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![]() "Bill Graham" wrote in message ... Julie Bove wrote: "Higgs Boson" wrote in message ... Your data base is on the smallish side, for a country with over 300,000,000 population. Suggestion -- to you and others (you know who you are). Simply remove the term "socialized medicine" and substitute ""universal health care", and see how much that simple change of words will soothe your savage breasts. --------- Nope. I don't even like HMO's. After having studied insurance on the brink of my husband getting a new job I can now say that a lot of it truly sucks. To say that we all need health insurance or to make it available to everyone is truly meaningless. As much as I have complained about the medical insurance that I do have, apparently it is quite good. I consider myself lucky. --------- To be blunt, I doubt if 99% of the respondents have a CLUE as to the history of socialism. You just ingest and regurgitate the bilge that is fed to you throujgh the corporate media. Their funders -- Koch et al -- poop their pants at the thought that giving workers decent conditions and refraining from manufacturing harmful products could -- heaven forfend -- send the stock price down even a point or two. Yet all objective research shows that treating employees well, thus lessening turnover and concomitant need for re-training, and selling good products actually HELPS the bottom line. --------- Actually I know pretty much about it seeing as how the brother of one of my best friends was (not sure if he still is) a member of the Socialist Worker's Party. I had to listen to him spout off about it far more than I wanted to. Sounds pretty good on paper but when you think about it, doesn't work out so well for a lot of people. This comes from a card-carrying capitalist, who is sure capitalism can be made to work profitably for the sellers and compassionately for the buyers. It's only massive greed, arrogance, and lust for power that screws up a viable system. ------- Okay... I am one of those people who doesn't really desire to be rich and famous. As long as I have a roof over my head, enough money to get what I need, enough to eat, etc., I'm okay. I do donate food to the food bank when I can and I do give to animal charities when I can. *shrugs* Capitalism has worked very well for over 250 years. Socialism, on the other hand is definitely not working in Europe (many countries there are going broke) and, it doesn't seem to be working very well here, either. (Those bums who live down under the freeway overpass on welfare checks are increasing in number) I think I'll stick with capitalism and our Constitution, thanks..... Yep. That's kinda why communes don't work either. I know some people who tried that back in the 70's. Again, looks good on paper. But get just one bad seed and... |
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:24:56 -0700, Billy
wrote: In article , dgk wrote: On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:12:52 -0700, "Bill Graham" wrote: dgk wrote: On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 17:27:30 -0700, "Bill Graham" wrote: Brooklyn1 wrote: dgk wrote: Brooklyn1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. What good is a "happy" cat flattened with tire tread impressions... cats are happy indoors... you're an imbecile. Everyone, and everything, dies., What's important is enjoying what little time you have. This is true for me, and also true for my cats. Only a stupid liberal would trade freedom for a longer life, and then have the gall to impose their poor choice on the rest of the world...... Hey, I'm a liberal and I let my cats out. Well, perhaps you are the exception... Most of the liberals I know have the following attitude: I wouldn't do it, and if I wouldn't do it, then nobody should do it, so we should make a law that forbids anyone from doing it. I don't think that has even a hint of truth to it though. Most liberals I know want people to do what they want. Get married to someone of the same sex? Fine by me. Get a tattoo, it's your body. You want to smoke pot? No problem to me. In fact, if you want to use cocaine and you're an adult, fine by me. Just collect some tax on it. No, most liberals are pretty libertarian. But there are limits and problems once things affect someone else. I prefer government to control those things rather than corporate power. And I see the attack on government as increasing corporate power. http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/the-pe...build-the-amer ican-dream/ Yes, that's pretty much the idea. |
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:24:56 -0700, Billy wrote: In article , dgk wrote: On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:12:52 -0700, "Bill Graham" wrote: dgk wrote: On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 17:27:30 -0700, "Bill Graham" wrote: Brooklyn1 wrote: dgk wrote: Brooklyn1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. What good is a "happy" cat flattened with tire tread impressions... cats are happy indoors... you're an imbecile. Everyone, and everything, dies., What's important is enjoying what little time you have. This is true for me, and also true for my cats. Only a stupid liberal would trade freedom for a longer life, and then have the gall to impose their poor choice on the rest of the world...... Hey, I'm a liberal and I let my cats out. Well, perhaps you are the exception... Most of the liberals I know have the following attitude: I wouldn't do it, and if I wouldn't do it, then nobody should do it, so we should make a law that forbids anyone from doing it. I don't think that has even a hint of truth to it though. Most liberals I know want people to do what they want. Get married to someone of the same sex? Fine by me. Get a tattoo, it's your body. You want to smoke pot? No problem to me. In fact, if you want to use cocaine and you're an adult, fine by me. Just collect some tax on it. No, most liberals are pretty libertarian. But there are limits and problems once things affect someone else. I prefer government to control those things rather than corporate power. And I see the attack on government as increasing corporate power. http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/the-pe...build-the-amer ican-dream/ Yes, that's pretty much the idea. Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time. What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both for animals and men. |
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Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time. What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both for animals and men. Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap *******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find flattened in the road. I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just trolling. |
