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Old February 19th 05, 05:16 AM
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-L. wrote:

WHY does there "need" to be a separation of church and state,

again?
That is found nowhere in the Constitution and in fact, the 1st
Amendment to that document guarantees all of us the Freedom OF
Religion, not the freedom FROM religion.


*Oh Sweet Cream of Jesus over Noodles! Freedom OF religion includes
freedom FROM religion. Atheism is a valid belief system that differs
from Christianity ONLY because it rejects one more religion than
Christianity does (that *being* Christianity!)


Perhaps a history lesson is in store for you. The first amendment
guarantees individuals the right to practice their religion. It does
not guarantee that you will never be exposed to other individuals
practicing their religion. If you want to be an atheist, I have no
problem with that. There's much about the natural world, that you
cannot explain, but that's a whole other subject!


There is nothing wrong with
prayer in schools, it doesn't cause anybody bodily harm.


There is *everything* wrong with prayer in public schools. I pay for
those schools. Keep your Bible out of my school. besides, I can

give
you oodles of examples of people being harmed by religion. If you

want
to pray, do it in your private school.


As long as public dollars are funding the failing government schools,
then there will be things allowed that not EVERYBODY will agree with.
You still haven't listed one, single thing that is bad about prayer in
school...other than you don't like it. That's not good enough. As for
people being harmed by religion, I'll bet you can only point to
extreme, religious zealots. The world is full of whackjobs, you know.
(Some of whom frequent this ng)




There is
nothing wrong with mentioning Christmas in public, there is nothing
wrong with displaying a menorah or a nativity scene in public on

public
property. It's called PUBLIC property for a reason.


Yep. And so you have to give the same rights to the Satanists, the

KKK
and anyone else who wants to display anything they deem a religious
artifact. Live sacrifice of animals - yep, that has to be allowed as
well. The "taking" a virgin by a religious leader - yep, that has to
be allwed as well. Go ahead and put up your cross and I can

guarantee
you will start a squaking when the Satanists start up their public
display.


You can't just "make up" your own religion. And you can't break
existing laws (animal torture, murder, etc.) to justify your bad
behavior. Next?

There are a lot more Christians than there are people who worship
Satan, and THANK GOD for that...wouldn't you agree?! (a little mention
to the Almighty, there....just to tick you off and demonstrate the
freedoms that I have in this country) And no, that didn't harm
anybody!

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Old February 19th 05, 05:17 AM
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-L. wrote:
Cat Protector wrote:
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If a candidate tells me they are a cat lover but yet are weak on
the issues then I don't think that it would be enough to get my

vote.

Particularly with something as serious as prayer in schools.

-L.


Oooh yeah....that's a real serious issue. tongue firmly in cheek

Don't you think there are more serious issues facing us right now? Get
a grip!

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Old February 19th 05, 05:24 AM
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kitkat wrote:
gaubster2 wrote:
For whatever reason, the left likes to
discriminate against Christianity, but not any other religion.

Your
post above makes it clear that you have a problem with

Christianity,
specifically. Do you have a problem with people of other faiths,

or
are you just intolerant in that one area?


my 2 cents? if more christians practiced true christianity as JC
envisioned it...the world would be a much better place. of course,

the
same goes for a fanatic of any religion. but really, IMO, i have much


less of a problem with the actual religion than I do with those who
claim to practice it.

pam



I can't disagree with you there. People are fallable, for sure. My
mother is one of those people who pushes her religious views on
everybody and it turns people off...me, included. That being said, I
don't have a problem with religion in general and I just can't get all
up in arms if somebody gives a brief benediction at a football game or
a high school graduation. I really don't see the harm, other than the
intolerant ones among us think that they shouldn't be offended, ever.
Those people need to grow up!

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Old February 19th 05, 05:33 AM
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gaubster2 wrote:
kitkat wrote:

gaubster2 wrote:

For whatever reason, the left likes to
discriminate against Christianity, but not any other religion.


