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On Dec 12, 10:34*pm, "Yowie"
wrote: Not wanting to enter (or start!) a flamefest, but I would not let my cats attract attention in physically injurous ways either. Meowing loudly and getting in my face are annoying enough, I am *not* going to let them think thats its in any way OK to hurt me or mine on purpose (and fairs fair, if one of the two-foots hurts either of them accidently we get a swift bite or nasty scratch for our trouble to let them know that they dont' think being hurt is acceptable either). Last thing I'd want them to do is hurt Cary once they realise he's just as capable of operating the kibble box as I am. Yowie shrug Different interpretations, I guess. If you're replying to my post, I wouldn't call it "phyiscally injurious" in any way, shape or form. I never had even a mark on my leg. The key word is "intent". He didn't intend to "phyiscally injure" me. If he wanted to, believe me, he could have. The most I'd do is scold him and rake his paw off my leg with my hand. Same with love bites, or kneading? There's a little discomfort there for the owner, but no injury, and no intent to harm. Would you punish them for that too? I've had cats for 40 years at least, and have *never* gotten rid of one because he was too aggressive. I know where the line is between a cat asking for a pet, and a cat who's aggressively trying to hurt me. Sherry |
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Sherry typed: On Dec 12, 10:34 pm, "Yowie" wrote: Not wanting to enter (or start!) a flamefest, but I would not let my cats attract attention in physically injurous ways either. Meowing loudly and getting in my face are annoying enough, I am *not* going to let them think thats its in any way OK to hurt me or mine on purpose (and fairs fair, if one of the two-foots hurts either of them accidently we get a swift bite or nasty scratch for our trouble to let them know that they dont' think being hurt is acceptable either). Last thing I'd want them to do is hurt Cary once they realise he's just as capable of operating the kibble box as I am. Yowie shrug Different interpretations, I guess. If you're replying to my post, I wouldn't call it "phyiscally injurious" in any way, shape or form. Replying 'in general' into the thread. My reply above was not directed at you in particular. I never had even a mark on my leg. The key word is "intent". He didn't intend to "phyiscally injure" me. If he wanted to, believe me, he could have. I agree 100%. The most I'd do is scold him and rake his paw off my leg with my hand. Same with love bites, or kneading? There's a little discomfort there for the owner, but no injury, and no intent to harm. Would you punish them for that too? *Punish*, no, but if it was physically painful (rather than uncomfortable but tolerable) I'd not 'just put up with it'. I'd stop it immediately, by both physically moving kitty and/or body part so as they can no longer interact, and either hissing, spraying water, yelling or making some other loud sudden noise as deterrent. I'd also trim those nails good and proper. Kitty has to learn what degree of clawage the hoomin will tolerate, just as kitty first had to learn what degree of clawage mama and siblings would tolerate. I'll cop a scratch and/or bite without question if I have frightened or accidently hurt the cat because thats instinctive (like how I swear when I stub my toe) but in play, affection or attention seeking, serious clawage is Not Allowed[1] and is Firmly Discouraged[2]. I've had cats for 40 years at least, and have *never* gotten rid of one because he was too aggressive. I know where the line is between a cat asking for a pet, and a cat who's aggressively trying to hurt me. Oh, totally agreed. I've had one physically attack me without any provocation as I understood it (she was feral). I do realise that something must have set her off, but for the life of me I don't know what it was, and if it was that smaller thing, then the still-crawling-at-the-time Cary could have easily done that same small thing too and would not have been able to defend himself in any way from her blazing ferocity (it wasn't just one scratch, it was an *attack*, multiple deep scratches, multiple bites). I couldn't risk my boy, so she was rehomed. I still have a scar over an inch long on my thumb because of her. I often wonder what happened to her, and wish things turned otu differently (she was otherwise an affectionate and playful little thing) but in that instant, she lost all the trust and rapport I had with her, and I could no longer trust her to be in the same house with my baby boy. Just too risky. Yowie |
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Gandalf wrote:
On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 02:23:32 +0000, David Stevenson wrote: Nico looks at her. Then, slowly, deliberately, he sticks his claws in her bare lower leg. "Owww !!!!" Nico looks at her. Then, slowly, deliberately, he sticks his claws in her bare lower leg. "Owww !!!!" Nico looks at her. Then, slowly, deliberately, he sticks his claws in her bare lower leg. "Owww !!!!" Then she kicks out. Don't worry, she missed. Nico is quick. Is there some RATIONAL reason WHY you would let a cat, ANY cat, get away with this kind of crap? This is just COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE behavior. Letting a cat GET AWAY with this kind of behavior, even a SINGLE time, is INSANITY, pure and simple. No cat would EVER get away with that, in MY house. But then, I simply wouldn't HAVE a cat that would INTENTIONALLY INJURE ME. Shaking my head in disbelief What a very strange reaction! -- Adrian (Owned by Bagheera & Shadow) Cats leave pawprints on your heart http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk |
