Might as well just buy the cheap stuff.

On Thu 22 Mar 2007 08:11:35p, Lynne wrote in
rec.pets.cats.health+behav
om:

Now
that I know Innova Evo is a Menu Food product, I'm not going to
serve anymore wet until I'm absolutely certain it's safe.

How did I miss this? It is??

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Cheryl

on Fri, 23 Mar 2007 01:17:40 GMT, Cheryl
wrote:

Now
that I know Innova Evo is a Menu Food product, I'm not going to
serve anymore wet until I'm absolutely certain it's safe.

How did I miss this? It is??

Here you go:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.p.../2f216915b762a
1f5

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Lynne

On 22 Mar 2007 10:32:40 -0700, Lis wrote:

On Mar 21, 2:39 pm, Patty wrote:
On 20 Mar 2007 12:55:39 -0700, Lis wrote:



This makes no sense. Pressuring them to drop Menu NOW, sure; issuing a
commercial "death penalty" for having trusted a supplier who has
previously always been reliable is nuts. And unless you're prepared to
feed your cat whole ground mouse, you're going to have a tough time
putting together a diet for her that's as balanced and complete as a
premium commercial food.

Lis

I've always wondered about this. My Rusty was a born hunter, having been
descended from generations of farm cats, and he always preferred what he
caught to any canned or bagged food on the market. That said, he is now
16, a wee bit slow on his feet so he doesn't catch what he hunts so much
anymore (when he does hunt). Anyhow, until this point in time, he has been
the healthiest of cats even though his diet consisted more of wildlife than
any commercial food product. So, are there better nutrients in wildlife
than say, grocery store chicken? Rusty has never had any problems with
hairballs either, I don't recall him ever throwing any up, and he's a
domestic long hair. I read once that the rougage the big wild cats get
from eating bones and such, takes care of their need for any type of
hairball treatment.

Oh, and he always liked the mice heads best.

Patty

When Rusty eats a mouse, he eats the whole mouse--a complete and
balanced meal for a cat.

Actually, no. He always ate the head and left the body for me. I would
find headless bodies on the sidewalk along side the house.

When you feed him grocery store chicken, you feed him parts. Not the
whole thing, not the parts humans find disgusting, and not the
contents of the chicken's stomach when it died. You can cook for you
cat, but you need to remember that your intincts about what's
nutritious (and tasty and appetizing, but especially nutritious) are
wrong, because cats are the only domestic animal that's an obligate
carnivore. There ARE some good cookbooks out there that can give you
good guidance, but it's a lot of work, and most people simply aren't
willing to both do all the work, and ignore their instincts in the
cause of doing it right. (I'd post the titles of those cookbooks if I
still had any of them; sorry!)

Just cooking chicken for your cat, even including organ meats, is
simply not as good as a well-tested, premium commercial food, that's
been carefully developed to both provide a healthy diet for the cat,
AND not be too disgusting-smelling when opened for people to buy it a
second time. (Really. Every so often some company gets as far as
limited market-testing of whole ground mouse. Even true cat lovers
don't open that second can.)

Lis

Thanks, Lis. That makes sense.

Patty

On 22 Mar 2007 13:02:03 -0700, Sherry wrote:

On Mar 21, 1:39 pm, Patty wrote:

Oh, and he always liked the mice heads best.

Patty

Well, the way I understand it, mouse brains are "nutritious and
delicious." IIRC, that's the main source of taurine.

Sherry

Thanks, Sherry. Guess that's why he liked them best.

Patty

on Fri, 23 Mar 2007 02:45:50 GMT, Patty wrote:

Actually, no. He always ate the head and left the body for me. I would
find headless bodies on the sidewalk along side the house.

Ah, memories...

I never used to like cats AT ALL until I moved into a very cool house in
college my junior year, with 7 roommates. The girl whose room I moved into
left 2 of her cats behind for 3 months while she travelled abroad. I was
disintereted in them until her very large male, a tuxedo cat named Micah,
took a liking to me. He was such an awesome cat. I was always touched
when he left me headless mice as gifts (I found the first by sitting on
it!). When Patti came back and took her cats, I missed Micah so much that
I went out and got my first kitten.

Lamonte, my kitten, preferred to hunt one of my roommates' fish when he was
little, which didn't please him (the roommate) at all. Come to think of
it, not long after we brought Rudy home, he ate my daughter's beta fish,
who didn't appreciate it AT ALL when I couldn't stop laughing.

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Lynne

On Mar 22, 3:18 pm, Lynne wrote:
on Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:04:06 GMT, "Sherry" wrote:

Well, there's a lot more to it than hacking up raw meat and throwing
to the cats. Feeding a raw diet *can* be done right, but just like
commercial cat food, there's a formula to follow. It takes a lot of
dedication to do it right. Bacteria isn't an issue if safe-handling
guidelines are followed.
I wouldn't ever do it. It's a lot of work, and very expensive.

I'd buy canned mice for my cats (heck, I buy dead frozen mice for the
snake), but I'll bet chasing them down and killing them is half the fun of
consuming them. I imagine that if some bold company were to can mice,
they'd still have to do something to it in order to make it more appealing
to kitties.

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Lynne

Oh, I'd probably try it too. I bought canned from petfooddirect that
was made out of rabbit meat, thinking OF COURSE they would love it.
Heh. They turned their noses up at it. This is all part of trying to
get Boots to eat *anything*...she is picky, picky and a tiny little
thing. But I bet I'll be much more careful about indiscriminate
purchases of anything-that-looks-like-Boots-might-eat-it. After this
recall fiasco. I'll probably be much more likely to stick to their
regular brand.

Sherry

"Lynne" wrote in message
m...
on Fri, 23 Mar 2007 00:00:06 GMT, "Gail Futoran"
wrote:

Serious question about canned food: I'd
changed from 100% dry to at least one daily
feeding of canned (two daily feddings for
the kittens until they reach about 9 months)
after starting to read this newsgroup several
years ago.

None of the cats (except Melosa) will eat
much of the canned, preferring dry, but
I've persisted. Now I'm wondering if I
should forget the canned until this whole
recall business is concluded.

Anyone have any thoughts on that?

It may be paranoia on both our parts, but I've had the same
thoughts. Now
that I know Innova Evo is a Menu Food product, I'm not going to
serve
anymore wet until I'm absolutely certain it's safe. I've only used
1 can
out of the last case I purchased, so I really don't have a high
level of
comfort based on any "well it hasn't hurt them yet" experiences...

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Lynne

My cats never eat that much of the canned,
preferring the dry food, so I'll continue to
offer a variety of different manufacturers
and different flavors. I figure that's
reasonably safe.

This morning Marcus, my only male cat,
followed me into the kitchen squeaking (he
doesn't meow). So I put down some SD
kitten canned for him and Gabby, the other
kitten, and they ate more than usual. I
usually feed them at night, so I guess I'm
going to have to switch to a morning feed.

I am ruled by my cats. ::sigh::

Gail F.

on Fri, 23 Mar 2007 18:36:04 GMT, "Gail Futoran"
wrote:

I am ruled by my cats. ::sigh::

Well then all is right in your universe.

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Lynne