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Old November 8th 03, 02:36 AM
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Did you solve the problem with your two babies by having all of their
fingers surgically removed?


Actually we did. They can't play the piano, though, so we're trying
to develop their psychic skills.
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Old November 8th 03, 05:45 PM
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"J1Boss" wrote in message
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Kaeli wrote:
Ouch! What DOES this really say though? That cats are stoic? Or

that they
block out pain easily (i.e. - therefore not feel pain from something

we would
think to be incredibly painful)? I'm willing to buy either

explanation BTW!

I always heard that if they show weakness or illness in the wild (i.e.
before they were domesticated) they get eaten, so it is programmed in.






  #245  
Old November 8th 03, 05:45 PM
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"J1Boss" wrote in message
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Kaeli wrote:
Ouch! What DOES this really say though? That cats are stoic? Or

that they
block out pain easily (i.e. - therefore not feel pain from something

we would
think to be incredibly painful)? I'm willing to buy either

explanation BTW!

I always heard that if they show weakness or illness in the wild (i.e.
before they were domesticated) they get eaten, so it is programmed in.






  #246  
Old November 10th 03, 05:12 PM
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In article ,
enlightened us with...

Ouch! What DOES this really say though? That cats are stoic?


Yes.
Most animals deplore showing pain, because in the wild, this is a
weakness and they would be attacked.

Or that they
block out pain easily (i.e. - therefore not feel pain from something we would
think to be incredibly painful)?


I would doubt this, as if it were true, they wouldn't develop behavior
problems from excessive pain, such as how some cats won't use the
litterbox after a declaw. Also, some cats will not seem to be in pain to
us, but small signs show that they indeed are - such as hiding in small
places, not eating as much, or not drinking. Or they just seem a little
"off".
Some humans are very good at dealing with pain, but that doesn't mean
they don't feel it. My father's mother can go to the dentist and have
work done with no novacaine at all, but she does feel the pain. She is
just more afraid of the novacaine than the pain.

I'm willing to buy either explanation BTW!
;-D And wouldn't declaw again for the very reason that pain MAY be a very big
issue and that's just not nice (I've done those effusive apologies about
accidents as well - how come the cats don't acknowledge our groveling
adequately? ;-D).


LOL
Actually, the morality of it is my biggest reason for being so anti-
declaw. Most cats don't have complications or problems from the research
I've seen, but I don't believe it is okay to take the chance nor do I
think amputation is an okay thing even if there were never any problems
at all in any cats. I am also against tail docking and ear cropping.

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thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
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  #247  
Old November 10th 03, 05:12 PM
kaeli
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In article ,
enlightened us with...

Ouch! What DOES this really say though? That cats are stoic?


Yes.
Most animals deplore showing pain, because in the wild, this is a
weakness and they would be attacked.

Or that they
block out pain easily (i.e. - therefore not feel pain from something we would
think to be incredibly painful)?


I would doubt this, as if it were true, they wouldn't develop behavior
problems from excessive pain, such as how some cats won't use the
litterbox after a declaw. Also, some cats will not seem to be in pain to
us, but small signs show that they indeed are - such as hiding in small
places, not eating as much, or not drinking. Or they just seem a little
"off".
Some humans are very good at dealing with pain, but that doesn't mean
they don't feel it. My father's mother can go to the dentist and have
work done with no novacaine at all, but she does feel the pain. She is
just more afraid of the novacaine than the pain.

I'm willing to buy either explanation BTW!
;-D And wouldn't declaw again for the very reason that pain MAY be a very big
issue and that's just not nice (I've done those effusive apologies about
accidents as well - how come the cats don't acknowledge our groveling
adequately? ;-D).


LOL
Actually, the morality of it is my biggest reason for being so anti-
declaw. Most cats don't have complications or problems from the research
I've seen, but I don't believe it is okay to take the chance nor do I
think amputation is an okay thing even if there were never any problems
at all in any cats. I am also against tail docking and ear cropping.

-------------------------------------------------
~kaeli~
Jesus saves, Allah protects, and Cthulhu
thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace
-------------------------------------------------
  #248  
Old November 10th 03, 05:12 PM
kaeli
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In article ,
enlightened us with...

Ouch! What DOES this really say though? That cats are stoic?


Yes.
Most animals deplore showing pain, because in the wild, this is a
weakness and they would be attacked.

Or that they
block out pain easily (i.e. - therefore not feel pain from something we would
think to be incredibly painful)?


I would doubt this, as if it were true, they wouldn't develop behavior
problems from excessive pain, such as how some cats won't use the
litterbox after a declaw. Also, some cats will not seem to be in pain to
us, but small signs show that they indeed are - such as hiding in small
places, not eating as much, or not drinking. Or they just seem a little
"off".
Some humans are very good at dealing with pain, but that doesn't mean
they don't feel it. My father's mother can go to the dentist and have
work done with no novacaine at all, but she does feel the pain. She is
just more afraid of the novacaine than the pain.

I'm willing to buy either explanation BTW!
;-D And wouldn't declaw again for the very reason that pain MAY be a very big
issue and that's just not nice (I've done those effusive apologies about
accidents as well - how come the cats don't acknowledge our groveling
adequately? ;-D).


LOL
Actually, the morality of it is my biggest reason for being so anti-
declaw. Most cats don't have complications or problems from the research
I've seen, but I don't believe it is okay to take the chance nor do I
think amputation is an okay thing even if there were never any problems
at all in any cats. I am also against tail docking and ear cropping.

-------------------------------------------------
~kaeli~
Jesus saves, Allah protects, and Cthulhu
thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace
-------------------------------------------------
 




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