I captured the Tomcat

bigbadbarry wrote:
Philip wrote:
Can you find me a statistic showing the national average
cat population has decreased in size over the past twenty years? It
like the war on drugs.


Yeah, but Bob Barker says! have your pet spayed or neutered.

Now that's a defeatest attitude, that's like saying, why wipe your ass
after going to the bathroom, your just going to mess it up again

Your cat doesn't wipe is butt... ;-)

or why make your bed

Ever have teenagers?

or why delete temporary internet files

Done automatically.

yes...we should spay and neuter...

That is not the point. IT's the timing. I'm am not convinced castration
and hysterectomy is appropriate the week a kitten stops suckling its mother
or weighs 1.5 to 2 pounds is always without consequence.

Elle wrote:
"Philip" wrote
snip
Early kitten neutering is good for slowing the
population growth rate if not diminishing the population

Which diminishes vets' income.

No. These sterilized cats still get $ick, need $hots, get cancer$,
eat $pecial foods, etc. Can you find me a statistic showing the
national average cat population has decreased in size over the past
twenty years? It like the war on drugs.

Philip, try to reason through the points you are making. You're the
one who says above that early neutering is good for slowing
population growth rate. I presume you think that's a good thing. Then
you seem to recant the point above.

Ok, here's a string of popcorn to follow. The cats you sterilize are still
in existence. Sterilization is not abortion. Sterilization gets more cats
into the veterinary "$ystem" and the owners need to be educated in a way
that makes them feel obligated to spend money on feline maintenance, to say
nothing of upselling lots of services (ie, $400 dental cleanings and $250
vaccination packages) that are not usually needed for indoor only cats or
"only" cats living exclusively indoors. From the industry perspective,
people need to be educated to feel guilty about resisting all this
"upselling." Pet maintenance is a money maker. Work those profit centers.
Customer beware.

snip
Because you don't want to hear it. Vets win, drug co's win ... at pet
owners' expense.

I have already agreed with this point, in general terms, Philip. Get
back to my original query. I do not agree that everything vets do and
every drug available is bad.

I don't know who you are disagreeing with. You will search far and wide and
never find a statement from me saying "everything vets do and every drug
available is bad." That would be an inference of your own making and quite
inaccurate. I am addressing some flagrant excesses I have witnessed over the
years.

Philip wrote:

That is not the point. IT's the timing. I'm am not convinced castration
and hysterectomy is appropriate the week a kitten stops suckling its mother
or weighs 1.5 to 2 pounds is always without consequence.

I understand.

I would think at least wait a good bit after nursing, but prior to
becoming potent...what age would that be roughly, just inside a year?

Philip wrote:
bigbadbarry wrote:

John Ross Mc Master wrote:

There is a tomcat who was fighting my Cinder every time I let her
into our backyard. The group consensus was to trap the tomcat and
have him neutered.

Here's the story to date. Read the diary.
http://www.catster.com/pet_page.php?j=t&i=140147

I'm aware of the cat overpopulation problem but I still feel guilty
about this. I feel really bad. If he has an owner, the owner will
have 4 days to reclaim him before the neutering. All he has to do is
phone the Humane Society. But somehow I feel guilty about this. I
don't own the cat and I'm cutting its balls off.

Are you quitting on me?! Well, are you?! Then quit, you slimy #$^$#$#
walrus-looking piece of #$$%! Get the @$^$#$%$ off of this group! Get
the #@$#$%$ down off of this group! Now! Move it! I'm going to rip
your balls off, so you cannot contaminate the rest of the world! I
will motivate you, Private John!, if it short-dicks every cannibal on
the Congo!


What are you saying, Barry?


It's dialogue from Kubricks' "Full Metal Jacket", adapted by Barry.
It's a joke, kinda.

I bet Barry could suck a golf ball through a garden hose.


Forget the guilt. Snip the Tom. Live life with less stress.


Haha.. short-dicks every cannibal on the Congo.. haha.. quite
appropriate.



