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"Cat Protector" wrote in message newsxa9b.3960$v%5.1088@fed1read02... I think you worry far too much about this subject. Nobody mentioned anything about the pentagram being specifically for devil worship although it has been used as a symbol for it as well as paganism. It is a tool and it can be used for bad or good. You need to have a sense of humor here though. That's crap. The pentagram is not a tool...it is a symbol. It's history, the reason it came into being has nothing to do with "bad". I don't see you joke about burning crosses to scare off JW. You didn't specifically link the pentagram with devil worship but you sure as heck implied it. You listed all kinds of satanistic excuses the last one being "didn't you see the pentagram". That links them...particularly for the uninformed..of which I now count you as a member. For the record, devil worshippers do not use a pentagram as a symbol. They some times use and inverted pentagram.. with the point at the bottom just like they sometimes use an inverted cross. This is to promote the "anti" attitude of the symbol. AG |
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Nobody mentioned slavery or the whole race issue but you seem to want to
take things out of context and turn it into something about you. Are you offended by my having a black cat? The whole post was humorous and that was all it was. It seems to me you want to take something that isn't there and make a whole issue out of it. You need to learn to relax here and maybe laugh a little. As for discimination, I have faced it but I also know when some things were meant as a joke. The original posting that I made was meant for humor. It seems most here got that but you insist it was nothing more than a ruthless attempt to pick on Pagans (which were never even picked on nor brought up until you mentioned them). Nobody was picking on the Pagans here so you need to learn to lighten up. There is also a not anti-Pagan campaign here either but you seem to want fight something that isn't there. Personally, I got nothing against them. Of course here is something that may shock and upset you. I have a black cat and I consider all black cats as being a symbol of good luck. BTW, I have known those who practice both Paganism and Wicca and am well versed on what the pentagram symbolizes but satanists also seem to use it as a symbol. One thing I know for sure is that most of those practictioners have a sense of humor and have laughed at some of the jokes. Why? Because they are human and are quite confident in themselves and their practice. They also try to spread postive and not negative. And when faced with negative they try to turn it into positive. You can try to turn this into a flame war if you want to but no ill will was meant here. It was humor. Nothing more and nothing less. What does W.A.R.D. supposed mean anyway? BTW, for those who have non-black cats I am also a member of your society as well as I also have a diluted Tabby. If Agua girl or anyone else wants to be mad about that then there is nothing I can do here. I am simply a cat lover and servent to two cats. -- Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com "Agua Girl" wrote in message ... Yeah, and a lot of African Americans don't have a sense of humor about that whole slavery thing. You are more a part of the problem then you seem willing to acknowledge. You talk about "scaring away" JW by mentioning goats blood and pentagrams. You don't think that is implying that pentagrams and sacrificing and devil worship are some how linked. Maybe my "sense" of humor wouldn't be tested if closed minded and big mouthed individuals didn't go around spreading the same kind of crap that you are "joking" about. Obviously you haven't been the victim of real discrimination... born of ignorance. If you had..you wouldn't have found it any funnier than I did. Get informed. You can start with W.A.R.D. AG |
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In a way it was. I have tried to point this out to Agua Girl but she seems
to want to insist that I have this strong hatred (which I do not) for Pagans. -- Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com "nimue" wrote in message .. . I *think* that those were jokes meant to mock the ignorance Cat Protector believes the Jehovah's Witnesses exhibit. I don't think that Cat Protector really believes those things -- CP just thinks that Jehovah's Witnesses believe those things, and CP is making fun of the Jehovah's Witnesses. I don't like the JW for their frightening "rules" concerning sexual abuse and the reporting of the same. Scary. AG "Cat Protector" wrote in message news:Vx29b.3793$v%5.269@fed1read02... I am not a fan of Jehovah's Witnesses since they make it a point to come to your house to quote the bible when you clearly did not ask them to. Here are a some excuses or questions one can use to get rid of them. 1. It is time for my cat worshipping meeting. 2. I am getting ready to go out to and witness the sacrifice of a goat so I can't talk right now. 3. This household is ruled by three cats and I must bow to them. 4. I am meeting with my other religious brothers so I don't have time right now. It is also my turn to bring the goat's blood. 