Your

post above makes it clear that you have a problem with


Christianity,

specifically. Do you have a problem with people of other faiths,


or

are you just intolerant in that one area?


my 2 cents? if more christians practiced true christianity as JC
envisioned it...the world would be a much better place. of course,


the

same goes for a fanatic of any religion. but really, IMO, i have much



less of a problem with the actual religion than I do with those who
claim to practice it.

pam




I can't disagree with you there. People are fallable, for sure. My
mother is one of those people who pushes her religious views on
everybody and it turns people off...me, included. That being said, I
don't have a problem with religion in general and I just can't get all
up in arms if somebody gives a brief benediction at a football game or
a high school graduation. I really don't see the harm, other than the
intolerant ones among us think that they shouldn't be offended, ever.
Those people need to grow up!


I'll just add this: I am a school teacher and I feel that a
"benediction" has no place at a football game or a graduation. It has
nothing to do with what is happening and is likely to make some of our
young people uncomfortable. I would not be ANY more comfortable if a
rabbi came to my school and we prayed in hebrew. (I am Jewish.) It has
nothing to do with a specific religion...it just has no place in our
schools. You say those people need to grow up...and you are right...at
least in terms of schools. Those *are* KIDS we are teaching...and they
are very impressionable...and religion should be saved for homelife. And
if homelife dictates religion should be part of school life...then that
school should be a parochial one. I do not think I am intolerant. I
think I am respectful of the MANY kinds of people I am surrounded by on
a given day.

Pam
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Old February 19th 05, 05:39 AM
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gaubster2 wrote:


As long as public dollars are funding the failing government schools,
then there will be things allowed that not EVERYBODY will agree with.
You still haven't listed one, single thing that is bad about prayer in
school...other than you don't like it. That's not good enough. As for
people being harmed by religion, I'll bet you can only point to
extreme, religious zealots. The world is full of whackjobs, you know.
(Some of whom frequent this ng)


I'll give you a reason why prayer doesn't belong in school. It has
nothing TO DO with school. And that being said, if a students wishes to
pray in school...he or she can do so quietly without interrupting the
flow of what is going on there in the first place...EDUCATION. I don't
think "prayer is bad" in school...I just don't think it BELONGS there.
We are trying to teach our children that there is a time and place for
everything. Practicing religion is one of those things.

You can't just "make up" your own religion. And you can't break
existing laws (animal torture, murder, etc.) to justify your bad
behavior. Next?

There are a lot more Christians than there are people who worship
Satan, and THANK GOD for that...wouldn't you agree?! (a little mention
to the Almighty, there....just to tick you off and demonstrate the
freedoms that I have in this country) And no, that didn't harm
anybody!


Well at SOME point...all religions were "made up"...weren't they? And if
you cant break existing laws in the name of your religion...what do the
crazy killers of abortion doctors use as their excuse?! Just *one*
example...in a sea of examples...

Most people won't get ticked off if you mention God. It is, however, a
completely different thing if you make an entire class of children stop
in the midst of their SCHOOL DAY to recognize a god they may or MAY NOT
believe in.

Pam
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Old February 19th 05, 05:55 AM
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"kitkat" wrote in message
. com...
gaubster2 wrote:


As long as public dollars are funding the failing government schools,
then there will be things allowed that not EVERYBODY will agree with.
You still haven't listed one, single thing that is bad about prayer in
school...other than you don't like it. That's not good enough. As for
people being harmed by religion, I'll bet you can only point to
extreme, religious zealots. The world is full of whackjobs, you know.
(Some of whom frequent this ng)


I'll give you a reason why prayer doesn't belong in school. It has
nothing TO DO with school. And that being said, if a students wishes to
pray in school...he or she can do so quietly without interrupting the
flow of what is going on there in the first place...EDUCATION. I don't
think "prayer is bad" in school...I just don't think it BELONGS there.
We are trying to teach our children that there is a time and place for
everything. Practicing religion is one of those things.


Heh, exactly what I was thinking. I didn't become a teacher to promote the
practice of religion. In Social Studies, while teaching about world
communities, I can & should teach the existence of various religions - on a
basic level, considering I teach 7 - 9 yr. olds, but that's it. Practicing
any given religion w/ the kids is up to the children's parents & guardians.

