Man traps neighbors cats, takes to shelter

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 06:07:49 GMT, "Agua Girl"
wrote:

First off..this has been discussed ad nauseum in here, and is
usually brought up by trolls; but I will take your post on face
value and assume you have no ulterior motive for rehashing the
debate.
I have a couple of comments. Number one, there are all kinds of
wild animals that leave droppings. ...

A Portland man, upset at his neighbor's cats continually coming over
and killing birds and crapping in his flower beds decided to take
matters into his own hands. He started trapping the cats and taking
them down and dropping them off at the animal shelter. Most neighbors
eventually thought to check the shelter when their cats disappeared,
but one cat had no ID and was euthanized within a few days. ...


There are a few things missing here that are pertinent. First, how
many cats and neighbors are we talking about? The quoted article
indicates that the missing cats belonged to "most neighbors", so can I
assume that at least three neighbors were missing cats? How many cats
were involved? Belonging to how many neighbors? Was there a cat
convention in this guy's yard?

And it isn't cat poop that most people find a problem, although it can
be. Cat fights outside disturb me and my cats. Some local cats poop
down a short flight of stairs leading to my basement door. There is no
dirt there so they just leave it. (not any more since I put up a fence
to keep mine in and theirs out).

The real problem is urine. Remember, our feline friends like to mark
their territory. It stinks. Much more of a problem than the poop. And
Agua Girl, we can tell the difference between a cat killing a bird and
a bird dying of West Nile. The severed head is the giveaway. That is
normal cat behavior but I like birds also.

If there are so many cats that this guy can't use his yard because it
stinks and is full of crap, then a problem exists. Maybe he is nuts,
or maybe he just wants his neighbors to be responsible for their pets.

"dgk" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 06:07:49 GMT, "Agua Girl"
wrote:

First off..this has been discussed ad nauseum in here, and is
usually brought up by trolls; but I will take your post on face
value and assume you have no ulterior motive for rehashing the
debate.
I have a couple of comments. Number one, there are all kinds of
wild animals that leave droppings. ...

A Portland man, upset at his neighbor's cats continually coming over
and killing birds and crapping in his flower beds decided to take
matters into his own hands. He started trapping the cats and taking
them down and dropping them off at the animal shelter. Most neighbors
eventually thought to check the shelter when their cats disappeared,
but one cat had no ID and was euthanized within a few days. ...


There are a few things missing here that are pertinent. First, how
many cats and neighbors are we talking about? The quoted article
indicates that the missing cats belonged to "most neighbors", so can I
assume that at least three neighbors were missing cats? How many cats
were involved? Belonging to how many neighbors? Was there a cat
convention in this guy's yard?

And it isn't cat poop that most people find a problem, although it can
be. Cat fights outside disturb me and my cats. Some local cats poop
down a short flight of stairs leading to my basement door. There is no
dirt there so they just leave it. (not any more since I put up a fence
to keep mine in and theirs out).

You did the logical thing..you put up a fence. You didn't trap them
and drop them off to be killed..but then I suppose since your own
cats were part of the problem, discarding was not a good solution.

The real problem is urine. Remember, our feline friends like to mark
their territory. It stinks. Much more of a problem than the poop. And
Agua Girl, we can tell the difference between a cat killing a bird and
a bird dying of West Nile. The severed head is the giveaway. That is
normal cat behavior but I like birds also.

I didn't bring up the killing of the birds..that was someone else. It's
admirable to want to protect birds..but not at the death of another
animal. We are supposed to be the higher life form. We have
compassion, conscience, and the ability to reason. It pained me
when my other cat used to kill birds (in my back yard) but I understood
the way nature works. I didn't punish the cat, told her how great she
was...but I did discourage birds from coming into my yard. Put up
those flappy wind things that keep birds away in place of the bird
feeder. We are supposed to be a reasonable life nurturing society...
and we should be smart enough to come up with solutions that don't
involve just discarding an animal.

If there are so many cats that this guy can't use his yard because it
stinks and is full of crap, then a problem exists. Maybe he is nuts,
or maybe he just wants his neighbors to be responsible for their pets.