5. Thanks for coming but Jehovah owes me money from a previous gambling debt. Are you here to pay up? 6. The dark lord says I'll have a hard time in hell if I keep him waiting. 7. I am hosting my first orgy. Do you have any grapes? 8. Got any virgins in your group? 9. You interrupted my porno viewing and thanks to you JW's I am now sexually frustrated. 10. Didn't you see the pentagram hanging in my window? -- Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com -- nimue "Because the thing about the Nerds, what made them so appealing, was that not only are they underdogs, they are underdogs who accept other underdogs unconditionally. And that speaks volumes to people." Curtis Armstrong "I don't understand why you don't want to see more of Spike. More Spike makes everything better. Spike, Spike, Spike, wonderful Spike." Clairel "There are things I will not tolerate: students loitering on campus after school, horrible murders with hearts being removed... and also smoking." Principal Snyder |
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"Cat Protector" wrote in message news:tlf9b.4792$v%5.4247@fed1read02... Are you going to be mad at me if I say I have a black cat and I see it as a symbol of good luck? Of course not. You seem to be hell bent on proving that a simple symbol such as a pentagram can't be used for either positive or negative. Anything can be used as a symbol for positive or negative. Promoting the idea that the pentagram is some how bad and signifies something negative (as you did since you suggested using it alot with comments about goat bload and sacrifices to scare off JW) is ignorant and dangerous. The only time the pentagram is really used as a symbol by "devil worshippers" or for something bad is when it is inverted. This is done to signify the opposite of what it stands for. It's the anti symbol. This is a fact. Wrap your mind around it. Research it. Check out the differences. You can use any symbol for anything you want but that doesn't make it stand for that. Pentagrams...normal point up 5 pointed stars surrounded by a circle mean only one thing historical..and world wide. That is the symbol of earth, air, fire, water and spirit..and the circle of life. That's it. Saying...even as a joke... that having such a symbol should some how scare off JW is ignorant and promotes the idea that the symbol should be feared. Symbols can be tools as well... No...a symbol is just a symbol. A tool is something different. Check the meaning in websters. Unless you happen to have a metal pentagram that you attached the end of a stick and now use as a shovel. Then I suppose it's now a tool..... You seem to have no sense of humor here. I think you need to re-read my post because I didn't say that the pentagram was mainly a satanic symbol. You promoted it. Maybe you should re-read your post. Better yet, buy a pentagram and wear it around your neck for a week or two and watch the reactions. When you lose your job, when your landlord decides not to renew your lease, when your neighbors egg your house... then tell me how funny you find your comments. No..none of those things have happened to me but they are actual cases of religious discriminations all because someone was ignorant about what that symbol means...and your "humor" perpetuates that kind of ignorance. You can get all defensive and blame my lack of "humor" or you can get educated..your choice. BTW, I have a very good sense of humor...you just aren't funny. AG |
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"Cat Protector" wrote in message news:vIf9b.4794$v%5.3329@fed1read02... Nobody mentioned slavery or the whole race issue but you seem to want to take things out of context and turn it into something about you. Are you offended by my having a black cat? The whole post was humorous and that was all it was. It seems to me you want to take something that isn't there and make a whole issue out of it. You need to learn to relax here and maybe laugh a little. As for discimination, I have faced it but I also know when some things were meant as a joke. The original posting that I made was meant for humor. It seems most here got that but you insist it was nothing more than a ruthless attempt to pick on Pagans (which were never even picked on nor brought up until you mentioned them). Nobody was picking on the Pagans here so you need to learn to lighten up. There is also a not anti-Pagan campaign here either but you seem to want fight something that isn't there. Personally, I got nothing against them. No..I said your sense of humor perpetuates the ignorance tied to the use of a pentagram. My point was that you might laugh at a "slave" joke but I know a lot of people who wouldn't. There is a whole myth tied to the pentagram so now those people who wear it as a symbol of love of earth have to deal with the ignorant majority who continue to see it as some thing negative...which by the way was how you used it. I am not saying you are mounting a anti-pagan campaign..merely pointing out how your "jokes" are spreading ignorance. How bout those burning cross jokes huh???? what? not funny? Of course here is something that may shock and upset you. I have a black cat and I consider all black cats as being a symbol of good luck. BTW, I have known those who practice both Paganism and Wicca and am well versed on what the pentagram symbolizes but satanists also seem to use