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"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:

I was talking about BEFORE Castro came to power! (I forget
how many of you were not even a gleam in your parents' eyes
then.) I don't remember why (if I ever knew) but I'm pretty
sure of my facts.

But this is what you wrote:

- Yes, I meant more "ill-considered" than "unsuccessful" -
- remember who supported Castro against the established Cuban
- government, way back when? (And Saddam in Iraq, once upon a
- time?) It might have been better for both our country and
- the world, if some of the CIA's operations had been LESS
- successful!

It sounded like you were implying that the US gov't supported Castro
against Batista. Did you not mean that? Were you referring to another
government (ie, the Soviet Union)?

Since you talked about dictators that the US/CIA has supported, eg,
Saddam Hussein, I thought you were saying that they also helped Castro
win the revolution. And I just can't believe that.

Joyce

I did some lite research this morning, and while Castro was briefly a
popular hero with the US newspapers and population, saw nothing to indicate
he ever had any kind of support from the US government. The closest thing I
found indicated that we did stop selling weapons to Bautista or interfered
with his acquisition of weapons in some way.

Whatever charm Castro had went away pretty fast when he took over control of
the Cuban government and nationalized foreign investments.

Jo

"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message


Well, the CIA isn't exactly "military"////

Well, everyone KNOWS that "CIA" stands for "Completely Incompetent
A$$holes" ;o)

Helen M - Sh*t stiring.


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"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:

I was talking about BEFORE Castro came to power! (I forget
how many of you were not even a gleam in your parents' eyes
then.) I don't remember why (if I ever knew) but I'm pretty
sure of my facts.

But this is what you wrote:

- Yes, I meant more "ill-considered" than "unsuccessful" -
- remember who supported Castro against the established Cuban
- government, way back when? (And Saddam in Iraq, once upon a
- time?) It might have been better for both our country and
- the world, if some of the CIA's operations had been LESS
- successful!

It sounded like you were implying that the US gov't supported Castro
against Batista.

I wasn't "implying" anything - SFAIK, it's TRUE, we DID
support Castro (presumably against Batista). As I say, I
don't remember the reasons (if I ever knew them) but I think
the fact was pretty well established at the time. You must
remember, Castro represented himself as a "liberator", and I
think the U.S. had grown a bit disenchanted with Batista's
totalitarian regime.

Since you talked about dictators that the US/CIA has supported, eg,
Saddam Hussein, I thought you were saying that they also helped Castro
win the revolution. And I just can't believe that.

I can't give you any direct citations, but check it out at
your library - I think you'll find I'm correct.

Jo Firey wrote:


I did some lite research this morning, and while Castro was briefly a
popular hero with the US newspapers and population, saw nothing to indicate
he ever had any kind of support from the US government.

Not overt support (the CIA specializes in covert operations,
remember?) but the assistance was there.

The closest thing I
found indicated that we did stop selling weapons to Bautista or interfered
with his acquisition of weapons in some way.

Whatever charm Castro had went away pretty fast when he took over control of
the Cuban government and nationalized foreign investments.

That's why I said the CIA's support was "ill-advised".

"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message
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"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:

I was talking about BEFORE Castro came to power! (I forget how many
of you were not even a gleam in your parents' eyes then.) I don't
remember why (if I ever knew) but I'm pretty sure of my facts.

But this is what you wrote:

- Yes, I meant more "ill-considered" than "unsuccessful" -
- remember who supported Castro against the established Cuban
- government, way back when? (And Saddam in Iraq, once upon a
- time?) It might have been better for both our country and
- the world, if some of the CIA's operations had been LESS
- successful!

It sounded like you were implying that the US gov't supported Castro
against Batista.

I wasn't "implying" anything - SFAIK, it's TRUE, we DID support Castro
(presumably against Batista). As I say, I don't remember the reasons (if I
ever knew them) but I think the fact was pretty well established at the
time. You must remember, Castro represented himself as a "liberator", and
I think the U.S. had grown a bit disenchanted with Batista's totalitarian
regime.

Since you talked about dictators that the US/CIA has supported, eg,
Saddam Hussein, I thought you were saying that they also helped Castro
win the revolution. And I just can't believe that.

I can't give you any direct citations, but check it out at your library -
I think you'll find I'm correct.


But that is what I did this morning. Online. And found nothing to indicate
he had any US government support.

So how about some back up from some relatively reputable cite?

Jo

Jo Firey wrote:

"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message
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"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:

I was talking about BEFORE Castro came to power! (I forget how many
of you were not even a gleam in your parents' eyes then.) I don't
remember why (if I ever knew) but I'm pretty sure of my facts.

But this is what you wrote:

- Yes, I meant more "ill-considered" than "unsuccessful" -
- remember who supported Castro against the established Cuban
- government, way back when? (And Saddam in Iraq, once upon a
- time?) It might have been better for both our country and
- the world, if some of the CIA's operations had been LESS
- successful!

It sounded like you were implying that the US gov't supported Castro
against Batista.

I wasn't "implying" anything - SFAIK, it's TRUE, we DID support Castro
(presumably against Batista). As I say, I don't remember the reasons (if I
ever knew them) but I think the fact was pretty well established at the
time. You must remember, Castro represented himself as a "liberator", and
I think the U.S. had grown a bit disenchanted with Batista's totalitarian
regime.

Since you talked about dictators that the US/CIA has supported, eg,
Saddam Hussein, I thought you were saying that they also helped Castro
win the revolution. And I just can't believe that.

I can't give you any direct citations, but check it out at your library -
I think you'll find I'm correct.



But that is what I did this morning. Online. And found nothing to indicate
he had any US government support.
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I meant a LIBRARY (you know, books?) - the trouble with
researching things "on line" is that one doesn't always ask
the right questions, and computers can't think.