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Old November 20th 03, 07:18 PM
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From: Alison Perera lid

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olitter (PawsForThought) wrote:

From: "Knack"


I can get it locally for only US$1.00 per 15 ounce (425g) can. It has a
light tomtato gravy, but no vegetable oil. Like canned salmon, it includes
bones that are somehow softened by the heating-canning process. Contains
lots of protein, calcium, and fish oil. Comes from Chile.


Just wondering about its magnesium content. Keep in mind that a jack
mackerel is only a 11" (28cm) fish that doesn't live for anywhere near as
long as a tuna.


This is a cooked human food? I would only give it to a cat as an

occasional
treat, not as his regular diet. Cats have very specific nutritional needs
very
different from our own.


Lauren, do you supplement omega-3 fatty acids? If so, how?


I do use whole body fish oil in capsule form. I'm highly allergic to fish so I
can't feed my cats any fish. My husband handles the fish oil

Personally, I feed my cats the occasional meal of canned oily fish:
salmon or mackerel. Cheaper and more available than uncooked fish; more
palatable; less prone to being contaminated by flukes (since we eat
wild-caught Alaskan salmon in my household).

Yes, cooked human food.


They say mackeral can be high in mercury and other contaminants, I guess
depending on the source, but I don't think an occasional meal is going to hurt.


Lauren
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Old November 20th 03, 07:18 PM
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From: Alison Perera lid

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olitter (PawsForThought) wrote:

From: "Knack"


I can get it locally for only US$1.00 per 15 ounce (425g) can. It has a
light tomtato gravy, but no vegetable oil. Like canned salmon, it includes
bones that are somehow softened by the heating-canning process. Contains
lots of protein, calcium, and fish oil. Comes from Chile.


Just wondering about its magnesium content. Keep in mind that a jack
mackerel is only a 11" (28cm) fish that doesn't live for anywhere near as
long as a tuna.


This is a cooked human food? I would only give it to a cat as an

occasional
treat, not as his regular diet. Cats have very specific nutritional needs
very
different from our own.


Lauren, do you supplement omega-3 fatty acids? If so, how?


I do use whole body fish oil in capsule form. I'm highly allergic to fish so I
can't feed my cats any fish. My husband handles the fish oil

Personally, I feed my cats the occasional meal of canned oily fish:
salmon or mackerel. Cheaper and more available than uncooked fish; more
palatable; less prone to being contaminated by flukes (since we eat
wild-caught Alaskan salmon in my household).

Yes, cooked human food.


They say mackeral can be high in mercury and other contaminants, I guess
depending on the source, but I don't think an occasional meal is going to hurt.


Lauren
________
See my cats:
http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
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Old November 20th 03, 09:12 PM
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"Knack" wrote in message
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I can get it locally for only US$1.00 per 15 ounce (425g) can. It has a
light tomtato gravy, but no vegetable oil. ...

Check the ingredients. If it has onions in the gravy, do not feed it to your
cat. Onion can cause a dangerous anemia in cats.
Annie


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Old November 20th 03, 09:12 PM
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"Knack" wrote in message
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I can get it locally for only US$1.00 per 15 ounce (425g) can. It has a
light tomtato gravy, but no vegetable oil. ...

Check the ingredients. If it has onions in the gravy, do not feed it to your
cat. Onion can cause a dangerous anemia in cats.
Annie


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Old November 20th 03, 09:12 PM
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"Knack" wrote in message
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I can get it locally for only US$1.00 per 15 ounce (425g) can. It has a
light tomtato gravy, but no vegetable oil. ...

Check the ingredients. If it has onions in the gravy, do not feed it to your
cat. Onion can cause a dangerous anemia in cats.
Annie


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Old November 21st 03, 12:27 PM
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"Knack" wrote in message
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I can get it locally for only US$1.00 per 15 ounce (425g) can. It has a
light tomtato gravy, but no vegetable oil. Like canned salmon, it includes
bones that are somehow softened by the heating-canning process. Contains
lots of protein, calcium, and fish oil.


..... and possibly ciguatoxin.

One of our vets was an emergency and critical care specialist for about 10
years. He was presented with several cases of severe diarrhea and vomiting
in cats that were recently fed mackerel. One case involved two of three
cats in a household - the third, asymptomatic cat, did not eat the mackeral.

At the time there was no test to definitively diagnose ciguatera poisoning,
however, the symptoms in the cats closely resembled ciguatera poisoning in
humans. He encountered a few other cats over the years with the same
symptoms who also recently consumed mackeral - that's why he suspected
ciguatera poisoning.