it as a symbol. First off...I have a black cat too..big deal. That's another stupid myth. Secondly, you aren't well versed in Paganism or Wicca or you wouldn't think the pentagram they use is the same as the inverted one used by the satanist. It's not the same as the star of David either in case that alluded you. One thing I know for sure is that most of those practictioners have a sense of humor and have laughed at some of the jokes. Why? Because they are human and are quite confident in themselves and their practice. They also try to spread postive and not negative. Honestly...I am one of the least "militant" people I know when it comes to this stuff. NONE of the pagans I know appreciate the continued spread of ignorance when it comes to our spirituality. Frankly..I don't think you know any practicing Wiccans. Yes, we walk in the light, are basically positive earth based persons...but having to deal with discrimination because some yahoo got the wrong idea about what a pentagram means from some stupid internet joke will make anyone a little cranky. And when faced with negative they try to turn it into positive. You can try to turn this into a flame war if you want to but no ill will was meant here. It was humor. Nothing more and nothing less. What does W.A.R.D. supposed mean anyway? Ask your witch friends. You have so many that you feel confident you know what they will find funny...should be a simple task. BTW, for those who have non-black cats I am also a member of your society as well as I also have a diluted Tabby. If Agua girl or anyone else wants to be mad about that then there is nothing I can do here. I am simply a cat lover and servent to two cats. Again...I don't care what color your cats are. You could have a pet serpent for all I care. Just stop promoting the idea..even in joke..that the pentagram is something to be feared or means something negative. That's all I asked in the first place. Your the one who got all defensive and assumed that my reaction meant I had no sense of humor. This is a religious symbol. The fact that some satanist invert it much as they do the cross doesn't mean they also "use" the symbol. You can do a lot of harm with your "jokes". If you really do have "pagan" friends then you should be willing to grow a little as a human and avoid "jokes" that could potentially harm. AG |
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Ok Agua Girl, I am under the impression you simply do not have a sense of
humor. I did not promote Pagans at all anyway. You seem to want to make more of this than is there. If any Pagans here were offended then I apologize but still it was meant as humor. As for buying a pentagram and wearing it around my neck, I am afraid it wouldn't look as good as a tattoo of one of my cats on me. As for losing a job and a landlord not renewing your lease simply because you are wearing a pentagram seems like nonsense to me. You can't blame life's misfortunes on that. When I was younger our house was toilet papered but you didn't see my cry about it. In my last apartment it was egged by kids who were trouble for the whole complex. I didn't cry about it then either. They ended up getting kicked out of their apartment. Typical life stuff that happens. You say I am not funny but of course you seem to be showing a lack of sense of humor and trying to lable me as ignorant or a bad person. Is it a part of your religion or practice to pass judgment on others? I bet if someone said they worshipped cats you'd find a problem with that, right? -- Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com "Agua Girl" wrote in message ... You promoted it. Maybe you should re-read your post. Better yet, buy a pentagram and wear it around your neck for a week or two and watch the reactions. When you lose your job, when your landlord decides not to renew your lease, when your neighbors egg your house... then tell me how funny you find your comments. No..none of those things have happened to me but they are actual cases of religious discriminations all because someone was ignorant about what that symbol means...and your "humor" perpetuates that kind of ignorance. You can get all defensive and blame my lack of "humor" or you can get educated..your choice. BTW, I have a very good sense of humor...you just aren't funny. AG |
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Cross burning jokes? You have a cross to bear lady? I am so glad you feel
that you must be the know-it-all in everything Pagan but you are incorrect about the Pentagram. It is used as a symbol by Wiccans (which is a Paganistic religion), Pagans and of course satanists. You mention the Star of David which is a Jewish symbol so I guess now you have problem with Jews now right? I have to admit you are certainly entertaining all of us by your left wing posts. You say you are one of the less militant people regarding this stuff yet you have no problem ruthlessly attacking people and call them ignorant or making them out to be the bad guys here when a pentagram is mentioned in a joke. You claim I don't know any practicing Wiccans but you would be incorrect. Get off the warpath here Agua Girl. No harm was even intented to Pagans but yet you seem to insist that it was. Sheesh! Should all of us humans be just like you and totally put an end to humor? But of course that would