His neighbors should be responsible but his actions make him just
as hateful. He may not have owned the cats but he is still human..and
he should still revere life. There were half a dozen other courses of
action. What about trapping the cats, taking them back to their owners?
What about a mailer to the neighborhood explaining the problem and
stating his right to trap? How about dropping them off at a rescue group
rather than a kill shelter? The thing is..he didn't care what happened
to the cats as long as they stopped pooping, spraying whatever in his
yard. Didn't care. Wasn't responsible, wasn't his problem. Then to
top it off half the posters in here wasn't concerned about what happened
to the cat that was killed but was more intent about whether he was
within his rights. I say again..he may have been legally right but it was
morally wrong...and a little scary since we don't know where else he
displays this lack of compassion for life.

AG

"dgk" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 06:07:49 GMT, "Agua Girl"
wrote:

First off..this has been discussed ad nauseum in here, and is
usually brought up by trolls; but I will take your post on face
value and assume you have no ulterior motive for rehashing the
debate.
I have a couple of comments. Number one, there are all kinds of
wild animals that leave droppings. ...

A Portland man, upset at his neighbor's cats continually coming over
and killing birds and crapping in his flower beds decided to take
matters into his own hands. He started trapping the cats and taking
them down and dropping them off at the animal shelter. Most neighbors
eventually thought to check the shelter when their cats disappeared,
but one cat had no ID and was euthanized within a few days. ...


There are a few things missing here that are pertinent. First, how
many cats and neighbors are we talking about? The quoted article
indicates that the missing cats belonged to "most neighbors", so can I
assume that at least three neighbors were missing cats? How many cats
were involved? Belonging to how many neighbors? Was there a cat
convention in this guy's yard?

And it isn't cat poop that most people find a problem, although it can
be. Cat fights outside disturb me and my cats. Some local cats poop
down a short flight of stairs leading to my basement door. There is no
dirt there so they just leave it. (not any more since I put up a fence
to keep mine in and theirs out).

You did the logical thing..you put up a fence. You didn't trap them
and drop them off to be killed..but then I suppose since your own
cats were part of the problem, discarding was not a good solution.

The real problem is urine. Remember, our feline friends like to mark
their territory. It stinks. Much more of a problem than the poop. And
Agua Girl, we can tell the difference between a cat killing a bird and
a bird dying of West Nile. The severed head is the giveaway. That is
normal cat behavior but I like birds also.

I didn't bring up the killing of the birds..that was someone else. It's
admirable to want to protect birds..but not at the death of another
animal. We are supposed to be the higher life form. We have
compassion, conscience, and the ability to reason. It pained me
when my other cat used to kill birds (in my back yard) but I understood
the way nature works. I didn't punish the cat, told her how great she
was...but I did discourage birds from coming into my yard. Put up
those flappy wind things that keep birds away in place of the bird
feeder. We are supposed to be a reasonable life nurturing society...
and we should be smart enough to come up with solutions that don't
involve just discarding an animal.

If there are so many cats that this guy can't use his yard because it
stinks and is full of crap, then a problem exists. Maybe he is nuts,
or maybe he just wants his neighbors to be responsible for their pets.

His neighbors should be responsible but his actions make him just
as hateful. He may not have owned the cats but he is still human..and
he should still revere life. There were half a dozen other courses of
action. What about trapping the cats, taking them back to their owners?
What about a mailer to the neighborhood explaining the problem and
stating his right to trap? How about dropping them off at a rescue group
rather than a kill shelter? The thing is..he didn't care what happened
to the cats as long as they stopped pooping, spraying whatever in his
yard. Didn't care. Wasn't responsible, wasn't his problem. Then to
top it off half the posters in here wasn't concerned about what happened
to the cat that was killed but was more intent about whether he was
within his rights. I say again..he may have been legally right but it was
morally wrong...and a little scary since we don't know where else he
displays this lack of compassion for life.

AG

"dgk" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 06:07:49 GMT, "Agua Girl"
wrote:

First off..this has been discussed ad nauseum in here, and is
usually brought up by trolls; but I will take your post on face
value and assume you have no ulterior motive for rehashing the
debate.
I have a couple of comments. Number one, there are all kinds of
wild animals that leave droppings. ...

A Portland man, upset at his neighbor's cats continually coming over
and killing birds and crapping in his flower beds decided to take
matters into his own hands. He started trapping the cats and taking
them down and dropping them off at the animal shelter. Most neighbors
eventually thought to check the shelter when their cats disappeared,
but one cat had no ID and was euthanized within a few days. ...


There are a few things missing here that are pertinent. First, how
many cats and neighbors are we talking about? The quoted article
indicates that the missing cats belonged to "most neighbors", so can I
assume that at least three neighbors were missing cats? How many cats
were involved? Belonging to how many neighbors? Was there a cat
convention in this guy's yard?