There's no way to detect ciguatoxin in fish -- and there's no way to destroy
it. Cooking, freezing and canning have no effect. So the best way to
reduce the risk is to avoid the fish that are known carriers of ciguatoxin.
Also, the larger the fish, the higher the concentration of ciguatoxin - big
fish eat little fish contaminated with ciguatoxin -- and bigger fish eat
those fish and so on. The highest risk is in fillets because they can be
cut from 100-pound King Mackerals.

I would avoid feeding raw fish to cats altogether. Some fish contain
thiaminase - which is an enzyme that destroys thiamin (vitamin B1). Cats
are very susceptible to thiamin deficiency because of their high requirement
for thiamin. The risk for thiamin destruction exists only when fish is fed
raw -- cooking destroys thiaminase.

Good luck.

Phil.




Just wondering about its magnesium content. Keep in mind that a jack
mackerel is only a 11" (28cm) fish that doesn't live for anywhere near as
long as a tuna.




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Old November 21st 03, 12:27 PM
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"Knack" wrote in message
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I can get it locally for only US$1.00 per 15 ounce (425g) can. It has a
light tomtato gravy, but no vegetable oil. Like canned salmon, it includes
bones that are somehow softened by the heating-canning process. Contains
lots of protein, calcium, and fish oil.


..... and possibly ciguatoxin.

One of our vets was an emergency and critical care specialist for about 10
years. He was presented with several cases of severe diarrhea and vomiting
in cats that were recently fed mackerel. One case involved two of three
cats in a household - the third, asymptomatic cat, did not eat the mackeral.

At the time there was no test to definitively diagnose ciguatera poisoning,
however, the symptoms in the cats closely resembled ciguatera poisoning in
humans. He encountered a few other cats over the years with the same
symptoms who also recently consumed mackeral - that's why he suspected
ciguatera poisoning.

There's no way to detect ciguatoxin in fish -- and there's no way to destroy
it. Cooking, freezing and canning have no effect. So the best way to
reduce the risk is to avoid the fish that are known carriers of ciguatoxin.
Also, the larger the fish, the higher the concentration of ciguatoxin - big
fish eat little fish contaminated with ciguatoxin -- and bigger fish eat
those fish and so on. The highest risk is in fillets because they can be
cut from 100-pound King Mackerals.

I would avoid feeding raw fish to cats altogether. Some fish contain
thiaminase - which is an enzyme that destroys thiamin (vitamin B1). Cats
are very susceptible to thiamin deficiency because of their high requirement
for thiamin. The risk for thiamin destruction exists only when fish is fed
raw -- cooking destroys thiaminase.

Good luck.

Phil.




Just wondering about its magnesium content. Keep in mind that a jack
mackerel is only a 11" (28cm) fish that doesn't live for anywhere near as
long as a tuna.




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Old November 21st 03, 12:27 PM
Phil P.
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"Knack" wrote in message
ink.net...
I can get it locally for only US$1.00 per 15 ounce (425g) can. It has a
light tomtato gravy, but no vegetable oil. Like canned salmon, it includes
bones that are somehow softened by the heating-canning process. Contains
lots of protein, calcium, and fish oil.


..... and possibly ciguatoxin.

One of our vets was an emergency and critical care specialist for about 10
years. He was presented with several cases of severe diarrhea and vomiting
in cats that were recently fed mackerel. One case involved two of three
cats in a household - the third, asymptomatic cat, did not eat the mackeral.

At the time there was no test to definitively diagnose ciguatera poisoning,
however, the symptoms in the cats closely resembled ciguatera poisoning in
humans. He encountered a few other cats over the years with the same
symptoms who also recently consumed mackeral - that's why he suspected
ciguatera poisoning.

There's no way to detect ciguatoxin in fish -- and there's no way to destroy
it. Cooking, freezing and canning have no effect. So the best way to
reduce the risk is to avoid the fish that are known carriers of ciguatoxin.
Also, the larger the fish, the higher the concentration of ciguatoxin - big
fish eat little fish contaminated with ciguatoxin -- and bigger fish eat
those fish and so on. The highest risk is in fillets because they can be
cut from 100-pound King Mackerals.

I would avoid feeding raw fish to cats altogether. Some fish contain
thiaminase - which is an enzyme that destroys thiamin (vitamin B1). Cats
are very susceptible to thiamin deficiency because of their high requirement
for thiamin. The risk for thiamin destruction exists only when fish is fed
raw -- cooking destroys thiaminase.

Good luck.

Phil.




Just wondering about its magnesium content. Keep in mind that a jack
mackerel is only a 11" (28cm) fish that doesn't live for anywhere near as
long as a tuna.




 




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