Shelters

"Alan" wrote in message
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"Phil P." wrote in message
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"Alan" wrote in message
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Shelters are much like prisons:

Another moron.


Sorry Phil... despite the undeserved insult (we don't even know each other
and maybe it is best), I still maintain the parallel is obvoius.

Perhaps you'd feel differently if you saw the condition of many cats before
they enter a shelter - especially the cats that are hit by cars or mauled by
dogs or humans and languish in pain for days or weeks.

"bigbadbarry" wrote in message
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Mary wrote:

Oh, cool. Now you have had a taste of Cheryl Logic.

lol

Rub it in Mary
My head is so thick when am I going to learn.

You said one day, there are enemy's worthy of our weapons.

I like that.


Kenneth Patchen. "The Hunted City II."

Mary wrote:

Barry, you know very well that you frequently post without thinking
through the implications of your words. Hence "crazy pills." If you
are going to do that, you may expect strong reactions at times.

No, I knew what I said when I said it.
I meant to say it.
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I don't have to qualify myself to anyone to use the word crazy pill,
it's only offensive...to someone looking to pick a fight.

I realize that by the very nature of the things that go on in shelters,
I can see someone who works there defending it..but thing is...

I said in my 1st post. I said: Can these viruses be passed to humans?

If you read my post line by line, why it almost looks like a FAQ
brochure you might find at a shelter.
It was a golden oppurtunity for someone like Phil to dispel
mis-beliefs...instead

he actually, creates a smoke screen, whereas if I was wanting to get a
cat from a shelter, now after
his first response, I would think he is hiding something. (so now...he
is actually doing just the opposite of what he was trying to do)

Not one time did I say one bad thing about a shelter.

The truth is..it could have and should have been a catalyst to dispell
common misunderstanding about them (I mean if anything!)

My post was like a gun, like some of my others what people choose to do
with it is their business.

And the thing is, if he setup and ran every shelter on Gods green
earth, it does not give him a carte blanche to be abusive. No matter
how much knowledge he has about cats and medicine...If he was a CAT
god. My comments were general, they we're designed to envoke
converstation surrounding a topic I was interested in. Thats all.

If someone came in, during our ****ing match, sure, they could easily
see and "go with" Phil's fear, but that's just it. Phil read my post,
and in his answer, he re-defined my post. This was the first mistake.
He let fear rule his mind. But let's be real, Phil was not fearful. He
needed to re-define my post, else he may have no other oppurtunity
tonight to vent. Cause that's all he did, he had ZERO interest in
educating anyone about cats or shelters..not until he had done pretty
much exhausted himself..what about 2 hours venting? He was hostile! dam

Donating time to shelters, and knowing plenty about cats, is no excuse
to be rude, no more than it would give an attorney the right to resist
arrest.

"bigbadbarry" wrote in message
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Mary wrote:

Barry, you know very well that you frequently post without thinking
through the implications of your words. Hence "crazy pills." If you
are going to do that, you may expect strong reactions at times.

No, I knew what I said when I said it.
I meant to say it.
-------------
I don't have to qualify myself to anyone to use the word crazy pill,
it's only offensive...to someone looking to pick a fight.

I realize that by the very nature of the things that go on in shelters,
I can see someone who works there defending it..but thing is...


I said in my 1st post. I said: Can these viruses be passed to humans?

Your first post said *nothing* about viruses being passed to humans. And
that's the post I commented on. Don't you even know what you write? LOL!



If you read my post line by line, why it almost looks like a FAQ
brochure you might find at a shelter.

You're not only a moron, you're delusional! Here's your post, line by line:

bigbadbarry" wrote in message


"What is going on with all I'm hearing about shelters.
Maybe it's like a hospitol the germs end up drug resistant?
Sick cats coming out of them, and so on.

Seems like they could just evacuate the place (if it was possible)
Fumagate it and then put all the inmates back in. (sounds simple, but I
guess if they are full it could be hard to do)."

Nothing remotely close to a shelter's FAQ-


It was a golden oppurtunity for someone like Phil to dispel
mis-beliefs...instead

he actually, creates a smoke screen, whereas if I was wanting to get a
cat from a shelter, now after
his first response, I would think he is hiding something. (so now...he
is actually doing just the opposite of what he was trying to do)

Not one time did I say one bad thing about a shelter.