And it isn't cat poop that most people find a problem, although it can
be. Cat fights outside disturb me and my cats. Some local cats poop
down a short flight of stairs leading to my basement door. There is no
dirt there so they just leave it. (not any more since I put up a fence
to keep mine in and theirs out).

You did the logical thing..you put up a fence. You didn't trap them
and drop them off to be killed..but then I suppose since your own
cats were part of the problem, discarding was not a good solution.

The real problem is urine. Remember, our feline friends like to mark
their territory. It stinks. Much more of a problem than the poop. And
Agua Girl, we can tell the difference between a cat killing a bird and
a bird dying of West Nile. The severed head is the giveaway. That is
normal cat behavior but I like birds also.

I didn't bring up the killing of the birds..that was someone else. It's
admirable to want to protect birds..but not at the death of another
animal. We are supposed to be the higher life form. We have
compassion, conscience, and the ability to reason. It pained me
when my other cat used to kill birds (in my back yard) but I understood
the way nature works. I didn't punish the cat, told her how great she
was...but I did discourage birds from coming into my yard. Put up
those flappy wind things that keep birds away in place of the bird
feeder. We are supposed to be a reasonable life nurturing society...
and we should be smart enough to come up with solutions that don't
involve just discarding an animal.

If there are so many cats that this guy can't use his yard because it
stinks and is full of crap, then a problem exists. Maybe he is nuts,
or maybe he just wants his neighbors to be responsible for their pets.

His neighbors should be responsible but his actions make him just
as hateful. He may not have owned the cats but he is still human..and
he should still revere life. There were half a dozen other courses of
action. What about trapping the cats, taking them back to their owners?
What about a mailer to the neighborhood explaining the problem and
stating his right to trap? How about dropping them off at a rescue group
rather than a kill shelter? The thing is..he didn't care what happened
to the cats as long as they stopped pooping, spraying whatever in his
yard. Didn't care. Wasn't responsible, wasn't his problem. Then to
top it off half the posters in here wasn't concerned about what happened
to the cat that was killed but was more intent about whether he was
within his rights. I say again..he may have been legally right but it was
morally wrong...and a little scary since we don't know where else he
displays this lack of compassion for life.

AG

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:23:45 -0500, dgk
wrote:


There are a few things missing here that are pertinent. First, how
many cats and neighbors are we talking about? The quoted article
indicates that the missing cats belonged to "most neighbors", so can I
assume that at least three neighbors were missing cats? How many cats
were involved? Belonging to how many neighbors? Was there a cat
convention in this guy's yard?

I don't remember reading how many cats or neighbors were involved. I
got the impression that this guy had done this with several neighbor
cats. It was just an inconvenience for the cat owners until the one
got euthanized, then all hell broke loose.

Bill


************************************************** ***

"The hazards of the outdoors-automobiles, dogs, rival cats, poisonous
plants, infectious diseases, and fleas, to name but a few-are
compelling reasons to keep cats exclusively indoors."
(Dr. James Richards, Director, Cornell Feline Health Center,
College of Veterinary Medicine, Cornell University, Ithaca, New York)

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:23:45 -0500, dgk
wrote:


There are a few things missing here that are pertinent. First, how
many cats and neighbors are we talking about? The quoted article
indicates that the missing cats belonged to "most neighbors", so can I
assume that at least three neighbors were missing cats? How many cats
were involved? Belonging to how many neighbors? Was there a cat
convention in this guy's yard?

I don't remember reading how many cats or neighbors were involved. I
got the impression that this guy had done this with several neighbor
cats. It was just an inconvenience for the cat owners until the one
got euthanized, then all hell broke loose.

Bill


************************************************** ***

"The hazards of the outdoors-automobiles, dogs, rival cats, poisonous
plants, infectious diseases, and fleas, to name but a few-are
compelling reasons to keep cats exclusively indoors."
(Dr. James Richards, Director, Cornell Feline Health Center,
College of Veterinary Medicine, Cornell University, Ithaca, New York)

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:23:45 -0500, dgk
wrote:


There are a few things missing here that are pertinent. First, how
many cats and neighbors are we talking about? The quoted article
indicates that the missing cats belonged to "most neighbors", so can I
assume that at least three neighbors were missing cats? How many cats
were involved? Belonging to how many neighbors? Was there a cat
convention in this guy's yard?

