Disturbing News

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Granby wrote:

I am going to say what I am thinking about this.

Maybe, just maybe he has started to "move on" with his life. Some people
can't be alone and find someone right away after their spouse dies. I know
some of you don't want to think this but, it would explain about the cats.
A new person may not like them.

Why would someone put cats outside *just in case* he happened to meet
someone who didn't like cats? Is there some rule that says that single
men with cats can't get a date? I would consider such a person *more*
attractive, myself. (And who says he's dating anyway?) This is all
speculation.



U am wondering if anyone has taken the time to phone him and ask him
about all this? Surely someone who has met him and knew them would be
justified doing so. MLB

Kyla, I would dash over there in a heart beat and scoop up those kitties!

I know you would. Bless your heart,

But, there are three issues here at my house that have to be taken care of
first. One is that we live in the city limits where there is limit of
three cats per household, we have four at this time.

Same with us, we have 4 and if the manager, who is a total snot found out,
we'd be evicted, or I'd have to get rid of one of mine, which I refuse to
do.

Ordinarily that wouldn't
bother me but we have a neighbor who has aggressive pit bulls. When they
get out either myself or another neighbor calls Animal Control. She
always thinks it's me who calls and requests that the officer checks out
our cats tags for being up to date which she can legally do. I would have
to give up three cats if I had six.

That evil woman :/ I hate pit bulls. They are very agressive and what
would it take for her dogs to get taken away? Harming someone? People who
usually have aggressive animals are usually involved in dealing drugs or
something like that.
They can do such horrid things to people, animals, etc. and yet they get
out :/ I'm glad the neighbors call Animal Control about the dogs. Enough
of those calls should rid her of the menacing beasts, but you'd have your
cats to consider. .
We only have 1 of our kitties licensed. Pookie. It's $20 per license, and
we can't afford it 3 more, and we'd get found out as well. They are all
indoor kitties.
*sigh* What a mess.


One of the orange cats, weighing in at 14 pounds, is aggressive with
Victor Velcro. I think it is an alpha cat thing, but I'm concerned about
him or his brother hurting/accepting the two new cats.

I certainly wouldn't want that to happen. And I don't blame you for your
concern.

David has to agree to being a six cat family. I've not been able to reach
him yet. Maybe tonight or tomorrow.

I 'm thinking maybe someone in your church might like to adopt them. The
boy cat, Tyrone, Daved keeps indoors, and probably will put him Out as
well, because Tyrone is probably missing his sisters and might pee on
Daved's pillow or something for being mad at him. But then, I don't know
the kitties personalities.
I think Miss Pua is declawed.

I'll let you know as soon as I know how this works out. If you all can
find a way to have the cats removed from Alan's non-care in the meantime
and things work out here I can get them later.

From here, I don't know how to do that. And I wouldn't want you to have to
worry about having 6 cats. And The orange kitty of yours might throw a
hissy fit as well.
That's why I asked about someone you might know who would like to have
them. Just a thought. I'm praying hard for these innocent critters.
I don't know Daved and he might hurt them somehow. Jill is doing a great
job of communicating with him and she's been going through a rash of stuff
herself, and this has everyone apalled, We all want the kitties to be safe
and happy. .
Thank you so much for writing.
God bless you and thank you again.
Wth all of us working together, we'll get these kitties safe.

Charleen

Kyla


"Kyla =^..^="
As I understand it, Christy's parents live in Washington State?
She mentioned in a post that her dad lived on the top of Queen Ann Hill,
in Seattle.
That's where I live, but about 15 miles South..
I kept up with her Caring Bridge site, which is still active,
From what I understand, her mom and sister went to see her briefly, saw
those 'smiling' pictures. but they didn't care about her?
Maybe that's why she married Alan...IDK.
Who on this Earth could not care about Christy, one of the sweetest
people?
I went back to the site and read what people had to say to/about her,
and she was so loved, by people from many countries in her Guestbook..
When she got sick and put things in the Caring Bridge site,.
Alan seems to be 'so sweet' then , but I wonder if that was all an act
too!!.
How long were they married?
I found a link of her and Alan's wedding and reception in Seattle,
somewhere, but I can't find it.
On one picture, she had her head on Alan's chest and it looked like she
was crying.
She passed away after Christmas.
Then he goes and throws the girl kitties out after 4 months?
WTF is wrong with him?
Like I said before, I wrote to Charleen and asked her if she knew anyone
who would adopt the kitties or take them to a shelter. Someone, a very
good e-mail friend, sent me some pictures of Miss Pua, before and after.I
saw how Christy helped her back to health, I just went back into the
bedroom and had a weep.
Jill, you did the right thing, you tried to help, and if you talk to this
cretin again, please ask him to at least give the neighbors some food to
make sure they don't starve, and some scritches to let them know they
were loved.
IMO, he doesn't deserve to have ANY of her cats.
He might let the other one out too, if he gets on his nerves. Who knows?.
She sure didn't look 40 years young and went through hell and
now Alan does 'this'.
What an unfeeling @$$hole.
I miss Christy and I am so angry at Alan :/
Kyla
--mad and sad

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wrote:
On Apr 19, 8:07 am, "jmcquown" wrote:
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girls are outside. He claims they were more "destructive".