be offensive to comedians and clowns. -- Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com "Agua Girl" wrote in message ... No..I said your sense of humor perpetuates the ignorance tied to the use of a pentagram. My point was that you might laugh at a "slave" joke but I know a lot of people who wouldn't. There is a whole myth tied to the pentagram so now those people who wear it as a symbol of love of earth have to deal with the ignorant majority who continue to see it as some thing negative...which by the way was how you used it. I am not saying you are mounting a anti-pagan campaign..merely pointing out how your "jokes" are spreading ignorance. How bout those burning cross jokes huh???? what? not funny? First off...I have a black cat too..big deal. That's another stupid myth. Secondly, you aren't well versed in Paganism or Wicca or you wouldn't think the pentagram they use is the same as the inverted one used by the satanist. It's not the same as the star of David either in case that alluded you. Honestly...I am one of the least "militant" people I know when it comes to this stuff. NONE of the pagans I know appreciate the continued spread of ignorance when it comes to our spirituality. Frankly..I don't think you know any practicing Wiccans. Yes, we walk in the light, are basically positive earth based persons...but having to deal with discrimination because some yahoo got the wrong idea about what a pentagram means from some stupid internet joke will make anyone a little cranky. Ask your witch friends. You have so many that you feel confident you know what they will find funny...should be a simple task. BTW, for those who have non-black cats I am also a member of your society as well as I also have a diluted Tabby. If Agua girl or anyone else wants to be mad about that then there is nothing I can do here. I am simply a cat lover and servent to two cats. Again...I don't care what color your cats are. You could have a pet serpent for all I care. Just stop promoting the idea..even in joke..that the pentagram is something to be feared or means something negative. That's all I asked in the first place. Your the one who got all defensive and assumed that my reaction meant I had no sense of humor. This is a religious symbol. The fact that some satanist invert it much as they do the cross doesn't mean they also "use" the symbol. You can do a lot of harm with your "jokes". If you really do have "pagan" friends then you should be willing to grow a little as a human and avoid "jokes" that could potentially harm. AG |
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"Cat Protector" wrote in message news:fpg9b.4798$v%5.3384@fed1read02... Cross burning jokes? You have a cross to bear lady? I am so glad you feel that you must be the know-it-all in everything Pagan but you are incorrect about the Pentagram. It is used as a symbol by Wiccans (which is a Paganistic religion), Pagans and of course satanists. You mention the Star of David which is a Jewish symbol so I guess now you have problem with Jews now right? I have to admit you are certainly entertaining all of us by your left wing posts. You say you are one of the less militant people regarding this stuff yet you have no problem ruthlessly attacking people and call them ignorant or making them out to be the bad guys here when a pentagram is mentioned in a joke. You claim I don't know any practicing Wiccans but you would be incorrect. Get off the warpath here Agua Girl. No harm was even intented to Pagans but yet you seem to insist that it was. Sheesh! Should all of us humans be just like you and totally put an end to humor? But of course that would be offensive to comedians and clowns. Ignorance is the lack of knowledge. There is nothing wrong with being ignorant..we can't all know everything. The problem is with allowing ignorance to continue. I don't have a cross to bear....but you do. (btw..you missed the point of that completely) You seem to think that continuing to spread ignorance through what you see as harmless jokes should be fine. I offered you the chance to right a wrong..to stop spreading myths and you got offended. I suggested you get informed..and you got indignant. Go to a website on paganism and look at their pentacle or pentagram than go to a devil worship site and look at theirs. They aren't the same. The reason I brought up the star of David is because it also looks similar..but it isn't. You don't want to accept the truth of your ignorance or lack of knowledge and that shows more than ignorance.... I thought at first no harm was intended...and my response was to let you know that religious persecution does indeed exist. People really do lose their jobs and their apartments for NO REASON other than their religious leanings. That spreading myths does indeed harm no matter what the intent. When someone says "ow, your standing on my foot"..the proper response is to apologize and back up. Not explain how you didn't mean to...blame the person for lacking hard feet and then go on complaining about how everyone has big feet. (that was a metaphor for stepping on my religion in case you didn't get it). Whatever. You obviously don't care to correct your lack of knowledge or even accept that your "jokes" are spreading a myth that to this day is harmful. I shudder to think what else you find funny. To that end... I am done. You can't inform those that bask in their ignorance and wear stupidity like a cloak. plonk AG |
