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Animals do not "anticipate"
****wit David Harrison, ignorant lying cracker, lied:
On 27 Apr 2006 Leif Erikson wrote: ****wit David Harrison, ignorant lying cracker, lied: On 27 Apr 2006 Leif Erikson wrote: ****wit, another thing you don't seem to realize is, the more human attributes you attempt to apply to animals, the stronger you make the "ar" case. Understanding animal emotions is just a part of learning Leif You are imagining animals to have emotions they don't have List which emotions animals are and are not capable of, Leif. List the ones you foolishly they they are capable of, ****wit. |
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Animals do not "anticipate"
****wit David Harrison, ignorant lying cracker, lied:
On 27 Apr 2006 Leif Erikson wrote: ****wit David Harrison, ignorant lying cracker, lied: On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 Leif Erikson wrote: ****wit David Harrison, ignorant lying cracker, lied: What do you think *really* causes it, Leif? I don't know what "it" you're talking about, ****wit. Anyone who reads any of this can quickly figure out that you have no idea what we're talking about, Leif. No, that's clearly false, ****wit. There are lots of possible "its", ****wit - which one do you mean? [...] I had a dog for a number of years. If I said: "Do you want to go for a walk." he became very excited, anticipating going for a walk since I didn't say anything about it if we weren't going to go. ****wit: the dog was exhibiting what is called "conditioned response". Very good Goo, and we call this particular conditioned response "anticipation". No, ****wit. The *agitation* is the response, and agitation is not "anticipation"; It's one of the results of anticipation Leif. No. it's agitation. LOL...yes Leif, No, ****wit. It's not anticipation. agitation is a product of anticipation. Not in dogs, nor in any other non-human animals. YOU are the one who "thinks", wrongly of course, that the agitation is "caused" by "anticipation". That's wrong. LOL!!! Then what do you think caused it, Leif? The signal, ****wit. He would not remember. He remembered No. |
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Animals do not "anticipate"
dh@. wrote:
On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 13:40:36 GMT, Jack Crenshaw wrote: dh@. pointed out: He's been exposed to it, but can't comprehend. And most amusingly he considers himself to be very intelligent, hence his title as Goobernicus: the moron who thinks he's a genius. That's our Goo :-) Wait a minute ... is this about AR? Well, it began about the stupidity of Goobernicus and what he wants people to believe for some unexplainable reason(s), but.... If so, a plague on both your houses. And likewise, thanks. I have been here before, and encountered the AR and anti-AR types before. IMO the only behavior more offensive and more hateful than that of the AR, PETA types, snip carefully compiled but utterly irrelevant list -- compiled by someone else, no doubt -- of reasons why he's right and his opponents are wrong So far I believe you're being extremely dishonest. But! If you can show some example(s) of anti-"aras" engaging in "behavior more offensive and more hateful than that of the AR, PETA types", then we'll see that you're not being dishonest. But again!!! When you can't, we will have learned that for some unexplained reason you are being dishonest. Do you want to explain why, or must we try to guess? Never thought I'd catch myself saying that there are people more stupid and hateful than PETA, but there you are. Let's you educate us then. To begin with why don't you start by explaining which rights you believe "aras" would provide for which animals if any, and why we should believe you/them, if you can. You don't understand. This is personal. The next decision I have to make is whether I give a rat's ass whether you get "educated" or not. Let me see .. Nope, I don't. _BUT_ I will offer an explanation to the other folks reading this, with the understanding that this is no invitation to debate. This reply is the end of the conversation, with you or anyone else. Once upon a time, in Tampa, FL, there lived a highly respected veterinarian. Unusually for a city of that size, this vet was the only licensed wildlife rehabber in the area. He got funding from the county to rehab and release all wildlife brought to him. Everything seemed to go well until, one day, the thought dawned on him that the more animals in his care who died prematurely, the more of the money he got to pocket. I learned about all this from people in his office; the salaried assistants and volunteer rehabbers who cared for the animals he was _SUPPOSED_ to be trying to save. They told me that he would give orders not to feed or care for the wildlife, only the paying poodles and tabbies. He would say, "When I get to work tomorrow, I don't expect to see this animal still here." The assistants found themselves doing things like deliberately _KILLING_ animals that otherwise could have been saved. In the best-case scenario, the animals would die of starvation or untreated infection. In the worst case, they had to actively drown or otherwise kill them. No euthenasia for these guys; gas costs money. Most of the salaried assistants went along with the order; after all, their jobs were at stake. Some didn't. Most of the volunteers didn't. They formed a sort of underground railroad, smuggling the animals out of his reach, and into the hands of other folks willing