Cat Diet using Kitten Food?

From: (Liz)

He was thinking of the Atkin´s diet, no or very little carbs and lots
of protein and fats. The diet works wonders BUT it´s never going to
work with anything above 5% carbs, and I´m sure that dry food has more
than this so it won´t work.

Wrongo, liz. Hill's m/d is quite effective at helping cats lose weight safely
and efficiently and it has more than 5% carboydrate on a dry matter basis.
There's more to weight loss than just little or no carbs, you know. Or maybe
you don't.

"GAUBSTER2" wrote in message
...
From: (Liz)

He was thinking of the Atkin´s diet, no or very little carbs and lots
of protein and fats. The diet works wonders BUT it´s never going to
work with anything above 5% carbs, and I´m sure that dry food has more
than this so it won´t work.

Wrongo, liz. Hill's m/d is quite effective at helping cats lose weight
safely
and efficiently and it has more than 5% carboydrate on a dry matter basis.
There's more to weight loss than just little or no carbs, you know. Or
maybe
you don't.

It kinda pains me in a funny way to defend Liz, but she was saying that an
Atkins style low carb diet doesn't work with over 5% carbs. The original
poster implied that the "low carbs" of the kitten food would help weight
loss, when no such thing is true.

"GAUBSTER2" wrote in message
...
From: (Liz)

He was thinking of the Atkin´s diet, no or very little carbs and lots
of protein and fats. The diet works wonders BUT it´s never going to
work with anything above 5% carbs, and I´m sure that dry food has more
than this so it won´t work.

Wrongo, liz. Hill's m/d is quite effective at helping cats lose weight
safely
and efficiently and it has more than 5% carboydrate on a dry matter basis.
There's more to weight loss than just little or no carbs, you know. Or
maybe
you don't.

It kinda pains me in a funny way to defend Liz, but she was saying that an
Atkins style low carb diet doesn't work with over 5% carbs. The original
poster implied that the "low carbs" of the kitten food would help weight
loss, when no such thing is true.

From: "Jon C"

He was thinking of the Atkin´s diet, no or very little carbs and lots
of protein and fats. The diet works wonders BUT it´s never going to
work with anything above 5% carbs, and I´m sure that dry food has more
than this so it won´t work.

Wrongo, liz. Hill's m/d is quite effective at helping cats lose weight
safely
and efficiently and it has more than 5% carboydrate on a dry matter basis.
There's more to weight loss than just little or no carbs, you know. Or
maybe
you don't.

It kinda pains me in a funny way to defend Liz, but she was saying that an
Atkins style low carb diet doesn't work with over 5% carbs. The original
poster implied that the "low carbs" of the kitten food would help weight
loss, when no such thing is true.


....that doesn't change my point. If Liz is talking about the "human Atkin's",
fine. But as it relates to cats, my original point remains the same. The
Hill's Prescription Diet Feline m/d is an "Atkins style" diet that DOES work
for overweight cats in helping them lose weight safely and efficiently. It has
more than "5% carbs" on a dry matter basis, yet it works anyway. I was simply
disagreeing with Liz's assertion regarding feline diets.

From: "Jon C"

He was thinking of the Atkin´s diet, no or very little carbs and lots
of protein and fats. The diet works wonders BUT it´s never going to
work with anything above 5% carbs, and I´m sure that dry food has more
than this so it won´t work.

Wrongo, liz. Hill's m/d is quite effective at helping cats lose weight
safely
and efficiently and it has more than 5% carboydrate on a dry matter basis.
There's more to weight loss than just little or no carbs, you know. Or
maybe
you don't.

It kinda pains me in a funny way to defend Liz, but she was saying that an
Atkins style low carb diet doesn't work with over 5% carbs. The original
poster implied that the "low carbs" of the kitten food would help weight
loss, when no such thing is true.


....that doesn't change my point. If Liz is talking about the "human Atkin's",
fine. But as it relates to cats, my original point remains the same. The
Hill's Prescription Diet Feline m/d is an "Atkins style" diet that DOES work
for overweight cats in helping them lose weight safely and efficiently. It has
more than "5% carbs" on a dry matter basis, yet it works anyway. I was simply
disagreeing with Liz's assertion regarding feline diets.

"GAUBSTER2" wrote in message
...
From: "Jon C"

He was thinking of the Atkin´s diet, no or very little carbs and lots
of protein and fats. The diet works wonders BUT it´s never going to
work with anything above 5% carbs, and I´m sure that dry food has more
than this so it won´t work.

Wrongo, liz. Hill's m/d is quite effective at helping cats lose weight
safely
and efficiently and it has more than 5% carboydrate on a dry matter
basis.
There's more to weight loss than just little or no carbs, you know. Or
maybe
you don't.

