Declawing and Apartments

"Brandy Alexandre" wrote in message
...
I know we split on this issue about declawing, but I was curious as
to
your thoughts about renting to cats. I am happy to report that Kami
and I will be moving into a very nice apartment community. My
deposit
was $100, hers $300 even though she is declaw. The thing is, the
community requires cats to be declawed and they check! They asked
us
to stop by the office at our earliest convenience so they can "meet"
her. (Why they can't just drop by the apartment I have no idea.)

I rather think that you and your new landlords deserve one another. I
do feel sorry for Kami, on the other hand.

In article ,
Â* enlightened us with...
I know we split on this issue about declawing, but I was curious as to
your thoughts about renting to cats. I am happy to report that Kami
and I will be moving into a very nice apartment community. My deposit
was $100, hers $300 even though she is declaw. The thing is, the
community requires cats to be declawed and they check! They asked us
to stop by the office at our earliest convenience so they can "meet"
her. (Why they can't just drop by the apartment I have no idea.)


That, sadly, is the case at many apartments around here. Declaw
required.
If people with cats stopped renting from those places, maybe they'd get
the idea that they shouldn't do that. Those people never listen to
reason. The fact is, a trained, clawed cat does a lot less damage than
say, a declawed cat who has litterbox issues. The owner should have to
pay for any damage their pet does. If the owner does pay for damage,
what should the landlord care if the cat is clawed? But, they don't
listen. So, vote with your feet and money - don't rent at these places.

This got me thinking about the West Hollywood issue. Many places in
West Hollywood are upscale and high rent. I know for a fact that some
require cats to be declawed. How does that work in the face of the
fact that declawing in West Hollywood is illegal? Wouldn't you think
that as a city that supposedly abhors declawing to the extent of
legislature it would make the requirement for it within its city limits
illegal as well?

That is way too logical for Hollywood.

-------------------------------------------------
~kaeli~
Jesus saves, Allah protects, and Cthulhu
thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace
-------------------------------------------------

From: kaeli

That, sadly, is the case at many apartments around here. Declaw
required.
If people with cats stopped renting from those places, maybe they'd get
the idea that they shouldn't do that.

I totally agree. Interestingly, a friend of mine printed out some information
she got from the internet on declawing, and showed it to her prospective
landlord. The landlord actually had no idea that declawing involved amputation
of the ends of the cat's toes. He agreed to rent to my friend so long as she
kept the claws clipped and there was no damage to the apartment. She also had
to pay some kind of damage deposit. In my experience, it's children and dogs
that cause much more damage than cats.

Lauren
________
See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

From: kaeli

That, sadly, is the case at many apartments around here. Declaw
required.
If people with cats stopped renting from those places, maybe they'd get
the idea that they shouldn't do that.

I totally agree. Interestingly, a friend of mine printed out some information
she got from the internet on declawing, and showed it to her prospective
landlord. The landlord actually had no idea that declawing involved amputation
of the ends of the cat's toes. He agreed to rent to my friend so long as she
kept the claws clipped and there was no damage to the apartment. She also had
to pay some kind of damage deposit. In my experience, it's children and dogs
that cause much more damage than cats.

Lauren
________
See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

in article , BrandyÂ*Alexandre at
? wrote on 10/15/03 12:32 AM:

I know we split on this issue about declawing, but I was curious as to
your thoughts about renting to cats. I am happy to report that Kami
and I will be moving into a very nice apartment community. My deposit
was $100, hers $300 even though she is declaw. The thing is, the
community requires cats to be declawed and they check! They asked us
to stop by the office at our earliest convenience so they can "meet"
her. (Why they can't just drop by the apartment I have no idea.)

This got me thinking about the West Hollywood issue. Many places in
West Hollywood are upscale and high rent. I know for a fact that some
require cats to be declawed. How does that work in the face of the
fact that declawing in West Hollywood is illegal? Wouldn't you think
that as a city that supposedly abhors declawing to the extent of
legislature it would make the requirement for it within its city limits
illegal as well?

My apartment complex had the same rule. Others I just said "No way" to. I
always offered more deposit and told them about cat furniture and clipping.
This one, the manager said she accepted a double pet deposit. 100 on each
cat and 100 for claws. So I paid a 600 dollar pet deposit with half of it
refundable (the part for being clawed cats). You *have* to ask, because some
will make allowances like this. I now live in one of the nicest apartments
in the city.