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![]() "Brooklyn1" Gravesend1 wrote in message ... "Bill Graham" wrote: Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time. What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both for animals and men. Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap *******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find flattened in the road. I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just trolling. I tried to take in two strays once but Maui (my old cat) wouldn't have them. I couldn't really afford three cats at the time anyway. I had a feed store say that they would take them but they wound up not doing it. They loaned me a big kennel for them and I could at least let them sleep in that on the freezing nights in my house. It was the only thing that kept them safe from Maui. And they willingly came in to sleep. I did feed them. Then my husband (we were not married yet) called around and found a shelter that would take them if he would pay to have them spayed and neutered, which he did. Hopefully they went to a good home. |
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On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 19:24:44 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote:
"Bill Graham" wrote: Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time. What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both for animals and men. Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap *******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find flattened in the road. I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just trolling. Maybe he can't afford litter? Maybe he can't afford to take cats to the vet? I don't know. We all do what we can, that's why we're on these groups. I have four cats. I can keep them totally safe, locked in a small room. Should I do that? If I give them the run of the house, maybe they'll chew on a wire and get electrocuted. Maybe they'll eat a stray rubber band and die of a perorated colon. Maybe find a string and eat that, tying up their intestines. No, I'd better keep them locked in a small room with nothing that can possible hurt them. Food bowls, water, litterbox. No cat tree because they might jump off it and break a leg. If I let them have the run of the house, maybe they'll break a screen in the window and get out. That actually happend once - they didn't get out but they could have. I can't take any more in although I'd like to. Maybe just one more. And maybe just one more after that. Perhaps stop at 15? 20? That's called hoarding or collecting. Am I bad for taking care of a few outside cats but not taking them inside? I've built them shelters, I feed them, I've had them fixed. And yes, they stand a pretty good chance of getting run over. I dread that happening, particularly to the one we call Baby, but I can't fix all the problems in the world. I can't take in every cat and keep it safe. I'd love to. If I take in Baby, how about that new grey one that showed up, Buddy? Maybe we should turn them into some agency where they might get adopted if sociable enough or, far more likely, killed? And I do feed the outside cats Friskees or 9Lives or something cheaper than what I feed the indoor ones. It costs a lot of money, and my spoiled cats don't even like the good food that they get. For that matter, they don't like Friskees. They're spoiled. Sure, why buy food that MIGHT be better for them in the long run when they're likely to die of some accident before I could find them and get them to a vet? So we all do what we can. Some of us believe that the quality of the cat's life, the ability to hunt and to roam is more important than keeping them in a safe sterile box. I'm the rare third option. Mine go into a fenced in yard where they can dig and lie in the earth or hide under bushes as they will. There is some risk, but they love it. Should I make them stay inside? You think so. I think not. We both love our cats. |
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On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 00:06:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
wrote: "Brooklyn1" Gravesend1 wrote in message .. . "Bill Graham" wrote: Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time. What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both for animals and men. Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap *******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find flattened in the road. I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just trolling. I tried to take in two strays once but Maui (my old cat) wouldn't have them. I couldn't really afford three cats at the time anyway. I had a feed store say that they would take them but they wound up not doing it. They loaned me a big kennel for them and I could at least let them sleep in that on the freezing nights in my house. It was the only thing that kept them safe from Maui. And they willingly came in to sleep. I did feed them. Then my husband (we were not married yet) called around and found a shelter that would take them if he would pay to have them spayed and neutered, which he did. Hopefully they went to a good home. Hopefully. I'm always afraid to take cats to any organization other than a no-kill shelter. And even that can be a problem because the cat can stay in a small cage for a very long time. No fun for the cat. PETA thinks that it's better for the cats to be PTS rather than live their life in a no-kill shelter. It's a reasonable arugment. |
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dgk wrote: On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 19:24:44 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Why are you pin heads cross posting to a half dozen groups including gardener's, consumer's groups? Are you a band of TROLLS? Or are you just being lead by the anti-Christian Brooklyn1? ----------- From: Sheldon a.k.a. Brooklyn1 Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: I would like some feedback.. Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Christian wrote: I own a business "Professional Pond Maintenance and Fish Care". That's your first untruth... you *operate* a business.... you don't own a business until your IRS return doesn't show you're operating at a loss. I'm not here to promote my business. That's your second untruth. I'm wanting to get any and all feedback, positive or negative, on a website I designed recently to go with it. I advertise locally and direct folks to my site for more information. Here is the link:http://allyoudoisfeedthefish.net/index.html What do you think of the basic design? Can you read it easily? Ads or no ads? I'm thinking people here are close to my target audience, being that garden lovers usually like ponds even if they don't personally have one. Thank You, Christian Your parents must have had high hopes for you to succeed in the arts... you're not going to do well in business unless you change your name. ---------- "Bill Graham" wrote: Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time. What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both for animals and men. Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap *******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find flattened in the road. I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just trolling. Maybe he can't afford litter? Maybe he can't afford to take cats to the vet? I don't know. We all do what we can, that's why we're on these groups. I have four cats. I can keep them totally safe, locked in a small room. Should I do that? If I give them the run of the house, maybe they'll chew on a wire and get electrocuted. Maybe they'll eat a stray rubber band and die of a perorated colon. Maybe find a string and eat that, tying up their intestines. No, I'd better keep them locked in a small room with nothing that can possible hurt them. Food bowls, water, litterbox. No cat tree because they might jump off it and break a leg. If I let them have the run of the house, maybe they'll break a screen in the window and get out. That actually happend once - they didn't get out but they could have. I can't take any more in although I'd like to. Maybe just one more. And maybe just one more after that. Perhaps stop at 15? 20? That's called hoarding or collecting. Am I bad for taking care of a few outside cats but not taking them inside? I've built them shelters, I feed them, I've had them fixed. And yes, they stand a pretty good chance of getting run over. I dread that happening, particularly to the one we call Baby, but I can't fix all the problems in the world. I can't take in every cat and keep it safe. I'd love to. If I take in Baby, how about that new grey one that showed up, Buddy? Maybe we should turn them into some agency where they might get adopted if sociable enough or, far more likely, killed? And I do feed the outside cats Friskees or 9Lives or something cheaper than what I feed the indoor ones. It costs a lot of money, and my spoiled cats don't even like the good food that they get. For that matter, they don't like Friskees. They're spoiled. Sure, why buy food that MIGHT be better for them in the long run when they're likely to die of some accident before I could find them and get them to a vet? So we all do what we can. Some of us believe that the quality of the cat's life, the ability to hunt and to roam is more important than keeping them in a safe sterile box. I'm the rare third option. Mine go into a fenced in yard where they can dig and lie in the earth or hide under bushes as they will. There is some risk, but they love it. Should I make them stay inside? You think so. I think not. We both love our cats. -- Welcome to the New America. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA736oK9FPg or E Pluribus Unum Green Party Nominee Jill Stein & Running Mate, Cheri Honkala http://www.democracynow.org/2012/7/13/green_party_nominee_jill_stein_running |
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![]() "dgk" wrote in message ... On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 00:06:31 -0700, "Julie Bove" wrote: "Brooklyn1" Gravesend1 wrote in message . .. "Bill Graham" wrote: Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time. What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both for animals and men. Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap *******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find flattened in the road. I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just trolling. I tried to take in two strays once but Maui (my old cat) wouldn't have them. I couldn't really afford three cats at the time anyway. I had a feed store say that they would take them but they wound up not doing it. They loaned me a big kennel for them and I could at least let them sleep in that on the freezing nights in my house. It was the only thing that kept them safe from Maui. And they willingly came in to sleep. I did feed them. Then my husband (we were not married yet) called around and found a shelter that would take them if he would pay to have them spayed and neutered, which he did. Hopefully they went to a good home. Hopefully. I'm always afraid to take cats to any organization other than a no-kill shelter. And even that can be a problem because the cat can stay in a small cage for a very long time. No fun for the cat. PETA thinks that it's better for the cats to be PTS rather than live their life in a no-kill shelter. It's a reasonable arugment. True but we were having a severe winter and the kitten got damage to her paw pads from being out in the cold. So they needed medical attention. |
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"Julie Bove" wrote: Hellooooooooooooooooooooooooo, Julie. You don't care if your being a troll, or are you just unconscious? "dgk" wrote in message ... On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 00:06:31 -0700, "Julie Bove" wrote: "Brooklyn1" Gravesend1 wrote in message . .. "Bill Graham" wrote: Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time. What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both for animals and men. Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap *******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find flattened in the road. I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just trolling. I tried to take in two strays once but Maui (my old cat) wouldn't have them. I couldn't really afford three cats at the time anyway. I had a feed store say that they would take them but they wound up not doing it. They loaned me a big kennel for them and I could at least let them sleep in that on the freezing nights in my house. It was the only thing that kept them safe from Maui. And they willingly came in to sleep. I did feed them. Then my husband (we were not married yet) called around and found a shelter that would take them if he would pay to have them spayed and neutered, which he did. Hopefully they went to a good home. Hopefully. I'm always afraid to take cats to any organization other than a no-kill shelter. And even that can be a problem because the cat can stay in a small cage for a very long time. No fun for the cat. PETA thinks that it's better for the cats to be PTS rather than live their life in a no-kill shelter. It's a reasonable arugment. True but we were having a severe winter and the kitten got damage to her paw pads from being out in the cold. So they needed medical attention. -- Welcome to the New America. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA736oK9FPg or E Pluribus Unum Green Party Nominee Jill Stein & Running Mate, Cheri Honkala http://www.democracynow.org/2012/7/13/green_party_nominee_jill_stein_running |
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