Help, my cat is a serial killer!

"Dave F" wrote in message
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"Garret Swayne" wrote in message
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My cat Zacky is an indoor/outdoor cat, and he's forever bringing home
prey that he catches. Every week or so, I'll come home and find a bloody
lifeless bird in my living room (and the room full of feathers!) Or a
lizard. Or a mouse. Or these really weird worms that are not snails or
slugs, but look like snails without their shell. He also brings in these
really huge grasshoppers and then torture them to death, leaving large
insect carcasses throughout the house. It's like living with a feline
serial murderer! Occasionally, I'll catch him as he's bringing in his
captive still alive and as yet unharmed. So I'll give him a stern NO,
take it from his mouth, and carry it outside to release it. This kind of
****es him off, but I'm not sure what else to do.
I really want to discourage such behavior. Any ideas?

-Garret
garret at garretswayne dot com

I just read through this thread and the ignorance just amazes me. Read the
following and then do the right thing and keep your cat indoors where it
belongs.

http://www.wildliferescueleague.org/cats.html

http://www.abcbirds.org/cats/

Dave

I have read your articles, and I disagree 100%. Cats were created to roam,
and I wouldn't keep one locked up indoors on a bet. Not only that, but if
"100's of millions of birds" are killed every year by cats, there must be
trillions of cats out there with no food to eat.....My four cats haven't
killed 1/2 dozen birds in the last 10 years. For one thing, birds are very
hard to kill....Snakes, lizards and field mice are much easier, and even the
feral cat lived on mice and voles for the first couple of years of his life
before we started feeding him.
But, when you get right down to it, birds are very low on the order of
life, and they are among the most heartless living things in existence. I
couldn't care less how many birds that my cats kill, to tell the truth. Have
you ever seen a bunch of chickens peck one of their number to death? - If
you had, you would gain a vastly different perspective on birds. Sure, they
are pretty....Some of them are downright beautiful. But that doesn't make
them any more compassionate than any other animal....
Your article greatly exaggerates the number of birds that fall prey to
outside cats.....It only serves as an excuse for teenagers (or those with a
teenage mentality) to kill cats.

"William Graham" wrote in message
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"Dave F" wrote in message
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"Garret Swayne" wrote in message
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My cat Zacky is an indoor/outdoor cat, and he's forever bringing home
prey that he catches. Every week or so, I'll come home and find a
bloody lifeless bird in my living room (and the room full of feathers!)
Or a lizard. Or a mouse. Or these really weird worms that are not
snails or slugs, but look like snails without their shell. He also
brings in these really huge grasshoppers and then torture them to death,
leaving large insect carcasses throughout the house. It's like living
with a feline serial murderer! Occasionally, I'll catch him as he's
bringing in his captive still alive and as yet unharmed. So I'll give
him a stern NO, take it from his mouth, and carry it outside to release
it. This kind of ****es him off, but I'm not sure what else to do.
I really want to discourage such behavior. Any ideas?

-Garret
garret at garretswayne dot com

I just read through this thread and the ignorance just amazes me. Read
the following and then do the right thing and keep your cat indoors where
it belongs.

http://www.wildliferescueleague.org/cats.html

http://www.abcbirds.org/cats/

Dave

I have read your articles, and I disagree 100%. Cats were created to roam,
and I wouldn't keep one locked up indoors on a bet. Not only that, but if
"100's of millions of birds" are killed every year by cats, there must be
trillions of cats out there with no food to eat.....My four cats haven't
killed 1/2 dozen birds in the last 10 years. For one thing, birds are very
hard to kill....Snakes, lizards and field mice are much easier, and even
the feral cat lived on mice and voles for the first couple of years of his
life before we started feeding him.
But, when you get right down to it, birds are very low on the order of
life, and they are among the most heartless living things in existence. I
couldn't care less how many birds that my cats kill, to tell the truth.
Have you ever seen a bunch of chickens peck one of their number to
death? - If you had, you would gain a vastly different perspective on
birds. Sure, they are pretty....Some of them are downright beautiful. But
that doesn't make them any more compassionate than any other animal....
Your article greatly exaggerates the number of birds that fall prey to
outside cats.....It only serves as an excuse for teenagers (or those with
a teenage mentality) to kill cats.