I'm crying for Chloe and Miss Pua. They;ve probably been through a
lot anyway when Kili was in hospital they would have probably been
submitted to varous family members coming in to feed them and little
more. I know when Dave was first in hospital I neglected the cats- I
didn't chuck them out, they had food, water and clean litter but for
about the first week or so I had so much to do that they were lucky to
get an occasional skritchie. In the end even through I was tired I
quite deliberately made time to play with them, brush them, talk to
them but even so I was going out in the morning, leaving them alone
all day (Whereas normally they'd have Dave for company) etc and I felt
bad about it.

But Kili's cats have had it worse- at least the girls knew me but who
knows when those poor cats were getting fed and who by, I can't say I
blame him for being with Kili but the change of routine must have
upset them..

And then Kili didn't come home...I remember Kili calling Miss Pua her
little shadow. Cats pick up on atmosphere and it can't have been a
happy one and when cats are unhappy they can get "destructive" it's
not malice it's their way of expressing unhappiness so what does he
do?

Chucks them outside...it breaks my heart to think of them hoping Kili
will come back and things will be happy and good for them again if I
was over there since he plainly doesn't seem to want them around I'd
ask to take them- okay it's another disruption and they'd have to muck
in with my two and they'd probably express their unhappiness by being
"destructive" but at least they'd be indoors Poor Miss Pua was a stray
wasn't she? She must be wondering what she did wrong having been put
back pretty much where she started from

If Alan doesn't want them perhaps someone here could offer them a home
I am pretty sure if Kili knew he was going to do this she would have
made other arrangements for them

I just can't believe someone could that to the cats Kili loved so much

And Jill don't be hard on yourself- if they need vet attention the
fact there's some money to cover it may be the only way they get it!

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs

This just makes me sick :-( There are a few things I would like to do
to this guy, but I'll keep that to myself. Katie just jumped up to give
her opinion, which is the same as the rest of us.

Could some folks here offer to adopt the kitties? That's the only thing
I can see that would be a happy ending.

Damn him, anyway.

Ginger-lyn

On Apr 20, 7:53*pm, MLB wrote:
wrote:
Granby wrote:

* I am going to say what I am thinking about this.

* Maybe, just maybe he has started to "move on" with his life. *Some people
* can't be alone and find someone right away after their spouse dies.. *I know
* some of you don't want to think this but, it would explain about the cats.
* A new person may not like them.

Why would someone put cats outside *just in case* he happened to meet
someone who didn't like cats? Is there some rule that says that single
men with cats can't get a date? I would consider such a person *more*
attractive, myself. (And who says he's dating anyway?) This is all
speculation.

U am wondering if anyone has taken the time to phone him and ask him
about all this? *Surely someone who has met him and knew them would be
justified doing so. * MLB

No one is going to take the time to go after the facts in this story.
A thread that started about Hell's Kitchen got out of control and
Christi's real cause of death was mentioned. Some of those ppl who
had idolized Christi took exception to her being called an alchoholic
and her cause of death liver degeneration secodary to alcoholism. I
suspect Alan is just pulling the chains of those people who are upset
by him letting his animals run loose. These are the same individuals
that are upset because he approves of gun-ownership with the result of
shooting animals for foodl and cutting them up and eating them with a
nice bottle of wine. Jill, grow up. It is none of your business what
Alan is doing with the cats. They are his cats now. Christi made her
decision to leave the cats for him. She chose how she would die - she
drank herself to death. You can't have it both ways. You can't kill
yourself and expect those you leave behind to follow your exact words
for ever and ever. You don't really know that Alan isn't allowing the
females into the house at night. You aren't there you don't know. As
far as Cristy being estranged from her family, she is very much loved
by her family. She and her sister had some issues but she and her
mother and her aunt and a cousin had regular conversations over the
years. They even admit to her failed marriages and her alcoholism.
Her entire family can't be wrong can they? I've known Alan probably
longer than you knew Christi. I attended their wedding virtually and
raised a glass in their direction. I am more committed to the BBQ
crowd than I am the cat community. I love my cats but have learned
that 75% of cat owners on newsgroups are fanatics and I don't do
fanatics. The other 25% are my friends I really resent everyone
jumping onto Jill's little red wagon without looking for themselves
into the alligations. Jill has a cross to bear against Alan. He
doesn't worship her like she feels she should be worshiped. I learned
very early on that I wasn't allowed to be Christi's friend because she
was Jill's friend and Jill couldn't let her have two friends. No
problem, I'd stay friends through other BBQ groups. Best advice I can
give to you is DO NOT TRUST JILL. DO NOT LET JILL LEAD YOU DOWN THE
PATH OF LIES AND HATE. Think for yourself, research for yourself,
form your own opinion. Alan is exactly what he has always presented
to be....a man who loved his wife, stuck by her as she was dying and
is now caring for his animals in the way that he wants to deal with
them. Remember, Christy is dead. She doesn't get a say in how they
are raised and neither do any of you!!!

