind the lines, somewhere.)

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Old October 17th 05, 11:34 PM
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Shiral wrote:



I believe in freedom of religion, but I also believe that religion
should not be taught in public school science classes. We need citizens
who are scientifically literate and know how to prove or disprove a
theory by proper scientific methods. Learn about and discuss your
chosen theology at your chosen place of worship, not in biology class.


I believe that everyone should be taught the difference
between "faith" and "fact". "Faith" applies to things that
CANNOT be proved or disproved by any scientific method we
yet possess. It's "fact" that no one can objectively PROVE
the existence (or non-existence) of God - we just don't know
enough, yet. That's where "faith" comes in - if you
"believe", then for you He exists (and no one can point to
any facts proving He does not).

I have never understood the kind of mentality that refuses
to accept the findings of science because "It's against what
the Bible says". The Bible, divinely inspired or not, was
written down by MEN (at a time when people were largely
ignorant about the world around them). Much of it had been
handed down by word of mouth for generations before there
even WAS any written language, and if you've ever played a
party game called "Gossip", you know how reliable THAT
usually is! If scientific findings differ, they are simply
revealing more about the works of God than we previously
knew. Explaining the "how" of a miracle doesn't make it any
less a miracle. (Although I barely passed a class called
"Jesus of History" at my Presbyterian college, due to
arguing that point with one of the more narrow-minded profs
in the department - fortunately, they weren't all like him!)

 




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