to actually take care of the creatures in their care. That's how I learned what was going on. Now, though I knew how to take care of orphaned or injured animals (including the feathered kind), I didn't know much about the laws concerning animal rehabbers, rehab licenses, etc. Like an idiot, I came to this very newsgroup (r.a.w) and asked how I could best handle the situation. My goal was not to discredit the vet, or stop the flow of money to him; it was simply to save lives that deserved to be longer. I got several replies from people _PRETENDING_ to offer advice and help. Turns out, they were anti-AR types, and they were not interested in helping at all. While offering me solicitous and seemingly genuine advice, what they really wanted to do was to make sure the animals continued to die. They would do things like offer to write letters, make calls, etc., when in fact they were doing their best to thwart my efforts to save the wildlife. One of these "support" people went so far as to call the vet and tell him what I was trying to do. The vet immediately fired those assistants who were trying to help, and ordered the volunteers off his property. One of the people on this web site, pretending to be ever so helpful, found out the person in Florida Fish and Wildlife who could be the most helpful. He gave me the officer's name and phone number, but somehow forgot to mention that he'd already called the officer, and told him of this madman who was seeking to discredit a totally innocent vet. By the time I called the officer in question, he was totally unwilling to help. His exact words were, "You guys seem to have a battle going, and I'm not getting in the middle of it." And that's where my crusade ended. Animals who had no ax to grind on either side of the AR debate, continued to die unnecessarily. Now, it's one thing to want to save animals being hurt for no reason except greed. I can understand the motives of the PETA folks, while I am completely outraged by their methods and acts. Nobody is a more vociferous enemy of those who would harm people's property or their bodies, under the guise of "saving the whales." But I can't even _BEGIN_ to understand the mentality of people who are so irrationally opposed to PETA and the other AR groups, that they see the death of innocent orphaned and injured animals as a victory. The wild animals in question weren't soldiers in the AR/anti-AR war. They were "collateral damage." Opposing PETA is one thing. Actively helping to kill innocent wildlife is quite another. Because of the actions of the "brave" anti-AR people in this very newsgroup, many thousands more seabirds, songbirds, squirrels, raccoons, opossums, and the like -- often, members of endangered species -- died. These animals weren't part of any medical experiments; they weren't involved in efforts to cure cancer or develop the latest brand of lipstick. They weren't animals in a barnyard or slaugtherhouse. Their only offense was to have the temerity to be orphaned or injured within the sphere of influence of a greedy and utterly heartless man. There is no list of grievances you can show me -- no amount of justification for your position -- that can redeem you from such hateful and inhuman behavior. You, sir, are part of the Culture of Death. You have allowed whatever sense of decency you might have once had, to be so corrupted that you see a dead eagle as a victory for your side. We are done. Jack |
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Animals do not "anticipate"
PETA is full of hate and anti-Christian bigotry. The adherents worship
animals instead of The One True God, The Lord Jesus Christ. Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. http://www.armyofgod.com/PETA.html SAY THIS PRAYER: Dear Jesus, I am a sinner and am headed to eternal hell because of my sins. I believe you died on the cross to take away my sins and to take me to heaven. Jesus, I ask you now to come into my heart and take away my sins and give me eternal life. |
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Animals do not "anticipate"
dh@. wrote: On 27 Apr 2006 a confused Goober wrote: ****wit David Harrison, ignorant lying cracker, lied: On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 Goo wrote: ****wit David Harrison, ignorant lying cracker, lied: What do you think *really* causes it, Mr Goober? I don't know what "it" you're talking about, ****wit. Anyone who reads any of this can quickly figure out that you have no idea what we're talking about, Leif. No, that's clearly false, ****wit. There are lots of possible "its", ****wit - which one do you mean? [...] I had a dog for a number of years. If I said: "Do you want to go for a walk." he became very excited, anticipating going for a walk since I didn't say anything about it if we weren't going to go. ****wit: the dog was exhibiting what is called "conditioned response". Very good Goo, and we call this particular conditioned response "anticipation". No, ****wit. The *agitation* is the response, and agitation is not "anticipation"; It's one of the results of anticipation Goob. it's agitation. LOL...yes Goo, agitation is a product of anticipation. Agitated behavior is the "it" which you are so bewildered by, and the behavior which we are discussing, and which you sometimes desperately/comically try to pretend does not exist. YOU are the one who "thinks", wrongly of course, that the agitation is "caused" by "anticipation". That's wrong. LOL!!! Then what do you think caused it, you lame Goober? [...] He would not remember. He remembered Goo. Goo is basing his argument on animals being unable to anticipate on his observations of his Chia pet. Poor stupid little Goo. |
