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"Meghan Noecker" wrote in message ... On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 20:34:42 +1200, "Ashley" wrote: "Meghan Noecker" wrote in message ... On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 16:07:16 +1200, "Ashley" wrote: I don't want to get in arguments here. But I'll just point out the obvious: if you work during the day and let them out only when you're home, and follow the recommendations not to let them out at night, then they are indoor cats. That doesn't make sense. If they go outside, then they are indoor/outdoor cats. Just because they are outside less than 8 hours a day does not make them indoor only cats. If it's dark when you leave and dark when you get home ... You didn't say the cats weren't going outside. I said "if you follow the recommendations not to let them out at night" And the conditions you mention are not year round, nor do most people work every day of the week. This happens in many places in winter. And in many places, it doesn't. You set up very specific conditions. A lot of people get off work before sundown, even in the winter. Many people work evenings and are thus home during the morning and early afternoon. I said "if you work during the day" (as the majority of people do) Mosty people have at least one day off each week. And who said anything about 8 hours? If people work 8 hours and sleep 8 hours, then the remaining time is 8 hours or less. And travel to/from work for 1-2 hours. And do your shopping. And don't spend all your free time at home. But, enough. I've pointed something out, you choose not to acknowledge it. That's fine - I don't want this to degenerate as these conversations almost always do, so I shall leave you to it. |
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On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 07:20:19 +1200, "Ashley"
wrote: And travel to/from work for 1-2 hours. And do your shopping. And don't spend all your free time at home. Well, if you aren't at home much, why would you even consider letting your cat outside. You'd only see them for a couple hours at best. You have implied on many occasions that you see your cat as much as indoor only people see theirs. And then you go onto say that your cats are indoor cats during the winter. All I did was point out the holes in your claim. But, enough. I've pointed something out, you choose not to acknowledge it. You created a false situation, and I pointed it. Try again with a real situation. After all your claims of no dangers and plenty of time spent with your cats, you then claimed that your cat is indoor. Do you really expect us to believe that? -- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com |
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"Meghan Noecker" wrote in message news:d3a53u$eeu$1$ If a cat prefers to poo outdoors then in normal health circumstances or a bit loose , it can/will hold on if it wants but I'm still a bit doubtful that if a cat had the runs bad it can hold it over night. Overnight? I thought all the outdoor people said they have kitty litters in the house !?! Why would the cat have to wait overnight? The cat doesn't *have* to wait overnight. Go back and read Phils and my posts again. BTW Not *all* I/O owners have cat trays. I never said that and as far as I know , no one else has. Alison |
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"Meghan Noecker" wrote in message ... On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 07:20:19 +1200, "Ashley" After all your claims of no dangers I have claimed no such thing. you then claimed that your cat is indoor. I have claimed no such thing. |
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"Ashley" wrote in message ... "Meghan Noecker" wrote in message ... On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 07:20:19 +1200, "Ashley" After all your claims of no dangers I have claimed no such thing. you then claimed that your cat is indoor. I have claimed no such thing. lol! |
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"Alison" wrote in message ... " The cat doesn't *have* to wait overnight. Go back and read Phils and my posts again. BTW Not *all* I/O owners have cat trays. I never said that and as far as I know , no one else has. Alison Sorry if this sounds a bit terse. I should have put a smiley in it somewhere. Alison |
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"Alison" wrote in message ... "Phil P." wrote in message nk.net... ...and that's very important. In addition to not noticing a urinary tract obstruction, a chronically constipated cat can develop megacolon - which often requires surgery to remove a large section of the colon.. Also how about tumours in the rectum, that would make a cat strain? Yea, as well as colonic neoplasia or polyp, rectal stricture, rectal foreign body, rectal prolapse - even excessive fiber. Back to square one. An indoor owner is more likely to notice elimination problems than an owner whose cat eliminates outdoors and out of sight and sound - indoor owners would also hear cries of pain whereas an outdoor owner would not... yes I agreed that with you back at sq 1. But as I've already said , I think all cat owners should have indoor trays and be kept in at night . The cats I mean ! Bu bu but many people let their cats outdoor *because* they don't want to deal with the waste or scooping and cleaning litter boxes. Not necessarily if the cat is accustomed and prefers to eliminate outdoors. Cats have the ability to voluntarily inhibit elimination until the time and place of their choosing.. If a cat prefers to poo outdoors then in normal health circumstances or a bit loose , it can/will hold on if it wants but I'm still a bit doubtful that if a cat had the runs bad it can hold it over night. My experience has been they poo on the carpet , tray or not ! Many cats will hold it in. But this doesn't answer the question about constipation..... I'm just a volunteer in a shelter rescue org, but I have a small in-house lab for minor tests and a small clinic for nursing and rehabilitating sick cats, and holding ferals after neutering. I also manage feral colonies.. How do you stop bringing all the cats home? Its getting more and more difficult for me to release ferals after neutering. Our shelter cats, however, are 'home'. They have their own little communities and culture and best buds and not a worry in the world for the rest of their lives. Sometimes, it actually saddens me to home a cat and break up their relationships -- its very obvious that some cats actually morn the loss of a close buddy - they don't know he's gone to a new home - all they know is he's gone. Then I have to worry about the adoptive - might turn out to be an idiot like Kagis. At least I know the cats are safe and receive the best medical care at the shelter. I always respected your medical knowledge , if I needed to know anything I would ask you. Thanks. One of the by-products of shelter/feral work is that you have to deal with many diseases and injuries that many owners and vets have not and will not ever see - especially in a neighborhood practice. I'm going to put these points together and post around my cat forums to give people an idea what to look out for. Alison Great idea. Maybe some of these points will make a few people think twice about swinging open the door. Phil |
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"CatNipped" wrote in message ... "Phil P." wrote in message nk.net... I'm just a volunteer in a shelter rescue org, but I have a small in-house lab for minor tests and a small clinic for nursing and rehabilitating sick cats, and holding ferals after neutering. I also manage feral colonies. Phil Don't say "just" - you do more for cats than 99.9999999% of cat owners or cat lovers. I just don't have the emotional fortitude to work with sick or unwanted cats, I couldn't live with myself if I didn't. Maybe I was a cat in a previous life... so I assuage my guilt over this by giving money. You're helping to save lives - You're part of the solution! ;-) But I have *SO* much respect for those who can and do work untiringly and unstintingly to help those cats everyone else sees as "throw-away" lives! I'll tell you this - working with these creatures and seeing their lives, changes your feelings about people in general... and not for the better. Phil |
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"Phil P." wrote yes I agreed that with you back at sq 1. But as I've already said , I think all cat owners should have indoor trays and be kept in at night . The cats I mean ! Bu bu but many people let their cats outdoor *because* they don't want to deal with the waste or scooping and cleaning litter boxes. This has to be true, particularly since nobody will admit to it. |
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"Phil P." wrote But I have *SO* much respect for those who can and do work untiringly and unstintingly to help those cats everyone else sees as "throw-away" lives! I'll tell you this - working with these creatures and seeing their lives, changes your feelings about people in general... and not for the better. I imagine that is true. There are many other endeavors that have the same effect. |
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