You're a moron. Only good thing about youor cats being outside is they get
to get away from you.

Dave

"Dave F" wrote in message
birds. Sure, they are pretty....Some of them are downright beautiful.
But
that doesn't make them any more compassionate than any other animal....

You're a moron. Only good thing about youor cats being outside is they get
to get away from you.

Then I must be a moron too. Much as I've disagreed with William in the
past, I have little disregard for birds too aside from the insects they
might eat. Try going down to the islands in Toronto sometime and see how
long it takes you to lose any consideration for birds. Trekking out to a
picnic table with the family means walking very carefully through the goose
****. And don't forget to bring all the cleansers and paper towel, because
the picnic table will be saturated. They should all be shot, cooked and fed
to the homeless population in the city. Sitting out at your picnic table for
a few seconds means you'll get covered in pigeon ****. They're nothing more
than flying diapers. Any chance of enjoying the outdoors will inevitably be
ruined in minutes by birds. For the first ten years in my apartment, the
balcony was virtually unusable because of the pigeon ****. Cleaning the
balcony meant one day of usage and then be prepared to clean again.

Birds of all types should be hunted, shot, poisoned and everything else that
gets rid of them. So yeah, I'm a moron too.

"Dave F" wrote in message
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You're a moron. Only good thing about youor cats being outside is they get
to get away from you.

Dave
I am amazed and astounded by your incredible ability to argue your
point....You must have been the capitan of your debating team in college.
Your ability to discuss this issue is almost as good as your ability to
evaluate statistics such as the, "millions of birds" that fall victim to
cats every year. Have you considered running for president? If not, then I
suggest you think seriously about it. This nation needs leadership that is
capable of such brilliant perspicasity and imagination.

"Dave F" wrote in message


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I just read through this thread and the ignorance just
amazes me. Read the following and then do the right thing
and keep your cat indoors where it belongs.

Sigh.. PLEASE let's not start this argument again. Cats are not naturally
indoor animals. No animals are.

Ivor

"Ivor Jones" wrote in message
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"Dave F" wrote in message


[snip]

I just read through this thread and the ignorance just
amazes me. Read the following and then do the right thing
and keep your cat indoors where it belongs.

Sigh.. PLEASE let's not start this argument again. Cats are not naturally
indoor animals. No animals are.


They are domesticated, you flaming ****ing idiot, and belong indoors
now, unless you want them to have short miserable lives.

I had a bonehead friend who was as stupid as you are. She let her
cat outside in a busy city and never saw him again. I had no sympathy
for her, especially after the ignorant bitch said that she would rather him
have a short lifespan and go outside than a long lifespan and stay in.

My indoor cats are so happy. Happy and fiesty and SAFE. They
sit in the screened windows and enjoy the birds and squirrels and
chipmunks and bugs and rabbits that would not be there if they
went out. They never try to get out. They have caught two mice
that came in, but they didn't eat them, why should they, cat food
is easier? So they didn't get any disease the mice happened to
carry.

It's 2007. It's not safe outside for ANYONE, but particularly
not for creatures with little cat brains.

Take your cats to a shelter. They are better off there.




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"cybercat" wrote in message
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"Ivor Jones" wrote in message
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"Dave F" wrote in message


[snip]

I just read through this thread and the ignorance just
amazes me. Read the following and then do the right thing
and keep your cat indoors where it belongs.

Sigh.. PLEASE let's not start this argument again. Cats are not naturally
indoor animals. No animals are.


They are domesticated, you flaming ****ing idiot, and belong indoors
now, unless you want them to have short miserable lives.

I had a bonehead friend who was as stupid as you are. She let her
cat outside in a busy city and never saw him again. I had no sympathy
for her, especially after the ignorant bitch said that she would rather
him
have a short lifespan and go outside than a long lifespan and stay in.

My indoor cats are so happy. Happy and fiesty and SAFE. They
sit in the screened windows and enjoy the birds and squirrels and
chipmunks and bugs and rabbits that would not be there if they
went out. They never try to get out. They have caught two mice
that came in, but they didn't eat them, why should they, cat food
is easier? So they didn't get any disease the mice happened to
carry.