Bull****. You don't even know what you're saying when you type! This is
exactly what you said:

"What is going on with all I'm hearing about shelters.
Maybe it's like a hospitol the germs end up drug resistant?
Sick cats coming out of them, and so on."

Sounds bad to me.



The truth is..it could have and should have been a catalyst to dispell
common misunderstanding about them (I mean if anything!)

My post was like a gun, like some of my others what people choose to do
with it is their business.




And the thing is, if he setup and ran every shelter on Gods green
earth, it does not give him a carte blanche to be abusive. No matter
how much knowledge he has about cats and medicine...If he was a CAT
god. My comments were general, they we're designed to envoke
converstation surrounding a topic I was interested in. Thats all.

If someone came in, during our ****ing match, sure, they could easily
see and "go with" Phil's fear, but that's just it. Phil read my post,
and in his answer, he re-defined my post. This was the first mistake.
He let fear rule his mind. But let's be real, Phil was not fearful. He
needed to re-define my post, else he may have no other oppurtunity
tonight to vent. Cause that's all he did, he had ZERO interest in
educating anyone about cats or shelters..not until he had done pretty
much exhausted himself..what about 2 hours venting? He was hostile! dam

Donating time to shelters, and knowing plenty about cats, is no excuse
to be rude, no more than it would give an attorney the right to resist
arrest.


Wow! Did you conjure up that entire delusion all by yourself? LOL! I'll
say one thing for you- you sure have an imagination! You sure gave me a good
laugh!

Phil P. wrote:

Like I say, my post looks like a FAQ you might find at a shelter.
How you use it is a house of another color.

I replied to this an hour ago; it won't show up untill I post another.

bigbadbarry wrote:
I replied to this an hour ago; it won't show up untill I post another.

This thread sure has a provocative title!

bigbadbarry wrote:
(...)

42.5 percent of pets that entered animal shelters were submitted by
animal control authorities and nearly
30 percent were surrendered by their owners.
The remainder were relinquished by other sources.
The Humane Society of the United States

Well, I think the point others are getting at elswhere in this thread
is: if you think about the statistics you posted, you'll see that
probably far more than 14% of cats had an animal shelter involved in
their adoption somewhere along the way.

48% of people get their pets as strays or from friends or 'animal
rescuers'. Well, 'animal rescuers' is not defined (in your post) and
could well include shelters - depends on the definition of 'animal
rescuers'. E.g., are private shelters 'animal rescuers', do the animal
rescuers get the cats the rescue from 'official' shelters, and so on.

Also, 38% get their cats from breeders or pet stores. Well, many
(most?) pet store cats are, in fact, placements from animal shelters.
Again, you do not say from where these pet store animals were sourced.

You also do not say how the HS derived its stats - might consider
giving a link to where you found the stats...

So, at the moment all I think we can say, based on your post, is that
between 14% and 100% of cats are adopted from shelters...!

Steve.

"Philip" wrote in message
k.net...
bigbadbarry wrote:
I replied to this an hour ago; it won't show up untill I post another.

This thread sure has a provocative title!


Philip has ISyooos, people, I'm telling you.

However, he is damned near charming when he discusses Conan. Happily, even
flaming jerks have a shot at heaven if they adopt a shelter cat. Way to go,
Philip!

Steve G wrote:
bigbadbarry wrote:
(...)

42.5 percent of pets that entered animal shelters were submitted by
animal control authorities and nearly
30 percent were surrendered by their owners.
The remainder were relinquished by other sources.
The Humane Society of the United States

Well, I think the point others are getting at elswhere in this thread
is: if you think about the statistics you posted, you'll see that
probably far more than 14% of cats had an animal shelter involved in
their adoption somewhere along the way.

48% of people get their pets as strays or from friends or 'animal
rescuers'. Well, 'animal rescuers' is not defined (in your post) and
could well include shelters - depends on the definition of 'animal
rescuers'. E.g., are private shelters 'animal rescuers', do the animal
rescuers get the cats the rescue from 'official' shelters, and so on.

Also, 38% get their cats from breeders or pet stores. Well, many
(most?) pet store cats are, in fact, placements from animal shelters.
Again, you do not say from where these pet store animals were sourced.

You also do not say how the HS derived its stats - might consider
giving a link to where you found the stats...

So, at the moment all I think I can say, based on your post, is that
between 14% and 100% of cats are adopted from shelters...!

Steve.

Barry sourced his stats from "The Humane Society of the United States."
You Steve, did not source your stats for us.