Jumping off my soap box now,
Julie

On Apr 20, 4:53*pm, "Yowie" wrote:
Having watched the two youtube videos,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFURD...?v=6QCHIZQmiOY

all *I* see is two cats who seem to be enjoying the outside, and male voice
that seems to hold them in some affection.

Since when was it a crime to let cats outside? When was calling a cat
'Retard' considered abuse?

I know that two youtube videos is hardly the 'whole story' but there is
nothing in those videos to suggest that the owner of those cats is in any
way abusing or neglecting them. They look like healthy happy cats that have
a good relationship with the person behind the camera to me.

If folks have any concrete evidence that Alan is abusing and/or neglecting
the cats, then it needs to be reported to the authorities, not posted about
here. Despite personal opinions of him and his character, posting to a
public newsgroup implying he is an animal abuser is innapropriate at best
and libellious at worst.

Yowie

There are a lot of facts missing. At first I thought "Alan turned the
cats out" meant, they were kicked out to fend for themselves. Doesn't
seem the case from the video. Also, do we know he *never* lets them
inside? Are they still fed/watered/vetted? Are they hanging on the
screens and yowling to get back in and being refused? See, nobody
really knows the answers to this stuff except Alan. I am also
assuming the climate there is mild...it may not be what most of us
would do, but it is not animal abuse.
What I *do* know is that sending them to a shelter is a far worse
thing. Just read shelter statistics since the economy has spiraled.
They'd be miserable, exposed to disease, or caged, and likely never
adopted.

Sherry

GaDragonfly wrote:
On Apr 20, 7:53 pm, MLB wrote:
wrote:
Granby wrote:
I am going to say what I am thinking about this.
Maybe, just maybe he has started to "move on" with his life. Some people
can't be alone and find someone right away after their spouse dies. I know
some of you don't want to think this but, it would explain about the cats.
A new person may not like them.
Why would someone put cats outside *just in case* he happened to meet
someone who didn't like cats? Is there some rule that says that single
men with cats can't get a date? I would consider such a person *more*
attractive, myself. (And who says he's dating anyway?) This is all
speculation.
U am wondering if anyone has taken the time to phone him and ask him
about all this? Surely someone who has met him and knew them would be
justified doing so. MLB

No one is going to take the time to go after the facts in this story.
A thread that started about Hell's Kitchen got out of control and
Christi's real cause of death was mentioned. Some of those ppl who
had idolized Christi took exception to her being called an alchoholic
and her cause of death liver degeneration secodary to alcoholism. I
suspect Alan is just pulling the chains of those people who are upset
by him letting his animals run loose. These are the same individuals
that are upset because he approves of gun-ownership with the result of
shooting animals for foodl and cutting them up and eating them with a
nice bottle of wine. Jill, grow up. It is none of your business what
Alan is doing with the cats. They are his cats now. Christi made her
decision to leave the cats for him. She chose how she would die - she
drank herself to death. You can't have it both ways. You can't kill
yourself and expect those you leave behind to follow your exact words
for ever and ever. You don't really know that Alan isn't allowing the
females into the house at night. You aren't there you don't know. As
far as Cristy being estranged from her family, she is very much loved
by her family. She and her sister had some issues but she and her
mother and her aunt and a cousin had regular conversations over the
years. They even admit to her failed marriages and her alcoholism.
Her entire family can't be wrong can they? I've known Alan probably
longer than you knew Christi. I attended their wedding virtually and
raised a glass in their direction. I am more committed to the BBQ
crowd than I am the cat community. I love my cats but have learned
that 75% of cat owners on newsgroups are fanatics and I don't do
fanatics. The other 25% are my friends I really resent everyone
jumping onto Jill's little red wagon without looking for themselves
into the alligations. Jill has a cross to bear against Alan. He
doesn't worship her like she feels she should be worshiped. I learned
very early on that I wasn't allowed to be Christi's friend because she
was Jill's friend and Jill couldn't let her have two friends. No
problem, I'd stay friends through other BBQ groups. Best advice I can
give to you is DO NOT TRUST JILL. DO NOT LET JILL LEAD YOU DOWN THE
PATH OF LIES AND HATE. Think for yourself, research for yourself,
form your own opinion. Alan is exactly what he has always presented
to be....a man who loved his wife, stuck by her as she was dying and
is now caring for his animals in the way that he wants to deal with
them. Remember, Christy is dead. She doesn't get a say in how they
are raised and neither do any of you!!!