I don't remember reading how many cats or neighbors were involved. I
got the impression that this guy had done this with several neighbor
cats. It was just an inconvenience for the cat owners until the one
got euthanized, then all hell broke loose.

Bill


************************************************** ***

"The hazards of the outdoors-automobiles, dogs, rival cats, poisonous
plants, infectious diseases, and fleas, to name but a few-are
compelling reasons to keep cats exclusively indoors."
(Dr. James Richards, Director, Cornell Feline Health Center,
College of Veterinary Medicine, Cornell University, Ithaca, New York)

"Bill S" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 06:07:49 GMT, "Agua Girl"
wrote:

First off..this has been discussed ad nauseum in here, and is
usually brought up by trolls; but I will take your post on face
value and assume you have no ulterior motive for rehashing the
debate.

Nope, not a troll. I hadn't realized this has been discussed here
before. This particular case or something similar? I got the
impression from the letters I was reading that the incident happened
very recently.

I noticed this is cross posted so I am not sure where it originated
but it's been discussed in alt.cats. Trolls like to come in
and tell you what horrible things they have done to cats
that had the audacity to wander into their yards. We just went
through the trapped it and released it miles away debate.
The irresponsible owner versus cat hater debate is pretty common.

Doesn't matter what side of the fence you are on or how bad
the owner is...life should matter. I have a gopher destroying my
lawn. I've tried flooding his burrows, dropping things down there
that are purported to drive them away..and even planting a
bush they supposedly hate. Several months ago my cat
cornered the little bugger outside of his hole. All I had to do was
grab a rock or something..or probably just let my cat have it.
Couldn't do it. The gopher was just doing what it does and my
lawn seemed like a poor reason to kill the pest. So he's still
there..digging holes as fast as I fill them in. When man start
killing animals to protect grass then mans humanity starts
to die as well.

"Bill S" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 06:07:49 GMT, "Agua Girl"
wrote:

First off..this has been discussed ad nauseum in here, and is
usually brought up by trolls; but I will take your post on face
value and assume you have no ulterior motive for rehashing the
debate.

Nope, not a troll. I hadn't realized this has been discussed here
before. This particular case or something similar? I got the
impression from the letters I was reading that the incident happened
very recently.

I noticed this is cross posted so I am not sure where it originated
but it's been discussed in alt.cats. Trolls like to come in
and tell you what horrible things they have done to cats
that had the audacity to wander into their yards. We just went
through the trapped it and released it miles away debate.
The irresponsible owner versus cat hater debate is pretty common.

Doesn't matter what side of the fence you are on or how bad
the owner is...life should matter. I have a gopher destroying my
lawn. I've tried flooding his burrows, dropping things down there
that are purported to drive them away..and even planting a
bush they supposedly hate. Several months ago my cat
cornered the little bugger outside of his hole. All I had to do was
grab a rock or something..or probably just let my cat have it.
Couldn't do it. The gopher was just doing what it does and my
lawn seemed like a poor reason to kill the pest. So he's still
there..digging holes as fast as I fill them in. When man start
killing animals to protect grass then mans humanity starts
to die as well.

"Bill S" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 06:07:49 GMT, "Agua Girl"
wrote:

First off..this has been discussed ad nauseum in here, and is
usually brought up by trolls; but I will take your post on face
value and assume you have no ulterior motive for rehashing the
debate.

Nope, not a troll. I hadn't realized this has been discussed here
before. This particular case or something similar? I got the
impression from the letters I was reading that the incident happened
very recently.

I noticed this is cross posted so I am not sure where it originated
but it's been discussed in alt.cats. Trolls like to come in
and tell you what horrible things they have done to cats
that had the audacity to wander into their yards. We just went
through the trapped it and released it miles away debate.
The irresponsible owner versus cat hater debate is pretty common.

Doesn't matter what side of the fence you are on or how bad
the owner is...life should matter. I have a gopher destroying my
lawn. I've tried flooding his burrows, dropping things down there
that are purported to drive them away..and even planting a
bush they supposedly hate. Several months ago my cat
cornered the little bugger outside of his hole. All I had to do was
grab a rock or something..or probably just let my cat have it.
Couldn't do it. The gopher was just doing what it does and my
lawn seemed like a poor reason to kill the pest. So he's still
there..digging holes as fast as I fill them in. When man start
killing animals to protect grass then mans humanity starts
to die as well.