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Animals do not "anticipate"
On 30 Apr 2006 11:17:01 -0700, wrote:
PETA is full of hate and anti-Christian bigotry. The adherents worship animals instead of The One True God, The Lord Jesus Christ. Deuteronomy 12 15 Nevertheless, you may slaughter your animals in any of your towns and eat as much of the meat as you want, as if it were gazelle or deer, according to the blessing the LORD your God gives you. Both the ceremonially unclean and the clean may eat it. Deuteronomy 14 4 These are the animals you may eat: the ox, the sheep, the goat, 5 the deer, the gazelle, the roe deer, the wild goat, the ibex, the antelope and the mountain sheep. 6 You may eat any animal that has a split hoof divided in two and that chews the cud. 7 However, of those that chew the cud or that have a split hoof completely divided you may not eat the camel, the rabbit or the coney. Although they chew the cud, they do not have a split hoof; they are ceremonially unclean for you. 8 The pig is also unclean; although it has a split hoof, it does not chew the cud. You are not to eat their meat or touch their carcasses. 9 Of all the creatures living in the water, you may eat any that has fins and scales. 10 But anything that does not have fins and scales you may not eat; for you it is unclean. 11 You may eat any clean bird. 12 But these you may not eat: the eagle, the vulture, the black vulture, 13 the red kite, the black kite, any kind of falcon, 14 any kind of raven, 15 the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, 16 the little owl, the great owl, the white owl, 17 the desert owl, the osprey, the cormorant, 18 the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat. 19 All flying insects that swarm are unclean to you; do not eat them. 20 But any winged creature that is clean you may eat. 21 Do not eat anything you find already dead. You may give it to an alien living in any of your towns, and he may eat it, or you may sell it to a foreigner. But you are a people holy to the LORD your God. Do not cook a young goat in its mother's milk. 1 Kings 8 5 and King Solomon and the entire assembly of Israel that had gathered about him were before the ark, sacrificing so many sheep and cattle that they could not be recorded or counted. [...] 63 Solomon offered a sacrifice of fellowship offerings to the LORD: twenty-two thousand cattle and a hundred and twenty thousand sheep and goats. So the king and all the Israelites dedicated the temple of the LORD. Mark 7 18 "Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him `unclean'? 19 For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods "clean.") Mark 14 12 On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, when it was customary to sacrifice the Passover lamb, Jesus' disciples asked him, "Where do you want us to go and make preparations for you to eat the Passover?" 13 So he sent two of his disciples, telling them, "Go into the city, and a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him. 14 Say to the owner of the house he enters, 'The Teacher asks: Where is my guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?' (refer to Exodus 12 for details about the Passover food) Luke 2 22 When the time of their purification according to the Law of Moses had been completed, Joseph and Mary took him to Jerusalem to present him to the Lord 23 (as it is written in the Law of the Lord, "Every firstborn male is to be consecrated to the Lord" ), 24 and to offer a sacrifice in keeping with what is said in the Law of the Lord: "a pair of doves or two young pigeons." Luke 24 39 Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have." 40 When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet. 41 And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, "Do you have anything here to eat?" 42 They gave him a piece of broiled fish, 43 and he took it and ate it in their presence. John 21 4 Early in the morning, Jesus stood on the shore, but the disciples did not realize that it was Jesus. 5 He called out to them, "Friends, haven't you any fish?" "No," they answered. 6 He said, "Throw your net on the right side of the boat and you will find some." When they did, they were unable to haul the net in because of the large number of fish. [...] 9 When they landed, they saw a fire of burning coals there with fish on it, and some bread. 10 Jesus said to them, "Bring some of the fish you have just caught." 11 Simon Peter climbed aboard and dragged the net ashore. It was full of large fish, 153, but even with so many the net was not torn. 12 Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." Acts 10 9 About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. 13 Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat." 14 "Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean." 15 The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean." 16 This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven. Romans 14 1 Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. 2 One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. 4 Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. 5 One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. 8 If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat. 1 Corinthians 10 25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, 26 for, "The earth is the Lord's, and everything in it." http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible |
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On 30 Apr 2006 13:31:27 -0700, "Whining, Crying, Bawl" wrote:
dh@. wrote: On 27 Apr 2006 a confused Goober wrote: ****wit David Harrison, ignorant lying cracker, lied: On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 Goo wrote: ****wit David Harrison, ignorant lying cracker, lied: What do you think *really* causes it, Mr Goober? I don't know what "it" you're talking about, ****wit. Anyone who reads any of this can quickly figure out that you have no idea what we're talking about, Leif. No, that's clearly false, ****wit. There are lots of possible "its", ****wit - which one do you mean? [...] I had a dog for a number of years. If I said: "Do you want to go for a walk." he became very excited, anticipating going for a walk since I didn't say anything about it if we weren't going to go. ****wit: the dog was exhibiting what is called "conditioned response". Very good Goo, and we call this particular conditioned response "anticipation". No, ****wit. The *agitation* is the response, and agitation is not "anticipation"; It's one of the results of anticipation Goob. it's agitation. LOL...yes Goo, agitation is a product of anticipation. Agitated behavior is the "it" which you are so bewildered by, and the behavior which we are discussing, and which you sometimes desperately/comically try to pretend does not exist. YOU are the one who "thinks", wrongly of course, that the agitation is "caused" by "anticipation". That's wrong. LOL!!! Then what do you think caused it, you lame Goober? [...] He would not remember. He remembered Goo. Goo is basing his argument on animals being unable to anticipate on his observations of his Chia pet. LOL! That would explain a lot about Goo's "education". Poor stupid little Goo. It really is hard to believe that even Goo is stupid enough to believe some of the things he claims to believe--which amounts to being as stupid as he claims to be. If he really is, he may well be the stupidest Goober to ever boast about his intelligence. If he's not, it's a great mystery why he is so dishonest about that issue too. Whatever the truth really is, I guess it's safe to consider the Goober to be a nauseatingly unusual individual. |
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On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 a pitiful Goober wrote:
****wit David Harrison, ignorant lying cracker, lied: On 27 Apr 2006 Goo wrote: ****wit David Harrison, ignorant lying cracker, lied: On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 Goo wrote: ****wit David Harrison, ignorant lying cracker, lied: What do you think *really* causes it, Goo? I don't know what "it" you're talking about, ****wit. Anyone who reads any of this can quickly figure out that you have no idea what we're talking about, Goo. No, that's clearly false, ****wit. There are lots of possible "its", ****wit - which one do you mean? [...] I had a dog for a number of years. If I said: "Do you want to go for a walk." he became very excited, anticipating going for a walk since I didn't say anything about it if we weren't going to go. ****wit: the dog was exhibiting what is called "conditioned response". Very good Goo, and we call this particular conditioned response "anticipation". No, ****wit. The *agitation* is the response, and agitation is not "anticipation"; It's one of the results of anticipation Goo. No. it's agitation. LOL...yes Goo, No, ****wit. YES Goober! Agitation is agitation. Try to get at least THAT much right, you poor idiot. It must be a horrible challenge for you, but try to at least keep up *that* far! It's not anticipation. You're so confused Goo. It is hilarious, but you poor moron.... agitation is a product of anticipation. Not in dogs, LOL!!! nor in any other non-human animals. YOU are the one who "thinks", wrongly of course, that the agitation is "caused" by "anticipation". That's wrong. LOL!!! Then what do you think caused it, you inept Goober? The signal, ****wit. A couple of more challenges for you to fail here Goob, but you must. They a 1. Explain what the signal was. 2. Explain how it triggered agitation. He would not remember. He remembered No. Damn you're slow! In fact Goobernicus, you are so damn slow that you're not getting anywhere...and most likely never will. |
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On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 18:38:43 GMT, Jack Crenshaw wrote:
wrote: PETA is full of hate and anti-Christian bigotry. The adherents worship animals instead of The One True God, The Lord Jesus Christ. Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. http://www.armyofgod.com/PETA.html SAY THIS PRAYER: Dear Jesus, I am a sinner and am headed to eternal hell because of my sins. I believe you died on the cross to take away my sins and to take me to heaven. Jesus, I ask you now to come into my heart and take away my sins and give me eternal life. Don't you even _THINK_ about playing the God card with me, especially on Sunday. I am a Christian, the likes of which you have never seen before. Probably not. It is not my place to judge the level of your faith, "but" but I consider your use of God and Jesus to argue for your own secular point of view to be the ultimate sacrilege. You certainly "found" your place to judge something(s). Shame on you! Ps 34:22 - "The LORD redeems his servants; no one will be condemned who takes refuge in him." |
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