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New Fancy Feast
Has anyone tried the new Fancy Feast "Elegant Medley" yet? There are
several flavors - but the are 89 cents for a small can!!! I bought one today and my boy liked it. |
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Buddy wrote:
Has anyone tried the new Fancy Feast "Elegant Medley" yet? There are several flavors - but the are 89 cents for a small can!!! I bought one today and my boy liked it. People really love McDonald's - loving food does not equate always with what's good on a daily basis. My own experience with Fancy Feast has been rather negative on the whole. Purina seems more intent on advertising ploys, fonts and what not, instead of making available exactly what is the analysis of the food inside. My main "beef" with them is the rather high to intolerably high phosphorus levels. This is akin to humans and McDonald's and the sky high fat and salt contents of those junk foods. I'm concerned that high phosphorus level may shorten the life of the cat in the long run. And may be why most cats die around 15 years of age and die of renal failure. I prefer moderate phosphorus levels of less than 0.80% on a dry matter basis. That is 0.80% not "as fed" or "guaranteed" but a "dry matter basis." Try getting that information out of Purina / Nestle who make Fancy Feasts. It's like pulling teeth and it's not updated so it's not really tracked that I can determine. In any case, out of the 60 varieties or so, there are only 2 that I would buy for my cat, Marinated Morsels, Chicken or Salmon, in Gravy. The other 58 types, give or take a few, they keep adding and subtracting, I consider expensive garbage. But ubiquitous garbage, like McDonald's. Clean garbage. Packaged prettily garbage but garbage for the most part, in my opinion. Any opinions? |
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My main "beef" with them is the rather high to intolerably high phosphorus levels. This is akin to humans and McDonald's and the sky high fat and salt contents of those junk foods. You seem to have this backwards from the many posts I have seen on this NG regarding dry matter analysis. Several flavors have very good phosphorous levels. Some flavors, I agree aren't that good, but some are excellent. However I do think the protein levels are little too high for my 16 year old. He's now on MediCal Reduced Protein (renal diet). -mhd |
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Now I am one that can vouch that fancy feast has made a difference in my
cat. My Rumble was diagnosed diabetic less than a month ago. I had to start giving him a shot of insulin twice a day. I changed him over to a diet of Fancy Feast as suggested by Phil and MaryL. Also they have the most varieties that have gravy and over all numbers had the closest for cards with the most variety of gravy products. The diet change brought Rumble down from a 437 glucose level to 215 in the first week than we did 2 glucose curve the lowest was 73 and the highest was 143. SO the diet change got him off the insulin shots and now he is a happy kitty. I did get all three varieties of the medley the turkey one interested Rumble the most but the other 2 variety of chicken ones he turned his nose up at but Ka'Shay are Hemingway kitten tore it up. But .89 cents for it I pay .40 a can for Fancy feast at Albertsons and the new variety was $.47; around here they carry the most variety. |
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Treeline I don't know your first name so I have to go by your display
MaryL gave me this link you may find it useful if you need a reference for levels in cat foods http://www.felinediabetes.com/cat_fo...ion_canned.htm This is how I made my final decision on using Fancy Feast for Rumble new diabetic diet wrote in message ups.com... wrote: " wrote: My main "beef" with them is the rather high to intolerably high phosphorus levels. This is akin to humans and McDonald's and the sky high fat and salt contents of those junk foods. You seem to have this backwards from the many posts I have seen on this NG regarding dry matter analysis. Several flavors have very good phosphorous levels. Some flavors, I agree aren't that good, but some are excellent. However I do think the protein levels are little too high for my 16 year old. He's now on MediCal Reduced Protein (renal diet). -mhd Would you care to explain? How do I have it backwards? Dry matter basis is the only way to compare foods across the board. Are you sure that you do not have it "backwards?" We always stress that dry matter basis is the only way to go. Do not go by As Fed and do not go by Guaranteed. If you do by As Fed, you convert to dry matter basis by dividing with the non-moisture content as a whole. This is easy to find because in the case of FF, it's usually 78% moisture, consequently, 22% non-moisture. And I'll stand behind what I said, of the 60 types of FF, only 2 meet my specifications. If you go by Phil P.'s recommendations, you can go up to 4 or 5. So it's not several as much as a very few, around 7% that are low in phosphorus. Of all the brands I see in the supermarkets, I find only 2 of these 4 or 5 at any one time, so the odds of picking up high phosphorus is too high. |
