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"Cathy Friedmann" wrote
All these people have stated that this industry is regulated. Where is the proof? Show me one document that gives any indication that ingredients in pet foods are regulated. One idiot stated that the USDA/FSIS regulated the ingredients used in pet foods. WRONG! they have no input at all. The FDA/CVM oversees any drugs that are used in pet foods and the labeling text. NOTHING ELSE. The AAFCO sets guidelines and it is up to each state to adopt these guidlines. Very few states actually do and if they do this group, comprised of many from the pet food industry, has no input at all into the ingredients used. If you follow the AAFCO guidlelines, as I have pointed out in a previous post, the foods can contain such things as "hydrolyzed hair," dehydrated garbage," "dehydrated food waste," "dried ruminant waste," "dried swine waste," "undried processed animal waste products,". NOW WOULD YOU PLEASE PROVIDE SOME DOCUMENTATION AS TO WHO REGULATES THE INGREDIENTS THAT ARE IN COMMERCIAL FOOD. THE PET FOOD COMPANIES, THAT'S WHO REGULATES THIS INDUSTRY. snipped As I've said before, I don't have the time to spend with people like you and won't bother wasting anymore time with your posts. Others on the list know that I am more then happy to provide any documented information they require. Ann Small, nit-picky correction: this is a news group, not a list. Thanks Cathy, I'll remember that in the future. And, it's considered to be impolite to use caps for entire words/sentences in ngs - it's = shouting. Cathy, if I were speaking directly to these people I would be shouting as they can't seem to comprehend anything I have said. There will be no more shouting as I will not be responding to these people again. Ann |
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From: pam (Mary)
NOW WOULD YOU PLEASE PROVIDE SOME DOCUMENTATION AS TO WHO REGULATES THE INGREDIENTS THAT ARE IN COMMERCIAL FOOD http://www.fda.gov/cvm/index/consumer/petfoodflier.html "The Act does require that pet foods, like human foods, be pure and wholesome, contain no harmful or deleterious substances, and be truthfully labeled." That's about it. Yeah, that's about it. But I see nothing about pet food be regulated at all. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm |
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From: (Ann Martin)
The pet food industry states that home prepared diets are not complete and balanced and that we are basically killing our pets if we don't feed commercial pet foods. I know hundreds of pets that are now eating a homemade diet and doing extremely well including my three cats and dog. My cats are also on a homemade diet and thriving on it. I am on a list of over 950 people who feed homemade diets, and these animals are doing great on them. I don't think all commercial pet food is bad, but I do think a person really can never know what's in it. I personally like the feeling that I know exactly what goes into my pets' food. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm |
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From: (Ann Martin)
The pet food industry states that home prepared diets are not complete and balanced and that we are basically killing our pets if we don't feed commercial pet foods. I know hundreds of pets that are now eating a homemade diet and doing extremely well including my three cats and dog. My cats are also on a homemade diet and thriving on it. I am on a list of over 950 people who feed homemade diets, and these animals are doing great on them. I don't think all commercial pet food is bad, but I do think a person really can never know what's in it. I personally like the feeling that I know exactly what goes into my pets' food. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm |
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Ann Martin wrote:
As I've said before, I don't have the time to spend with people like you and won't bother wasting anymore time with your posts. Others on the list know that I am more then happy to provide any documented information they require. Ok, here is my question to you... I have a 2 1/2 year old female Ragdoll that weights somewhere between 16 - 17 pounds which is considered normal for her breed. No behavior or health problems whatsoever. A very sweet loving cat. Current food is 75% California Natural dry + 25% Science Diet Nature's Best dry. I cannot get Calfornia Natural locally, current supply comes from where I used to live. I can get Science Diet. I've given her a good try on various canned brands... as much as she loves the food her digestive system cannot handle it. Runny stools and occasional vomiting that disappears once back on dry. Yes, I attempted the switch gradually and spent weeks being patient with it. I finally called a halt to it when one evening she made a mess of her rear after a visit to the litter box... she was trying to clean herself up and looked at me with a quiet little meow as though to say "help me". So, based on this I've decided canned is out. Science Diet is the best food I can find in this northern community and is only available through the vets. The only other foods are available through Walmart and the grocery stores... and well you know the quality there. Recommendations? -- "Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck |
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Ann Martin wrote:
As I've said before, I don't have the time to spend with people like you and won't bother wasting anymore time with your posts. Others on the list know that I am more then happy to provide any documented information they require. Ok, here is my question to you... I have a 2 1/2 year old female Ragdoll that weights somewhere between 16 - 17 pounds which is considered normal for her breed. No behavior or health problems whatsoever. A very sweet loving cat. Current food is 75% California Natural dry + 25% Science Diet Nature's Best dry. I cannot get Calfornia Natural locally, current supply comes from where I used to live. I can get Science Diet. I've given her a good try on various canned brands... as much as she loves the food her digestive system cannot handle it. Runny stools and occasional vomiting that disappears once back on dry. Yes, I attempted the switch gradually and spent weeks being patient with it. I finally called a halt to it when one evening she made a mess of her rear after a visit to the litter box... she was trying to clean herself up and looked at me with a quiet little meow as though to say "help me". So, based on this I've decided canned is out. Science Diet is the best food I can find in this northern community and is only available through the vets. The only other foods are available through Walmart and the grocery stores... and well you know the quality there. Recommendations? -- "Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck |
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"Ann Martin" wrote in message om... Someone also stated that the AAFCO, classifed livestock and pet food in different catagories. Dr. David Dzanis, formerly a veterinary medical officer with the CVM, made it clear in a letter that ALL AAFCO 'ingredient definitions' applied to both livestock and pet food. Did you misrepresent others' statements in your book to suit your agenda, also? What I actually said was: "Because an ingredient has the same description, that doesn't mean that ingredient can be used in either food!" Followed by the AAFCO regulation: "9. ANIMAL PRODUCTS . Official *Use of this ingredient, from mammalian origins, is restricted to non-ruminant feeds unless specifically exempted by 21 CFR 589.2000." IOW, Martin the Manipulator, some of the ingredients used in food for ruminants cannot be used in cat food. Cats are non-ruminant animals - I doubt you knew that... I said nothing about different definitions for the same ingredients used in feed for livestock and food for cats. *You* conjured up that misrepresentation all by yourself...I wonder how many misrepresentations you conjured up in your book for effect..... I wouldn't believe your so-called documentation unless it was notarized and witnessed by a priest... and a rabbi... and a minister... and a monk... All your hyperbole and sensationalism can't change the fact that cats are living longer today than they've ever lived before - and the overwhelmingly vast majority eat *commercial cat food* their entire lives... which is usually into their late teens and even early twenties. As I said before, if 1/10 of the "danger" you sensationalize to sell books was *real* or *true*, the vast majority of cats that eat commercial cat food would be dropping like flies at young ages instead of living longer... into their late teens and even into their early twenties. *Reality* debunks your scaremongering... you should try opening your eyes to it... But then you wouldn't sell many books, now would you? |
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