Cathy


You can't just "make up" your own religion. And you can't break
existing laws (animal torture, murder, etc.) to justify your bad
behavior. Next?

There are a lot more Christians than there are people who worship
Satan, and THANK GOD for that...wouldn't you agree?! (a little mention
to the Almighty, there....just to tick you off and demonstrate the
freedoms that I have in this country) And no, that didn't harm
anybody!


Well at SOME point...all religions were "made up"...weren't they? And if
you cant break existing laws in the name of your religion...what do the
crazy killers of abortion doctors use as their excuse?! Just *one*
example...in a sea of examples...

Most people won't get ticked off if you mention God. It is, however, a
completely different thing if you make an entire class of children stop
in the midst of their SCHOOL DAY to recognize a god they may or MAY NOT
believe in.

Pam



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Old February 19th 05, 06:00 AM
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Keeping telling yourself I'm a liar, if it helps you deal with what a
pathetic LOSER you are, LOL. But the truth is you're once again
telling people your way is the only way. Get a grip. Your belief
system, and religion, is not the only one. This world is made up of
many different kinds of people (unfortunately you're one of them).
Religion does not belong in the government or in public schools.

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Old February 19th 05, 06:01 AM
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Cathy Friedmann wrote:

"gaubster2" wrote in message
ps.com...
WHY does there "need" to be a separation of church and state,

again?
That is found nowhere in the Constitution and in fact, the 1st
Amendment to that document guarantees all of us the Freedom OF
Religion, not the freedom FROM religion. There is nothing wrong

with
prayer in schools, it doesn't cause anybody bodily harm.


What? You have to physically harm a person in order for any harm to

be
done??


What kind of harm are you referencing? Property rights?



I have no
problem with a moment of silence in public school so the kids can

silently
pray, meditate, collect their thoughts, or do nothing. I have a

BIG
problem
with an out-loud prayer or the teacher saying "let's pray".


Yep & yep.

Cathy


Yeah, because that is SOOOOOOOO dangerous! Not.

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Old February 19th 05, 06:03 AM
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gaubster2 wrote:



Yeah, because that is SOOOOOOOO dangerous! Not.


Just because something isnt inherently dangerous does NOT mean that it
is appropriate.

Pam
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Old February 19th 05, 06:24 AM
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"gaubster2" wrote in message
oups.com...

Cathy Friedmann wrote:

"gaubster2" wrote in message
ps.com...
WHY does there "need" to be a separation of church and state,

again?
That is found nowhere in the Constitution and in fact, the 1st
Amendment to that document guarantees all of us the Freedom OF
Religion, not the freedom FROM religion. There is nothing wrong

with
prayer in schools, it doesn't cause anybody bodily harm.


What? You have to physically harm a person in order for any harm to

be
done??


What kind of harm are you referencing? Property rights?


You think the only way to harm a person is via physical harm? (Hint: you
used the word "bodily".)

You don't think there's anything wrong w/ promoting prayer in the public
schools because it would coincide with *your* personal beliefs. Nevermind
the fact that it wouldn't coincide with many *other* people's beliefs. If
it's good enough for you, it's good enough for all? (That's a rhetorical
question, & the answer is nope.)

It appears that you aren't considering the fact that the public is extremely
diverse in its beliefs, & their tax dollars are funding the public schools.
Not only is not everyone religious, but of those who are religious, not
everyone is Christian (gasp!).

Nevermind the fact that public schools are secular places, not religious
ones. If you want prayer in school, & if you prefer that prayer to be
Christian oriented, then feel free to support private Christian schools. No
problem there.

I have no
problem with a moment of silence in public school so the kids can

silently
pray, meditate, collect their thoughts, or do nothing. I have a

BIG
problem
with an out-loud prayer or the teacher saying "let's pray".


Yep & yep.

Cathy


Yeah, because that is SOOOOOOOO dangerous! Not.


See above. The public schools are secular. Secular, not religious.
Separation of Church & State, you know??

Cathy


 




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