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I know what ignorance means but you seem to want to turn this whole thing
into something about you. Stop painting a picture that isn't there. I guess none of us can be as perfect as you. Nobody was picking on Pagans here. You were the who threw that one in and got all mad over something that was not even there. Are you in need of a spotlight here? I highly doubt people lose their homes over something like religion. If that were true, I think would think millions in this country would have been denied housing a long time ago. There is always a reason things happen but I am not going to cry and say religion is what caused all of my problems. You seem to mention the Star of David as being similar or looking similar to the Pentagram. How is that possible? They look nothing alike. I find it a bit interesting that you turned something humorous into a sudden campaign that everyone hates Pagans. were never mentioned in the original post. Of course one mention of the Pentagram which you say is just a symbol and all of a sudden you get mad and say the joke must be anti-Pagan. No offense was intended here. I am not ignorant here but it seems to me you wish to lay judgment here. Who gave you that right? Isn't laying judgment on another against the Pagan way? You suggest that I go to Web Sites about Paganism but maybe it is you that needs to do this. Nobody was spreading myths here. Nobody wasn't picking on Pagans here. You decided to make a mountain out of a non-existant mole hill here. I could go round and round about this with you but apparently you are just going to keep turning this into something about you and that the rest of us are stupid and ignorant. I am not as perfect as you so I will have to live with that fact. I am so sorry I disappointed you with having a sense of humor. I guess I will just be serious all the time and try never to say or use the word Pentagram in any sentance or conversation again. Also if you wish, we can also remove the word from the dictionary, encyclopedia and all other books. This way nobody can ever use it in a joke again. Yes, this was sarcasm and no it was not intended to pick on or offend Pagans, Wiccans or any other religion. I have apologized in one of my previous posts if any Pagans were offended but it apparently escaped Agua Girl who now has the right to judge other people and beat the hell out of this thread. She has shown us the way that humor has no place anywhere and for that we can either thank her or not. Into the killfile she goes and once again we can get back on the track about cats. "Agua Girl" wrote in message ... Ignorance is the lack of knowledge. There is nothing wrong with being ignorant..we can't all know everything. The problem is with allowing ignorance to continue. I don't have a cross to bear....but you do. (btw..you missed the point of that completely) You seem to think that continuing to spread ignorance through what you see as harmless jokes should be fine. I offered you the chance to right a wrong..to stop spreading myths and you got offended. I suggested you get informed..and you got indignant. Go to a website on paganism and look at their pentacle or pentagram than go to a devil worship site and look at theirs. They aren't the same. The reason I brought up the star of David is because it also looks similar..but it isn't. You don't want to accept the truth of your ignorance or lack of knowledge and that shows more than ignorance.... I thought at first no harm was intended...and my response was to let you know that religious persecution does indeed exist. People really do lose their jobs and their apartments for NO REASON other than their religious leanings. That spreading myths does indeed harm no matter what the intent. When someone says "ow, your standing on my foot"..the proper response is to apologize and back up. Not explain how you didn't mean to...blame the person for lacking hard feet and then go on complaining about how everyone has big feet. (that was a metaphor for stepping on my religion in case you didn't get it). Whatever. You obviously don't care to correct your lack of knowledge or even accept that your "jokes" are spreading a myth that to this day is harmful. I shudder to think what else you find funny. To that end... I am done. You can't inform those that bask in their ignorance and wear stupidity like a cloak. plonk AG |
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In rec.pets.cats.rescue Cat Protector wrote:
Nobody was picking on Pagans here. Making use of stereotypes about Pagans could certainly be interpretted as "picking on" them. I found myself somewhat bothered by the post in question myself. And I'm not even Pagan! You seem to mention the Star of David as being similar or looking similar to the Pentagram. How is that possible? They look nothing alike. IIRC, the comparison was to the stars in the US flag. And she's spot on with that. I think a little sensitivity towards a group of religions which has been traditionally discriminated against would be in order. Priscilla, who's learned what the five points of the pentagram stand for, thanks to this thread! |
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