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"Adrian" wrote in message
om... Gandalf wrote: On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 02:23:32 +0000, David Stevenson wrote: Nico looks at her. Then, slowly, deliberately, he sticks his claws in her bare lower leg. "Owww !!!!" Nico looks at her. Then, slowly, deliberately, he sticks his claws in her bare lower leg. "Owww !!!!" Nico looks at her. Then, slowly, deliberately, he sticks his claws in her bare lower leg. "Owww !!!!" Then she kicks out. Don't worry, she missed. Nico is quick. Is there some RATIONAL reason WHY you would let a cat, ANY cat, get away with this kind of crap? This is just COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE behavior. Letting a cat GET AWAY with this kind of behavior, even a SINGLE time, is INSANITY, pure and simple. No cat would EVER get away with that, in MY house. But then, I simply wouldn't HAVE a cat that would INTENTIONALLY INJURE ME. Shaking my head in disbelief What a very strange reaction! ------ I agree!! My Blue Point Siamese, Maui, has the typical Siamese behavior. IOW, he can be a real snot. One of the things he does is swipe at me if I walk by him. Sometimes he snags whatever I'm wearing, and other times he'll get skin. I think it's funny!! He certainly doesn't get squirted w/water or hit!! He's being a CAT for gawd's sake!! In fact, I usually stop what I'm doing and give him scritches, b/c that's what he wants when he does it anyway!! "Hello, mommeeee, pet meeeeee"!!! ·.·´¨ ¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) Laurie ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- ((¸¸ ·.· *~*LiveLoveLaugh*~* All that I am or hope to be, I owe to my angel mother. ~Abraham Lincoln -- Adrian (Owned by Bagheera & Shadow) Cats leave pawprints on your heart http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk |
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Probably one of those knee jerk reactions. I can't believe anyone would let
that happen that many times and not react. Funny post in the first place knowing how reactions would, could be. Like Yowie said, that would be like letting a toddler bite you several times before reacting. "Adrian" wrote in message om... Gandalf wrote: On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 02:23:32 +0000, David Stevenson wrote: Nico looks at her. Then, slowly, deliberately, he sticks his claws in her bare lower leg. "Owww !!!!" Nico looks at her. Then, slowly, deliberately, he sticks his claws in her bare lower leg. "Owww !!!!" Nico looks at her. Then, slowly, deliberately, he sticks his claws in her bare lower leg. "Owww !!!!" Then she kicks out. Don't worry, she missed. Nico is quick. Is there some RATIONAL reason WHY you would let a cat, ANY cat, get away with this kind of crap? This is just COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE behavior. Letting a cat GET AWAY with this kind of behavior, even a SINGLE time, is INSANITY, pure and simple. No cat would EVER get away with that, in MY house. But then, I simply wouldn't HAVE a cat that would INTENTIONALLY INJURE ME. Shaking my head in disbelief What a very strange reaction! -- Adrian (Owned by Bagheera & Shadow) Cats leave pawprints on your heart http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk |
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No Yowie, that's not what I meant at all, and I've already apologized for
losing my patience. What I *feel* is that Gandalf has, and has expressed here quite often, unreasonable expectations of what a cat should be, without allowing that all cats are different. His "violent" reaction to what was, to me, a non-incident is what I think tipped my scales. What I *fear* is, because of that, Gandalf will decide that Lorelei is not what he wants or expects a cat to be and may either "get rid of her" or be take away from her any signs of his affection. Again, I apologize for losing my patience and I would really like to leave it at that. -- Hugs, CatNipped See all our masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped See the RPCA FAQ site, by Mark Edwards, at: http://www.professional-geek.com/rpcablog/ "Yowie" wrote in message ... In , CatNipped typed: ingold1234[at]yahoo[dot]com (Gandalf) wrote in message ... On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 02:23:32 +0000, David Stevenson wrote: Nico looks at her. Then, slowly, deliberately, he sticks his claws in her bare lower leg. "Owww !!!!" Nico looks at her. Then, slowly, deliberately, he sticks his claws in her bare lower leg. "Owww !!!!" Nico looks at her. Then, slowly, deliberately, he sticks his claws in her bare lower leg. "Owww !!!!" Then she kicks out. Don't worry, she missed. Nico is quick. Is there some RATIONAL reason WHY you would let a cat, ANY cat, get away with this kind of crap? This is just COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE behavior. Letting a cat GET AWAY with this kind of behavior, even a SINGLE time, is INSANITY, pure and simple. No cat would EVER get away with that, in MY house. But then, I simply wouldn't HAVE a cat that would INTENTIONALLY INJURE ME. Shaking my head in disbelief And just what would you do to a cat like that, Gandalf? shaking head in sorrow for poor Lorelei Lori, are you meaning to imply that Gandalf would or does abuse Lorelei? because that how what you've written above sounds like to me, and that seems out of character for you. Yowie |