Jumping off my soap box now,
Julie


Thanks for the "eye opener". MLB

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On Apr 20, 3:53 pm, "Yowie" wrote:
Having watched the two youtube videos,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFURD...?v=6QCHIZQmiOY

all *I* see is two cats who seem to be enjoying the outside, and
male voice that seems to hold them in some affection.

Since when was it a crime to let cats outside? When was calling a cat
'Retard' considered abuse?

I know that two youtube videos is hardly the 'whole story' but there
is nothing in those videos to suggest that the owner of those cats
is in any way abusing or neglecting them. They look like healthy
happy cats that have a good relationship with the person behind the
camera to me.

If folks have any concrete evidence that Alan is abusing and/or
neglecting the cats, then it needs to be reported to the
authorities, not posted about here. Despite personal opinions of him
and his character, posting to a public newsgroup implying he is an
animal abuser is innapropriate at best and libellious at worst.

Yowie

Take a good close look at the ears of the cat in the second vid. I
personally
don't care if he calls them "Brit" "Lindsay" "Amy" or even "Fidel".Is
it
a faux pas to wonder WTH is wrong with those ears in the closeups?

Wonder away, its entirely your right to do so.

Now that you point it out, the ears look odd to me too, but then again, I
don't know the cat in question. They may be perfectly normal for that cat,
who knows? Even if they aren't normal for that cat, I am not qualified to
diagnose cause (because I can't even diagnose the symptom) from one or two
youtube videos. There are raft of reasons why that cats ears look the way
they do in the video, how on earth can anyone conclude 'abuse' or 'neglect'
when the video is so poor as to not see clearly what it is that makes them
look 'odd'.

He may not be caring for the cats as Kili wanted him to, or we would want
him to. Thats not nice, but its not *abuse* or *neglect*. Accusing him of
such is libel, and it strikes me that such accusations and implications are
more based on personal feelings for the man than actual evidence of abuse
and/or neglect.

Yowie
--
If you're paddling upstream in a canoe and a wheel falls off, how many
pancakes can you fit in a doghouse? None, icecream doesn't have bones.

wrote:

Wow. I think this is the angriest I've ever seen you get, Marina. I have
the feeling it takes a lot to get you this mad.

Maybe I've overreacted, but I keep getting the image of Miss Pua as she
was when Kili took her in - emaciated beyond belief. And how she bloomed
in Kili's care. She survived a severe case of ringworm, and so should be
immune to it for the rest of her life, but I understand there are other
diseases that cats can catch if outside in Florida. Maybe I'm wrong.

Kili also wrote sometimes about their disruptive and abusive
neighbours/neighbourhood. I just have the feeling that it's not a good
place for cats to be kept outside, but I don't have any facts to go on
other than what Kili wrote. I hope I'm wrong.

--
Marina, Miranda and Caliban.
In loving memory of Frank and Nikki.

"Yowie" wrote in news:7553jaF142bcvU1
@mid.individual.net:

If you're paddling upstream in a canoe and a wheel falls off, how many
pancakes can you fit in a doghouse? None, icecream doesn't have bones.

LOL! I think that's how most people view math word problems.

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On Apr 19, 12:56 pm, "jmcquown" wrote:


Miss Pua was that poor scrawny little Siamese cat with a *bad* case of
ringworm.
I remember she is a flame point isn't she? I rememeber Kili getting
her over ringworm

It just makes me sad. And angry. I feel bad for the cats.


I just wish I was nearer I'd take them and needs be find them good
homes or we;d have to get used to being crowded at least they'd be
inside and well fed to me it sounds like he's hoping they'll go away


Not the case at all. When I first let them out, all I did was open the
door. They went out and explored the yard. When they wanted back in , I
let them in.
Each day they stayed out longer. Now they stay outside, in the yard, with
plentiful food and fresh water.

Jill is blowing this way out of proportion as usual.

I attempted to re home them twice. I had one offer but the person wanted me
to drive them 40 miles so she could meet them. I explained that they
weren't used to travelling and they would be quite upset when they got
there. If she wanted to meet them, she could meet them here where she could
see their real personalities.

They are happy, healthy and well fed in their current situation.

When Kili and I went to the get together in Kissimee, the cats that lived
there were outside the entire time. Are they evil for letting them out too?

You people should try minding your own business. It's much less stressful.

--
Aloha Nui Loa,
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