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It seems ridiculous to me to choose a food (like Wellness) that you have to supplement. When a cat *won't* eat prescription food, or you don't want to feed your cat crap, then you need to find alternatives. Did you not notice the subject line? Megan "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray |
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wrote in message ... wrote: It seems ridiculous to me to choose a food (like Wellness) that you have to supplement. When a cat *won't* eat prescription food, or you don't want to feed your cat crap, then you need to find alternatives. Did you not notice the subject line? There are other foods, you flaming idiot. lol |
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wrote in message ... wrote: There are other foods Yes, we know that. Read the post again and take note of where I said "or you don't want to feed your cat crap." Then go read the labels on some of the prescription foods and look at some of the garbage they contain. Prescription foods are not the be all end all to treating a medical condition and there are always alternatives. Megan you are beginning to depress me. A discussion of other foods than Wellness would be helpful for all. If you must be stupid, can you please try to be a little less aggressively stupid? It is not necessary for you to feel you are the authority on all cat things. Or is it? This is a discussion forum. Wake up. |
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A discussion of other foods than Wellness would be helpful for all. If you bothered to do any research you would find that there is a wide variation in the urine ph different foods promote, and for this situation Wellness is one that works well and also is a high quality diet. I am not responsible for the fact that there just aren't that many good foods on the market. This is a discussion forum. Wake up. And here you are yet again complaining yet adding nothing of substance. If you actually stayed on topic you wouldn't have much to say. Megan "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray |
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wrote in message ... whined: A discussion of other foods than Wellness would be helpful for all. If you bothered to do any research you would find that there is a wide variation in the urine ph different foods promote, and for this situation Wellness is one that works well and also is a high quality diet. I am not responsible for the fact that there just aren't that many good foods on the market. Oh please. Wellness is not the only alternative to Hills prescription s/d. In fact, since you have to suppement it with a urine acidifier, in and of itself it isn't an alternative at all. This is a discussion forum. Wake up. And here you are yet again complaining yet adding nothing of substance. If you actually stayed on topic you wouldn't have much to say. I am always on topic. Do you think you can just SAY something and make it true? *shaking my head* I am interested in what others have to say about the topic of this thread. There must be others rather than one that requires additional medication in order to be effective. You are such a self-important chump, Megan. |
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Steve Crane wrote:
Very dangerous advice. Talk to your vet before doing anything. The suggestion to use any Wellness product with added urinary acidifiers is just plain dangerous. Urine pH is NOT the only issue here, it is much more complicated than that. Mr. Crane, could you please elaborate? My cat Barney is a 6 year old male who's blocked 3 times in the past. The only food he will eat is Hill's Turkey Canned and Hill's Liver and Chicken. I've also been using Methioform tablets to treat the Hill's food. Am I doing him harm? Thanks Karen |
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Feline Lower urinary tract disease is substantially more than just
urine pH. Magnesium levels, potassium levels, calcium levels, sodium levels and a number of biological factors must be taken into account. Pet foods designed for struvite dissolution or struvite maintenace almost always are subject to much more critical testing than just urine pH. Hill's prefers to use a system called APR - activity product ratio. You can google on this and learn more about it if your wish. Basically this tests ALL the factors involved, including biological and determines if a given nutrient profile will acheive the goal. Waltham / Royal Canin uses what they call the RSS - Risk Super Saturation - it's similar test process, but done in vitro. I am not sure what Purina does nor Eukanuba. Neither promote thier food for struvite dissolution, only for stuvite maintenace. They haven't ever published anything relative to the process they choose to use. Leo over in Europe uses RSS as well. Where ZUZU always goes wrong is she allows her undisguised hatred for Hill's to interfere with her logic. It's an emotional decision and not one established in any science or logical facts. Wellness has never published ANY testing of any kind to insure that struvite dissolution will ocurr with thier diet with added methioform or any other urinary acidifier. Wellness can't even tell you what the mean urine pH range will be of the various diets they produce and why on earth should they? - they are not in the business of creating theerapeutic diets. They create diets for healthy kitties. Like usual ZUZU likes to stick with third grade math level of analyzing diets - just the ingredients and never mind the nutrients. In the case of any animal with a disease condition that is patently dangerous in the extreme. Examples of this cat or that cat that "did well" are completely meaningless. We are talking about the general population of struvite dissolution cats here, not one single cat or even a dozen single cats. The peer reviewed published data covering Hill's and Royal Canin's dissoltuion products is huge - in contrast there isn't a single bit of published data to support Wellness and methioform tabs. Advice like that can send the cat back for another surgery and will ZUZU pay the bill for it? Not likely. As an interesting note to the whole discussion. You may know that since 1981 Calcium Oxalate stones have grown as a percentage of all stones in a cat. By 1995 CaOx stones overcame struvites as the most common stone. This trend began reversing itself in 2002 and now once again in 2004 there were more struvite stones found that CaOx stones. 1999 33% Struvite, 55% CaOx 2002 40% Struvite, 50% CaOx 2003 42% Struvite, 47% CaOx 2004 45% Struvite, 44% CaOx The missing percentage is taken up by urates, cystines, and assorted other unusual uroliths. |
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If it ain't broke don't fix it - that would be the first rule here. I
presume you are seeing your vet on a regular basis? Getting a urinalysis done occasionally? One of the issues around bladder stones and crystals is that the age of the cat has an impact. Cats from 1-6 years of age are more likely to be struvite formers, cats over age 7 are more likely to be CaOX formers - feeding methioform or other urinary acidifiers to a cat forming CaOx stones would be the wrong way to go. Persian, Himalayans, and Burmese are more likely to be CaOx formers as well. Let you veterinarian be your guide here, s/he has much more knowledge and more importantly knows _your_ cat as an individual. |
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