It kinda pains me in a funny way to defend Liz, but she was saying that
an
Atkins style low carb diet doesn't work with over 5% carbs. The original
poster implied that the "low carbs" of the kitten food would help weight
loss, when no such thing is true.


...that doesn't change my point. If Liz is talking about the "human
Atkin's",
fine. But as it relates to cats, my original point remains the same. The
Hill's Prescription Diet Feline m/d is an "Atkins style" diet that DOES
work
for overweight cats in helping them lose weight safely and efficiently.
It has
more than "5% carbs" on a dry matter basis, yet it works anyway. I was
simply
disagreeing with Liz's assertion regarding feline diets.

It's not the amount of carbs in the food.

Felidae canned has virtually no carbs, and it's not a "diet" food proven to
promote weight loss. It has to be something else. Unless you want to tell
me that Felidae canned will have the same effect as SD m/d

"GAUBSTER2" wrote in message
...
From: "Jon C"

He was thinking of the Atkin´s diet, no or very little carbs and lots
of protein and fats. The diet works wonders BUT it´s never going to
work with anything above 5% carbs, and I´m sure that dry food has more
than this so it won´t work.

Wrongo, liz. Hill's m/d is quite effective at helping cats lose weight
safely
and efficiently and it has more than 5% carboydrate on a dry matter
basis.
There's more to weight loss than just little or no carbs, you know. Or
maybe
you don't.

It kinda pains me in a funny way to defend Liz, but she was saying that
an
Atkins style low carb diet doesn't work with over 5% carbs. The original
poster implied that the "low carbs" of the kitten food would help weight
loss, when no such thing is true.


...that doesn't change my point. If Liz is talking about the "human
Atkin's",
fine. But as it relates to cats, my original point remains the same. The
Hill's Prescription Diet Feline m/d is an "Atkins style" diet that DOES
work
for overweight cats in helping them lose weight safely and efficiently.
It has
more than "5% carbs" on a dry matter basis, yet it works anyway. I was
simply
disagreeing with Liz's assertion regarding feline diets.

It's not the amount of carbs in the food.

Felidae canned has virtually no carbs, and it's not a "diet" food proven to
promote weight loss. It has to be something else. Unless you want to tell
me that Felidae canned will have the same effect as SD m/d

GAUBSTER2 wrote:
From: (Liz)


He was thinking of the Atkin´s diet, no or very little carbs and lots
of protein and fats. The diet works wonders BUT it´s never going to
work with anything above 5% carbs, and I´m sure that dry food has more
than this so it won´t work.


Wrongo, liz. Hill's m/d is quite effective at helping cats lose weight safely
and efficiently and it has more than 5% carboydrate on a dry matter basis.
There's more to weight loss than just little or no carbs, you know. Or maybe
you don't.


I do believe she was referring to the human metabolism not being able to
enter a ketotic state with more carbs than that.

As it turns out, cats as carnivores have a metabolism that's quite
resistant to ketosis so "Atkin's diet" ketosis for weight loss is an
inaccurate paradigm for kitties.

-Alison in OH

GAUBSTER2 wrote:
From: (Liz)


He was thinking of the Atkin´s diet, no or very little carbs and lots
of protein and fats. The diet works wonders BUT it´s never going to
work with anything above 5% carbs, and I´m sure that dry food has more
than this so it won´t work.


Wrongo, liz. Hill's m/d is quite effective at helping cats lose weight safely
and efficiently and it has more than 5% carboydrate on a dry matter basis.
There's more to weight loss than just little or no carbs, you know. Or maybe
you don't.


I do believe she was referring to the human metabolism not being able to
enter a ketotic state with more carbs than that.

As it turns out, cats as carnivores have a metabolism that's quite
resistant to ketosis so "Atkin's diet" ketosis for weight loss is an
inaccurate paradigm for kitties.

-Alison in OH

(Mike) wrote in message . com...
My grandparents have a male, neutered cat that is about 5 years old.
He had a stroke a couple years ago and never fully recovered so he
stays indoors. This cat has gained so much weight and now weighs 25
pounds. My grandmother finally took him to the vet and the vet put him
on one of the Hill's dry kitten foods to lose weight because it's low
in carbs and high in protein.

Is this ok for this cat to be on?

Yes. As long as his kidneys are healthy, which they can check with
bloodwork.

It seems like one of the
prescription diets might be better and/or safer. Any thoughts or
opinions?
I just want to make sure this cat gets the best treatment possible. I
plan on "adopting" him from my grandparents before the end of the
year. They like him but they know they can't give him all the special
care he needs. He's also no longer happy being there anyway.

I am following the same protocol (though not with Hill's) for my older
adult cat. He is at a healthy weight and doing great. This
protocol should only be done with a vet's approval, though.

-L.