Karen

Hi Brandy ,
I really don't understand why landlords insists on cats being declaws
.. They're cats not tigers , they're not going to rip through walls or
something . Things like wallpaper and furntiure can be replaced.

--
Alison

"Brandy Alexandre" wrote in message
...
I know we split on this issue about declawing, but I was curious as
to
your thoughts about renting to cats. I am happy to report that Kami
and I will be moving into a very nice apartment community. My
deposit
was $100, hers $300 even though she is declaw. The thing is, the
community requires cats to be declawed and they check! They asked
us
to stop by the office at our earliest convenience so they can "meet"
her. (Why they can't just drop by the apartment I have no idea.)

This got me thinking about the West Hollywood issue. Many places in
West Hollywood are upscale and high rent. I know for a fact that
some
require cats to be declawed. How does that work in the face of the
fact that declawing in West Hollywood is illegal? Wouldn't you
think
that as a city that supposedly abhors declawing to the extent of
legislature it would make the requirement for it within its city
limits
illegal as well?

--
Brandy Alexandre®
http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx
Well, would you?

"Brandy Alexandre" wrote in message
...
I know we split on this issue about declawing, but I was curious as
to
your thoughts about renting to cats. I am happy to report that Kami
and I will be moving into a very nice apartment community. My
deposit
was $100, hers $300 even though she is declaw. The thing is, the
community requires cats to be declawed and they check! They asked
us
to stop by the office at our earliest convenience so they can "meet"
her. (Why they can't just drop by the apartment I have no idea.)

I rather think that you and your new landlords deserve one another. I
do feel sorry for Kami, on the other hand.

BrandyÂ*Alexandre" Â* wrote:

This got me thinking about the West Hollywood issue. Many places in
West Hollywood are upscale and high rent. I know for a fact that some
require cats to be declawed. How does that work in the face of the
fact that declawing in West Hollywood is illegal? Wouldn't you think
that as a city that supposedly abhors declawing to the extent of
legislature it would make the requirement for it within its city limits
illegal as well?

Perhaps they will, although landlords can generally make any sort of
restriction they want, as long as it is not prohibited by anti-discrimination
laws.

When I was a renter, I just didn't consider any rental that required declawing
(not that many did back then) just as I would simply not consider any rental
that did not allow pets.

The HSUS has tips on finding pet-friendly apartments and dealing with landlord
concerns: http://www.hsus.org/ace/11866

The HSUS opposes declawing when done for the convenience of the caregiver or
the rental managers.

I would NEVER declaw my cats and in general I am against the procedure.
I have some good friends who have two declawed cats. The cats seem
completely normal and have no behavior problems so it would seem that a
lot of the comments about problems are overstated.


-MIKE

In article ,
enlightened us with...
I would NEVER declaw my cats and in general I am against the procedure.
I have some good friends who have two declawed cats. The cats seem
completely normal and have no behavior problems so it would seem that a
lot of the comments about problems are overstated.



Only a relatively few people had to die from Phen-fen (sp?) before they
banned that. Same for that herb that caused heart problems. Same for
silicone breast implants. How many people have to have problems before a
procedure or drug is banned? Not too many, really.

Same for cats - just because the majority of cats don't have massive
problems with declawing doesn't mean it's an okay thing to do. We don't
even have reliable stats for complications - people only report really
bad problems (usually from botched surgery). How many cats had behavior
problems or complications years after the procedure that no one ever
found out about? Inappropriate urination, aggressive behavior, back
problems, leg problems, arthritis, or other joint pain late in life? We
might never know - no one has done extensive studies with large samples.
There's a few studies out there, but most have only a couple hundred
subjects at most and don't follow them throughout life to see if, say,
declawing causes joint degeneration after age 8. We have no idea what
the effects REALLY are.

And honestly - is there ANY justifiable reason to cut off an animal's
toes?? Even if it didn't harm a single cat, could you really justify
that as perfectly fine? We don't go around thinking the removal of a
dog's vocal chords is perfectly fine (well, most of us, anyway).

-------------------------------------------------
~kaeli~
Jesus saves, Allah protects, and Cthulhu
thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace
-------------------------------------------------