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PawsForThought wrote: wrote: My own experience with Fancy Feast has been rather negative on the whole. Purina seems more intent on advertising ploys, fonts and what not, instead of making available exactly what is the analysis of the food inside. Don't you think you're just a tad obsessed about this? Do you really believe the numbers you read are the actual numbers? Do you really trust these companies? If I were you, and so concerned with the exact content of a can of catfood, I would make your own. That way you know exactly what's in it. You could even send off a sample to have it analyzed to make sure you have the right proportions. I don't trust the companies, especially Purina / Nestle which is very difficult to get these numbers and the numbers do change as they change their products. It's not impossible but it takes me many months for them to finally fess up on all the products. About being obsessed? I am concerned about the cats and unfortunately tracking down facts is not a popular item in America, now is it? I seriously think the majority of cat foods are doing in the cats in the long. Having high phosphorus for a cat is like having high bad fats for a human. It gets you in the long run. My main "beef" with them is the rather high to intolerably high phosphorus levels. This is akin to humans and McDonald's and the sky high fat and salt contents of those junk foods. Now hasn't Phil P posted the particular FF flavors that are okay in the phos department? About 5 out of 60 and I have never seen those 5 at any one time in any supermarket. So that means 55 out of 60 are not okay. I'm concerned that high phosphorus level may shorten the life of the cat in the long run. And may be why most cats die around 15 years of age and die of renal failure. Phos levels are important, but so is the whole picture. You need to concentrate not only on phos, but all nutrients of a food, and that would include the ingredients and where they come from. Do they come from synthetic vitamins, or is the food naturally nutritious? Are the ingredients bioavailable to a carnivore? Do they promote health, etc.? Well, you get the picture. I prefer moderate phosphorus levels of less than 0.80% on a dry matter basis. That is 0.80% not "as fed" or "guaranteed" but a "dry matter basis." Try getting that information out of Purina / Nestle who make Fancy Feasts. It's like pulling teeth and it's not updated so it's not really tracked that I can determine. I've never had a problem getting the info from Purina and other companies shrug Okay, then post here the phosphorus levels that you are finding? It took me well over 3 months to get the phosphorus levels for their new Healthy Weight Management Formula. Those levels were twice what I had originally been told. You do have problems getting this info from Purina. Go ahead. Did I not have this discussion with you previously and challenged you to provide the phosphorus levels? I won't even go in to pH levels. Someone said the same thing you just did. I don't have trouble getting info... But I am not talking generic info like how much fats. I am talking info that is not on their web site and is not even on their VET web site which is appalling. I doubt very, very strongly that Purina puts all that much effort in producing the same phosphorus levels from month to month and batch to batch. I just don't think they care and the reason is that you don't care enough to bug them about it. So do something. Okay? I won't wish to appear "obsessive" so why don't you get them to be a little more upfront on what is exactly in their food? In the meantime, I will try gather the research about high phosphorus. http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm the above is a simple start on phosphorus and foods. It's not technical and just lists foods and a link for the update to this year. |
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Buddy wrote: I have fed my cats Fancy Feast exclusively for over 20 years. My last cat was 20 years and 3 months and never had any type of renal problems. My original question was in regard to the new Elegant Medely from Fancy Feast - not to go over all the numbers, etc. AGAIN! What numbers? Give me some numbers. There are no numbers to go over and I am not calling Purina and waiting three months as the last time for the phosphorus level of their Healthy Weight Management Forumla. I was in a focus group that discussed this before Purina ever dumped it on the market. You say your cat never had any problems in 20 years and fed exclusively Fancy Feast. Okay. How do I know that you do not work for Purina's Marketing Department? I am skeptical and I do not believe you. But if you have a few seconds, enlighten me. I am talking generally. I have seen a cat live over 21 years fed dry food garbage. Sure there exists exceptions. And they are the exceptions. |
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