It's 2007. It's not safe outside for ANYONE, but particularly
not for creatures with little cat brains.

Take your cats to a shelter. They are better off there.




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Don't bother with these "things". They are incapable of understanding even
the most basic science/fact, such as domesticated cats not being a native
species, and why it's so horribly wrong for the human animal to suddenly
dump millions of these poor cats outdoors. I gave them the links which
explains it all in detail, and their responses were absolutely ridiculous.

Dave

"Dave F" wrote

Don't bother with these "things".

Now, now, Dave. Isn't that a little harsh?

After all, stump stupid, irresponsible assholes
are people too.




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"Ivor Jones" wrote in message
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"Dave F" wrote in message


[snip]

I just read through this thread and the ignorance just
amazes me. Read the following and then do the right thing
and keep your cat indoors where it belongs.

Sigh.. PLEASE let's not start this argument again. Cats are not naturally
indoor animals. No animals are.

Ivor


To me, it depends on where you live, and the circumstances....I have known
many who lived in a big city, and who had perfectly fine indoor cats that
were happy and lived long, healthy lives. But in my case, I live on the edge
of town, and most of my cats found me, rather than my finding them. They
simply wandered in one day and liked the smell of my food, so they elected
to stay. It is neither my right, nor my desire to trap them inside my house.
They have the whole world to wander in, and I don't intend to restrict that
freedom. If they are cold and/or hungry, then I am there for them.
Otherwise, they can come and go as they please. For sure, I am not going to
restrict their activities because they might kill some bird or frog or any
other creature....I am not God. I didn't create this screwed-up world. All I
try to do is make it as easy as possible for the creatures I like. It's true
that I could make it easier for the birds if I didn't take care of cats. but
somewhere on the order of life, one has to stop caring. I could save
millions of bacteria by not walking on the sidewalk, too. So, we worry about
the creatures we like, and sacrifice those we don't care about. I could care
less for birds....I'm sorry, but they are too far down on the order of
things for me to worry about. That's just the way it is...... I might add
that society seems to agree with me. There is no law that restricts cats to
the property as it does dogs. Birds are considered by the society to be far
enough down on the order of things to not deserve that kind of
protection....If they are stupid enough to be caught by cats, then they
"deserve" to die, according to the law.

"cybercat" wrote in message
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"Ivor Jones" wrote in message
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"Dave F" wrote in message


[snip]

I just read through this thread and the ignorance just
amazes me. Read the following and then do the right thing
and keep your cat indoors where it belongs.

Sigh.. PLEASE let's not start this argument again. Cats are not naturally
indoor animals. No animals are.


They are domesticated, you flaming ****ing idiot, and belong indoors
now, unless you want them to have short miserable lives.

I had a bonehead friend who was as stupid as you are. She let her
cat outside in a busy city and never saw him again. I had no sympathy
for her, especially after the ignorant bitch said that she would rather
him
have a short lifespan and go outside than a long lifespan and stay in.

My indoor cats are so happy. Happy and fiesty and SAFE. They
sit in the screened windows and enjoy the birds and squirrels and
chipmunks and bugs and rabbits that would not be there if they
went out. They never try to get out. They have caught two mice
that came in, but they didn't eat them, why should they, cat food
is easier? So they didn't get any disease the mice happened to
carry.

It's 2007. It's not safe outside for ANYONE, but particularly
not for creatures with little cat brains.

Take your cats to a shelter. They are better off there.

What's boneheaded is to believe that everyone lives in the same place,
and/or under the same circumstances.....My cousin used to own half interest
in Souvereign Vineyards in Northern California...She had a huge grape
farm....She kept three or four huge Siamese cats that she didn't feed, so
they had to live off of the birds they could catch in the orchard. They were
lean and mean, but they still enjoyed human company, because they would rest
about 20 yards or so from the porch on my cousin's house when they weren't
hunting. The very idea that she could and/or would make these "indoor cats"
in ridiculous....They were working cats, and that's how they paid for their
keep....By killing birds, and keeping them off the grapes.
On the other hand, I had a girl friend who lived on a busy street corner
in San Francisco. She had two cats that never went outside. If they did,
they would probably have been run down in short order by the Geary Street
traffic.