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On 14/12/2010 2:10 AM, CatNipped wrote:
No Yowie, that's not what I meant at all, and I've already apologized for losing my patience. What I *feel* is that Gandalf has, and has expressed here quite often, unreasonable expectations of what a cat should be, without allowing that all cats are different. His "violent" reaction to what was, to me, a non-incident is what I think tipped my scales. What I *fear* is, because of that, Gandalf will decide that Lorelei is not what he wants or expects a cat to be and may either "get rid of her" or be take away from her any signs of his affection. Again, I apologize for losing my patience and I would really like to leave it at that. Well, I didn't think thats what you'd mean, but thats how it sounded, hence my query. Consider it left :-) Yowie |
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Thank you Yowie. I was feeling snappish and shot that off way too quickly,
but neither Gandalf nor the group deserved that. Mea culpa, the doctors told me to rest and take it easy, so I'm going to try to do just that. -- Hugs, CatNipped See all our masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped See the RPCA FAQ site, by Mark Edwards, at: http://www.professional-geek.com/rpcablog/ "Yowie" wrote in message ... On 14/12/2010 2:10 AM, CatNipped wrote: No Yowie, that's not what I meant at all, and I've already apologized for losing my patience. What I *feel* is that Gandalf has, and has expressed here quite often, unreasonable expectations of what a cat should be, without allowing that all cats are different. His "violent" reaction to what was, to me, a non-incident is what I think tipped my scales. What I *fear* is, because of that, Gandalf will decide that Lorelei is not what he wants or expects a cat to be and may either "get rid of her" or be take away from her any signs of his affection. Again, I apologize for losing my patience and I would really like to leave it at that. Well, I didn't think thats what you'd mean, but thats how it sounded, hence my query. Consider it left :-) Yowie |
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Yowie wrote
Not wanting to enter (or start!) a flamefest, but I would not let my cats attract attention in physically injurous ways either. Meowing loudly and getting in my face are annoying enough, I am *not* going to let them think thats its in any way OK to hurt me or mine on purpose (and fairs fair, if one of the two-foots hurts either of them accidently we get a swift bite or nasty scratch for our trouble to let them know that they dont' think being hurt is acceptable either). Last thing I'd want them to do is hurt Cary once they realise he's just as capable of operating the kibble box as I am. What you would do is your affair but when a person writes "This is just COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE behavior." about my wife I think that is the most disgusting despicable post I have ever read here. I think Gandalf's post was totally unacceptable and a disgrace. I think it a totally hurtful post, designed to cause offence, and i am very glad that one or two people have reacted to it. Horrible, absolutely horrible. I do not post very often these days and if Gandalf's reaction to my post is considered reasonable by you, Yowie, I may never post here again. -- David Stevenson Storypage: http://blakjak.org/sty_menu.htm Liverpool, England, UK Emails welcome Nico: SI Vp B 0.6 Y++ L-- W C+++ I+++ T+ A+ E++ H S+ V+ F- Q P+ B+ PA PL- SC+ Nemo: SI Vp B 0.6 Y++ L-- W C+++ I+++ T A+ E++ H S+ V+ F- Q P B+ PA PL- SC+ |
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for my part it was not unreasonable but probably as I said knee jerk
reaction to someone deliberately letting a cat claw them. If you don't like what someone posts, you don't have to stop, just put them in a kill file and post away. To each his own. "David Stevenson" wrote in message ... Yowie wrote Not wanting to enter (or start!) a flamefest, but I would not let my cats attract attention in physically injurous ways either. Meowing loudly and getting in my face are annoying enough, I am *not* going to let them think thats its in any way OK to hurt me or mine on purpose (and fairs fair, if one of the two-foots hurts either of them accidently we get a swift bite or nasty scratch for our trouble to let them know that they dont' think being hurt is acceptable either). Last thing I'd want them to do is hurt Cary once they realise he's just as capable of operating the kibble box as I am. What you would do is your affair but when a person writes "This is just COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE behavior." about my wife I think that is the most disgusting despicable post I have ever read here. I think Gandalf's post was totally unacceptable and a disgrace. I think it a totally hurtful post, designed to cause offence, and i am very glad that one or two people have reacted to it. Horrible, absolutely horrible. I do not post very often these days and if Gandalf's reaction to my post is considered reasonable by you, Yowie, I may never post here again. -- David Stevenson Storypage: http://blakjak.org/sty_menu.htm Liverpool, England, UK Emails welcome Nico: SI Vp B 0.6 Y++ L-- W C+++ I+++ T+ A+ E++ H S+ V+ F- Q P+ B+ PA PL- SC+ Nemo: SI Vp B 0.6 Y++ L-- W C+++ I+++ T A+ E++ H S+ V+ F- Q P B+ PA PL- SC+ |
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