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"Scott Davis" wrote in message
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Philip wrote:
bigbadbarry wrote:

John Ross Mc Master wrote:

There is a tomcat who was fighting my Cinder every time I let her
into our backyard. The group consensus was to trap the tomcat and
have him neutered.

Here's the story to date. Read the diary.
http://www.catster.com/pet_page.php?j=t&i=140147

I'm aware of the cat overpopulation problem but I still feel guilty
about this. I feel really bad. If he has an owner, the owner will
have 4 days to reclaim him before the neutering. All he has to do is
phone the Humane Society. But somehow I feel guilty about this. I
don't own the cat and I'm cutting its balls off.

Are you quitting on me?! Well, are you?! Then quit, you slimy #$^$#$#
walrus-looking piece of #$$%! Get the @$^$#$%$ off of this group! Get
the #@$#$%$ down off of this group! Now! Move it! I'm going to rip
your balls off, so you cannot contaminate the rest of the world! I
will motivate you, Private John!, if it short-dicks every cannibal on
the Congo!


What are you saying, Barry?


It's dialogue from Kubricks' "Full Metal Jacket", adapted by Barry.
It's a joke, kinda.

I bet Barry could suck a golf ball through a garden hose.


What the hell do you mean by this? Scott?

Scott Davis wrote:


Haha.. short-dicks every cannibal on the Congo.. haha.. quite
appropriate.


Nice try Brian.

Soooo, hows the lace on the underwear coming.

bigbadbarry wrote:
Philip wrote:

That is not the point. IT's the timing. I'm am not convinced
castration and hysterectomy is appropriate the week a kitten stops
suckling its mother or weighs 1.5 to 2 pounds is always without
consequence.

I understand.

I would think at least wait a good bit after nursing, but prior to
becoming potent...what age would that be roughly, just inside a year?

THANK YOU ... for sparing me the politically correct lecture about wee
kitten castration and hysterectomy. I know the level of care my cats have
always been subject to. I've owned cats for longer than several of these
self righteous women have been walking this earth. I don't flatter myself
with knowing it all ... which is the reason I stopped by this forum (which
deserves the subtitle Catfight Corner) in the first place. I won't be
preached at or browbeaten by trendy, politically correct practices nor
unabashed upselling veterinary services that are an affront to my senses and
experiences.

I won't perform castration on a male before six months ever again and in
fact, will wait for that first sign of mating drive to do a castration.
Hysterectomy ... that's another matter of gauging when the female is
"warming up." I pay that much attention to my pets .... I cannot speak for
any other people.

Philip wrote:

I won't perform castration on a male before six months ever again and in
fact, will wait for that first sign of mating drive to do a castration.
Hysterectomy ... that's another matter of gauging when the female is
"warming up." I pay that much attention to my pets .... I cannot speak for
any other people.

I'm just making this up, I may have known this before I dont know...

It seems to me that certain chemicals that a body needs when it is
maturing are produced in the nuts. Natural steroids, or something.
Hormones..

On 2005-05-27, Rhonda penned:
Hello John,

Human guys have a tough time having a male cat neutered, I've
noticed. They seem to take it personally and humanize it. Female
women don't do the same when they have female cats spayed.

Speak for yerself. I had deep misgivings about getting Oscar spayed,
but I decided that her discomfort and yes, pain, was a lesser evil
than even the slightest chance of having more unwanted kittens around.

That doesn't mean that I felt great about having someone dig around in
her belly to remove her ovaries and uterus.

--
monique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully

pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca

On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 18:56:51 -0600, "Monique Y. Mudama"
wrote:

On 2005-05-27, Rhonda penned:
Hello John,

Human guys have a tough time having a male cat neutered, I've
noticed. They seem to take it personally and humanize it. Female
women don't do the same when they have female cats spayed.

Speak for yerself. I had deep misgivings about getting Oscar spayed,
but I decided that her discomfort and yes, pain, was a lesser evil
than even the slightest chance of having more unwanted kittens around.

That doesn't mean that I felt great about having someone dig around in
her belly to remove her ovaries and uterus.


The neutered tomcat got returned to me. I'll post a picture to the
animals pictures group